Sikhs Can Carry Knives on Airplanes in India.

Pat wrote:

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Sunny: this amounts to selective discrimination. Why would I not be allowed to carry a weapon an amritdhari is allowed to?
If a new religion is formed today that talks about carrying some other weapon then will you allow that? I do not think so. I am sure sikhs and the their religious leaders can figure out a way to handle this situation where Amritdharis can travel without a weapon. I am sure when these traditions were made the concept of planes was not in question and not considered. So a progressive community like sikhs can find morepractical ways to implement these modifications to fit in the definitions / requirements of the changing times.

Yes, but you don't have a need to carry a Kirpan, whereas an Amritdhari does, as it is one of the 5Ks.
It can be as practical as modern life - it does not get in the way. As I said before, airport scanners can continue to function, but just making an exception for an Amritdhari.

Sunny Singh wrote:

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Yes, but you don't have a need to carry a Kirpan, whereas an Amritdhari does, as it is one of the 5Ks.
It can be as practical as modern life - it does not get in the way. As I said before, airport scanners can continue to function, but just making an exception for an Amritdhari.

I understand what you are saying but do not agree with your approach.

Let's run a scenario:
A Hindu Kshatriya is supposed to carry weapons all the time (they do not do it now since time has changed). A hardliner sect can start believing and enforcing this rule. So will we allow hindu Kshatriyas to carry a weapon of choice in the plance?

Harinder wrote:

Pat this is Kirpan is not a weapon like u are trying to suggest.
The "KIRPANS" of SIKHS have saved differnt people of human race at diferent point of timeas i wrote before
1) Hindus from Mughals
2) Chrisitans from NAZIS
3) Muslims from fantics.
It is "GODS" desire that we protect all his creations including you too dear "PAT"

Harinder: You do understand that generally sikhs as a community have done good deeds with Kirpan but it still is a weapon and can hurt anyone and can be used as an offensive tool.

Sunny Singh wrote:

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Yes, but you don't have a need to carry a Kirpan, whereas an Amritdhari does, as it is one of the 5Ks.
It can be as practical as modern life - it does not get in the way. As I said before, airport scanners can continue to function, but just making an exception for an Amritdhari.

I am serious: If they allow amritdharis to carry kirpan then I will become one and carry a 30 inch blade on an airplane.

have always worn 14 inch kirpan sri sahib.

Even in intl flights

wahegurus blessings

waheguru will never allow a singh to be separated from sri saheb even in the most trying circumstances

and yes the simple sight of my sri saheb rattles only one set of people....muslims

Pat wrote:

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Harinder: You do understand that generally sikhs as a community have done good deeds with Kirpan but it still is a weapon and can hurt anyone and can be used as an offensive tool.

It is not a Weapon dear friend.
It is the protection of "GOD" over all his creations.
Taking away Kirpans form SIKHS will deprive Man kind from a "DIVINE PROTECTION" of "GOD"

Pat wrote:

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I understand what you are saying but do not agree with your approach.
Let's run a scenario:
A Hindu Kshatriya is supposed to carry weapons all the time (they do not do it now since time has changed). A hardliner sect can start believing and enforcing this rule. So will we allow hindu Kshatriyas to carry a weapon of choice in the plance?

Yes, but Kshatriyas no longer are required to carry one, because as you say, times have changed.
Sikhs, well Amritdharis anyway, are required to carry the 5Ks.

Chodu wrote:

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I am serious: If they allow amritdharis to carry kirpan then I will become one and carry a 30 inch blade on an airplane.

No you won't, because you won't be a true Amritdhari. If you become one just so you can carry a "30 inch blade on an airplane" then you obviously won't be a true Sikh and will therefore not be allowed by the community to become Amritdhari, because they will see you as not ready.

Sunny Singh wrote:

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Yes, but Kshatriyas no longer are required to carry one, because as you say, times have changed.
Sikhs, well Amritdharis anyway, are required to carry the 5Ks.

Hindu religion is know for so many sects and multiple thought processes. If a new sect starts that mandates that its followers carry weapons then they will demand the same rights.

This idea will not fly.

harminder wrote:

have always worn 14 inch kirpan sri sahib.
Even in intl flights
wahegurus blessings
waheguru will never allow a singh to be separated from sri saheb even in the most trying circumstances
and yes the simple sight of my sri saheb rattles only one set of people....muslims

If that is true then you are lucky. At least in US these guys would catch you and put you in lock-up for this.

Harinder wrote:

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It is not a Weapon dear friend.
It is the protection of "GOD" over all his creations.
Taking away Kirpans form SIKHS will deprive Man kind from a "DIVINE PROTECTION" of "GOD"

Harinder: No offence, but let’s be practical and not use profound words that do not make sense.

Sikhs donot carry weapons on flights in US, Canada, UK or any other country that I know of. It has not changed their faith. This is called changing with time. And it is a good thing.

See mullas have not changed and what has happened to them from a world power to a bunch of terroist. Did not take too long.

Pat wrote:

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If that is true then you are lucky. At least in US these guys would catch you and put you in lock-up for this.

yep lucky, divine intervention

once at o hare , the security men (three of them)let me pass even after all of them saw clearly what i was wearing

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I saw a Sikh carrying a knife today in a sheath over his shoulder how is this allowed?

Ruling class has its privileges, definite issue elsewhere and around courtrooms...

shhh

Kirpaan means 'hands of mercy'
its a symbol of strength and self-respect and it is to be used in defence of ones faith and to protect the poor and needy...this would be the only reason a sikh would use a kirpaan
people are just assuming that a sikh would use it 4 the wrong reason yet every sikh knows theres no danger around a sikh wearing a kirpaan
Guru Gobind Singh Ji and his Panj Piyare wore it so it must be worn by an amritdhari at all times

But wats the need of a kripan on airport and planes where there is enuf security? Kirpan had a purpose 300 yrs ago. It isnt just a piece of metal.
If guru gobind singh is watching from above i m sure he is ashamed tht he cudnt convey the proper message cuz u sikhs behave like zombies when it comes to 5 Ks and can never understand the rationale behind.