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Waiting for the liberal left to weigh in on this one....

buyerbeware wrote:

Waiting for the liberal left to weigh in on this one....

Raises hand.

I'm for everything except exemption for parents tracking their kids. I think it's a good idea from a safety standpoint, but only if they get their kids OK.

I would think nearly all liberals would be against unwarranted spying on them.

"spying on them" meaning spying on liberals (not necessarily their kids, because I'm sure some liberals would disagree with me).

heh wrote:

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Raises hand.
I'm for everything except exemption for parents tracking their kids. I think it's a good idea from a safety standpoint, but only if they get their kids OK.
I would think nearly all liberals would be against unwarranted spying on them.

Wait...do you mean you are against parents being able to track their kids? I'm all for that. This bill seems fine to this Liberal.

heh wrote:

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Raises hand.
I'm for everything except exemption for parents tracking their kids. I think it's a good idea from a safety standpoint, but only if they get their kids OK.
I would think nearly all liberals would be against unwarranted spying on them.

So what constitutes "unwarranted"?

So you all are fine with the government and cellphone companies tracking you via your cell phone and Onstar, but won't let a private eye track you? Your mobile phone provider tracks you and has no suspicion, yet a spouse who is suspicious can't?

buyerbeware wrote:

<quoted text>So what constitutes "unwarranted"?

I was thinking about law enforcement officials tracking you with GPS without obtaining a warrant.

I can disable OnStar.

Rental cars are OK, because I do not own them and am driving them under a contract.

I am against cell phone companies tracking me with no way to opt-out.

Also, I don't think it's right for parents to track their kids. If it's by mutual agreement, or a case where a parent has a safety issue, then OK.

A good think for representatives to track incapacitated adults.

heh wrote:

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I was thinking about law enforcement officials tracking you with GPS without obtaining a warrant.
I can disable OnStar.
Rental cars are OK, because I do not own them and am driving them under a contract.
I am against cell phone companies tracking me with no way to opt-out.
Also, I don't think it's right for parents to track their kids. If it's by mutual agreement, or a case where a parent has a safety issue, then OK.
A good think for representatives to track incapacitated adults.

When kids turn 18 and out of the house then they are free from parent's control. Until then, parents have full control and can monitor bathroom breaks if they want to.

speaks to the heart of liberal vs conservative

buyerbeware wrote:

<quoted text>So what constitutes "unwarranted"?

You don't know what a warrant is?

heh wrote:

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Also, I don't think it's right for parents to track their kids. If it's by mutual agreement, or a case where a parent has a safety issue, then OK.

Two questions:

why?

and do you think it's not right or shouldn't be a right?

If for any reason one believes they maybe tracked there are a number of devices that can jam cell phones and GPS signals. Its not expensive and readily available. My favorite are the WIFI jammers.

Dude wrote:

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You don't know what a warrant is?

heh and I figured it out, maybe you can too? I was referring to other than police (parents)

Dude wrote:

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Two questions: why? and do you think it's not right or shouldn't be a right?

Maybe it's how I was brought up and brought up my kids. We sort of got the hang of what's right and wrong mainly through osmosis. Once boundaries are defined, I think respect is more effective than being a nanny about it. If you raise them right, then just mere disapproval gets through to them more effectively than any punishment.
By tracking your kid (again, I wouldn't have a problem for reasons of safety), you're in effect telling them I don't trust you. If they don't have your respect, then their attitude may very well be the hell with it.

Would you want someone GPSing your without your approval?

http://s.dealextreme.com/search/gps+jammer

heh wrote:

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Maybe it's how I was brought up and brought up my kids. We sort of got the hang of what's right and wrong mainly through osmosis. Once boundaries are defined, I think respect is more effective than being a nanny about it. If you raise them right, then just mere disapproval gets through to them more effectively than any punishment.
By tracking your kid (again, I wouldn't have a problem for reasons of safety), you're in effect telling them I don't trust you. If they don't have your respect, then their attitude may very well be the hell with it.
Would you want someone GPSing your without your approval?
http://s.dealextreme.com/search/gps+jammer

We don't agree often, but you nailed it. Our kids will respect the boundaries IF they know what they are AND know that there are consequences.
BTW, I think we ARE being tracked through our cellphones, we just don't know it. I certainly didn't authorize it (maybe it was in the miniscule fine print on the contract)

heh wrote:

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Maybe it's how I was brought up and brought up my kids. We sort of got the hang of what's right and wrong mainly through osmosis. Once boundaries are defined, I think respect is more effective than being a nanny about it. If you raise them right, then just mere disapproval gets through to them more effectively than any punishment.
By tracking your kid (again, I wouldn't have a problem for reasons of safety), you're in effect telling them I don't trust you. If they don't have your respect, then their attitude may very well be the hell with it.
Would you want someone GPSing your without your approval?
http://s.dealextreme.com/search/gps+jammer

That's why I asked you if you thought if it wasn't "right" or if it "should be a right."

Certainly you can imagine situations where parents may distrust their kids, and if there has been a pattern of behavior that leads one to mistrust what your kids are doing and the element they're hanging out with is mistrustful.

I happen to agree with you, as well, but I also believe that often the parents can do all they can to arm their children with the right tools and the kids still fall into the wrong element.

So while it may not always be right, or be sending the kids the right message, it still is a right, because they're still under your supervision or guidance until the age of suffrage

buyerbeware wrote:

<quoted text>We don't agree often, but you nailed it. Our kids will respect the boundaries IF they know what they are AND know that there are consequences.
BTW, I think we ARE being tracked through our cellphones, we just don't know it. I certainly didn't authorize it (maybe it was in the miniscule fine print on the contract)

We are, and it's in your arbitration agreement.