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Prices rise, patience thins in sanctions-hit Iran

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#22
Feb 8, 2012
 
Kenhunt wrote:
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Liar. DU is not a radiological weapon at all. DU emits less radiation than naturally found uranium. The World Health Organization of the UN states, "that no risk of reproductive, developmental, or carcinogenic effects have been reported in humans due to DU exposure." But of course you knew that too, so your first point, a deliberate lie, is bullshit. Calling out Cambodia is a bit of bullshit, since their leaders killed their own by the thousands, and like the NVA and VC planted antipersonnel bombs in countless numbers. And if you are speaking in defense of Iran, you must be wearing blinders not to mention the environmental conditions there. You want to be an apologist for the despotic dictators of Iran, do a better job.
DU weapons are radioactive. They give off ionizing radiation. Breathe in DU dust from a strike, and you will have a little fountain of alpha particles, slicing and dicing the DNA in your soft tissues like a mini-daisy cutter. DU also introduce a chemically toxic heavy metal into war zones, where it persists in the water and food chain forever.

Cancer rates and birth defects have spiked in urban war zones from Iraq to Bosnia to Afghanistan. The U.N. is a political organization, subject to political pressures from funding sources (i.e., the U.S.). The spikes in cancers and birth defects are undeniable.

The fact that American bombs are still killing people in Southeast Asia is undeniable. It is the continuing legacy of what was already criminal foreign policy.
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Feb 8, 2012
 
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I do not know what news you recieve, but Iran's main Imam made nuke threats against Israel and the USA and Europe again just YESTERDAY!! He even went on to say he wants to bring on war to bring on the arrival of the MAHDI!! That is sanity and peace talk to you?????? If it is, then you need to go check yourself in to the mental hospital...Iran is the only goverment right now that is threatening Nuke war on everyone.
No he didn't, learn how to read...IF ATTACKED blah, blah blah..

An no one EVER said wipe Israel off the map...look up the translation..they called for regime change...another thing we do all the time so there must not be anything wrong with that.

But feel free to post some sources..here are mine:

http://original.antiwar.com/buchanan/2012/02/...

http://buchanan.org/blog/make-congress-vote-o...

http://original.antiwar.com/buchanan/2012/01/...

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Feb 8, 2012
 

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Squeeze harder, keep squeezing until they pop like the zit they are. More sanctions, more sanctions, more sanctions!

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Feb 8, 2012
 
Bill wrote:
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DU weapons are radioactive. They give off ionizing radiation. Breathe in DU dust from a strike, and you will have a little fountain of alpha particles, slicing and dicing the DNA in your soft tissues like a mini-daisy cutter. DU also introduce a chemically toxic heavy metal into war zones, where it persists in the water and food chain forever.
Cancer rates and birth defects have spiked in urban war zones from Iraq to Bosnia to Afghanistan. The U.N. is a political organization, subject to political pressures from funding sources (i.e., the U.S.). The spikes in cancers and birth defects are undeniable.
The fact that American bombs are still killing people in Southeast Asia is undeniable. It is the continuing legacy of what was already criminal foreign policy.
At extreme temperatures, DU gives off Alpha particles which have to be ingested or inhaled in rather large quantities to do harm; DU does not emit radiation in the sense of a nuclear device. DU is less radio active than uranium found in the soil. If you want to know what drives up cancer rates in places like Bosnia, look to the environmental devastation left by the Soviets! DU is not used in bombs, but it is used in tank rounds, not as an explosive but as a long rod penetrator, and in the A-10s guns. No US tanks have deployed to Afghanistan using DU (as far as I know, no tanks were used there), as there were no tanks to engage there, and the A-10 was rarely used. So guess who dirtied up Afghanistan's environment, your old pals, the Soviets/Russia. Look anywhere on this globe where Russia has been and you will find outrageous environmental messes. Don't try to pass that crap off on the USA by spouting incorrect depictions of DU.

As for unexploded ordnance, it can be found all over this globe, left over from any number of terrible wars dating back to the first World War and earlier. Yes, US ordnance is part of that. But so is ordnance from the Soviets, Germans, French, Chinese, Japanese, and other countries.

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Feb 8, 2012
 
For anyone interested, here is a pretty good discussion of DU that slam-dunks ol' cowboy Bill down there in Austin: http://www.scaruffi.com/politics/du.html
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At extreme temperatures, DU gives off Alpha particles which have to be ingested or inhaled in rather large quantities to do harm;
False. Depleted uranium emits alpha particles as part of its decay process ALL THE TIME. Temperatures don't have to be extreme. Uranium will ignite on impact with a hard target (it is "pyrophoric"), and the resulting radioactive ash and dust is the most dangerous because it can be inhaled and ingested, where it lodges in soft tissue. Human skin is a pretty good shield against relatively large, slow alpha radiation. Lung tissue, etc., is not. It only takes one well-placed alpha particle to break up DNA. If you have a grain of constant alpha particle emitters lodged in your lung tissue, the tissue will continue to be bombarded until all the uranium has decayed into daughter products... which in this case also give off ionizing radiation...
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DU does not emit radiation in the sense of a nuclear device.
... which is why I used the term "radiological." But like any "weapon of mass destruction," DU is indiscriminate. It affects combatants ON BOTH SIDES (see Gulf War Syndrome among U.S. troops) as well as civilians as well as fauna in general.
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DU is less radio active than uranium found in the soil.
Depleted uranium (U238) is nearly identical to what is found naturally (mostly U238 with a very small amount of U235), EXCEPT that DU is often contaminated with extremely radioactive trace elements like plutonium that do not exist naturally. Also, it is unlikely that you will EVER find concentrations of uranium naturally to match the concentrations of DU in a war zone.

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If you want to know what drives up cancer rates in places like Bosnia, look to the environmental devastation left by the Soviets!
You could also test urine and tissue samples from affected people to find elevated levels of uranium... and compare these levels to people in other former Soviet-sphere nations that haven't been exposed to DU. You could also look at elevated rates of birth defects, spontaneous miscarriages, cancers, and other epidemiological data....

Kenhunt wrote:
DU is not used in bombs, but it is used in tank rounds, not as an explosive but as a long rod penetrator, and in the A-10s guns. No US tanks have deployed to Afghanistan using DU (as far as I know, no tanks were used there), as there were no tanks to engage there, and the A-10 was rarely used. So guess who dirtied up Afghanistan's environment, your old pals, the Soviets/Russia.
Apaches and Bradley vehicles also use DU munitions. Researchers in Afghanistan have found uranium in urine samples that are between 300% to 2000% above normal levels. These correlate with spikes in various cancers, birth defects, etc.

Contamination is much more serious in Iraq, and the rate of illness/death from exposure to DU is considerably higher there.

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As for unexploded ordnance, it can be found all over this globe, left over from any number of terrible wars dating back to the first World War and earlier. Yes, US ordnance is part of that. But so is ordnance from the Soviets, Germans, French, Chinese, Japanese, and other countries.
Yes, but it was the U.S. that has made the MOST use by far of cluster bombs, and a significant percentage of bomblets do not explode on impact, effectively creating minefields that are indiscriminately lethal for decades. In Laos, the U.S. dropped more ordnance on this tiny country than was dropped in all of World War II. The London Guardian reported that Laos was hit by an average of one B-52 bombload every eight minutes, 24 hours a day, between 1964 and 1973.

(Recall that Laos was a 'secret war', relatively unknown to the American people at the time... or even now).

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False.
I guess folks can believe you or the World Health Organization, Bill.

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Feb 8, 2012
 
Bill, about DU, which has been used by many nations, here is a quote from a study : "...the debate about DU’s environmental and health impacts persists, at least in part because the positions of both extremes dominating the debate are dictated more by politics and ideology than by science and common sense."

I see that as your motives, politics and ideology, not science. Mine too. But here is a very interesting paper giving quotes that support your view, my view, and the WHO view: http://www.wise-uranium.org/diss.html

I think if you look at war, by far the most deadly weapon is the ordinary rifle bullet for its direct effects, bullet holes in humans many of whom were noncombatants. Residual downstream adverse effects just from the volume of lead from bullets in the soil and water from a hundred years of war are at least as bad as whatever you come up with. War is hell, a disgrace to the human race. But to claim it is the purview of one nation is absurd.
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#30
Feb 8, 2012
 
Hey bill? You know whats so great. That you can trash this country in your remarks and your free to do so. The other country your defending, or looks as you would love to live in, would not give their people that right.
thrall

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#31
Feb 8, 2012
 
F***ing Americans!!!! I love all the people of the world and wish for peace. Also trade, sharing and love for you all. They think we are weak, because we have rights and yes many of us don't know what it's like to thrall. You can go down in a burning flame of fire because of your pride. I got to be tough, hard and what does that bring you??? Believe what you hear or go learn for yourself. I would like to visit your land, people and culture. I would like to know you as my brothers and sisters.

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