Expert: We must act fast on warming

NobodyYouKnow wrote:

Posting crap from an unscientific blog doesn't SUPPORT anything you say. It just says that you prefer the right wing spin to the science.

Remember what I wrote?
"If you'd like more links that SUPPORT my claim, please ask.

NobodyYouKnow wrote:

Now if you had serious peer reviewed research.. but you never do.

It doesn't matter what is presented to you, you ignore it.
Links to peer reviewed papers have been posted here by others, but as a cult member, you're understandably bound to reject them.

Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:

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Here is the lesson for scientists: in the last decade, we have apparently become less convincing to Republicans than the deniers have been. They have apparently become better at messaging, while we have perhaps become worse.

Nah. It has to do with the target audience. There are a hundred ways to be stupid for every way to be smart.. so stupidity always wins games of pure propaganda..

And that is all that 'public opinion' is based on. Who has the most 'appealing' conclusions. NOBODY wants to deal with AGW. Not even those that understand that they HAVE to. So most people go with the 'What? Me Worry' answer.

litesong wrote:

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Strong association between you & the Competitive Enterprise Institute.

Melodrama from left wing Liberal. CEI provided the EPA's report for everyone on the Internet to see. You making it a conspiracy is comical.

ephotonic wrote:

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I wrote code myself and it would have failed at Y2K. You could go and look up and read IT journals during the time discussing the issue at length. Or again, do you somehow have some private knowledge to prove your accusation of a conspiracy? Did you write a book? What is the issue you have with Liberalism is all evil anyway? Gay Marriage? Legalized Prostitution? Legal Drug use? National Parks? Freedom from corporate police? Coporate manipulations of health care and markets?
Now, is it Socialism you have a problem with? OK.....
Roads = socialism
unemployment insurance = socialism
police = socialism
legal system = socialism
basic research = socialism
infrastructure = socialism
And dont forget, your precious military empire for sure = socialism

Hacking Code has nothing to do with the Time/Date Calendar function in the hardware (bios)chip ... The Time/Clock/Calendar Function on the motherboard was suspect of failing by skeptics, which never happened, Y2K was not a software failure. Today many people still use the same computer prior to Y2K...

However... You are spoken like a true liberal, ephotonic. Abandon unborn life, take no responsiblity for your actions and blame someone else because you're the idiot and promote a dysfunctional awol world...

The Poison of Liberalism

Toni wrote:

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Melodrama from left wing Liberal. CEI provided the EPA's report for everyone on the Internet to see. You making it a conspiracy is comical.

I am Snohomish Tribe. Yes, we have lost much more than just the right wing of my Totem Animal to the transplanted euros.

Of course, I did not make it a conspiracy. You are just a tag-along-too babble mouth. Anyone reporting anything the conservative republican constructed Competitive Enterprise Institute says does not care to follow science.

litesong wrote:

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I am Snohomish Tribe. Yes, we have lost much more than just the right wing of my Totem Animal to the transplanted euros.
Of course, I did not make it a conspiracy. You are just a tag-along-too babble mouth. Anyone reporting anything the conservative republican constructed Competitive Enterprise Institute says does not care to follow science.

I think the term "ditto", referring to the religious followers of the RW propaganda pundits, to "echos". They repeat this stuff as if they know what they are repeating.

Florida wrote:

<quoted text>Hacking Code has nothing to do with the Time/Date Calendar function in the hardware (bios)chip ... The Time/Clock/Calendar Function on the motherboard was suspect of failing by skeptics, which never happened, Y2K was not a software failure. Today many people still use the same computer prior to Y2K...
However... You are spoken like a true liberal, ephotonic. Abandon unborn life, take no responsiblity for your actions and blame someone else because you're the idiot and promote a dysfunctional awol world...
The Poison of Liberalism

Old hardware had the truncated time/date routines because they were limited in memory. Newer hardware had worked around this because they had machines that were faster and had more internal memory. However, software also had similar problems. As it was updated there was no need to write these routines until we got close to the new millennium. Many of the records were stamped with this truncated information and to work with the expanded new four digit year stamp that was necessary, there needed to be a routine that added the missing two digits. For example, 01/01/99 needed to be expanded to 01/01/1999 before it could interface with the year 01/01/2000. If not, the calculated interval would have been 1901 years instead of just one year. Could you imagine the interest accrued over that time interval?

Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:

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Old hardware had the truncated time/date routines because they were limited in memory. Newer hardware had worked around this because they had machines that were faster and had more internal memory. However, software also had similar problems. As it was updated there was no need to write these routines until we got close to the new millennium. Many of the records were stamped with this truncated information and to work with the expanded new four digit year stamp that was necessary, there needed to be a routine that added the missing two digits. For example, 01/01/99 needed to be expanded to 01/01/1999 before it could interface with the year 01/01/2000. If not, the calculated interval would have been 1901 years instead of just one year. Could you imagine the interest accrued over that time interval?

You are correct... The Y2K bug scare was a hardware bios issue for home and small business micro-computers. Programmers were writing routines (mostly in accounting software) to address the bug issue. The Y2K bug occured with IBM Micro-computer compatibles, the Intels and AMD's of the word... "NOT" Apple Computer, mini-computers and the mainframe computers (Unix) of world. They were exempt of this bug...

litesong wrote:

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Without mentioning the obvious once in a lifetime temporary but extended 2 year solar minimum, radiating energy at 2 parts per 1000 BELOW normal, or the simultaneous low cycle of the PDO & La Nina, the denier global cooling movement is an obvious erroneous attempt to say that the 3 thousand thousand thousand thousand thousand KGs of man-made emissions of infra-red absorbing CO2 do NOT absorb CO2.
With all the cooling events that have simultaneously occurred, it is surprising that Earth is warm as it is. In this year, the Northwest went through 5.5 months of warming that even set record temperatures for day & early morning temperatures. Likewise, Australia had two summers of extreme & record temperatures, both day & early morning. Also, ocean temperatures have been the highest of recorded temperatures.
Deniers are deniers......namely, nothing to have any major part to say in AGW proper science.
So deniers, immensely enjoy your temporary solar minimum, & your low cycle of PDO & La Nina......your laughter shall end with the ending of these simultaneous, but geologically short-lived events.

SO you are saying that,
"2 year solar minimum, radiating energy at 2 parts per 1000 BELOW normal"
and
"simultaneous low cycle of the PDO & La Nina" have an effect on the earth?
Wow then you follow up with
"say that the 3 thousand thousand thousand thousand thousand KGs of man-made emissions of infra-red absorbing CO2 do NOT absorb CO2"
TRANSLATION
that less than 1/2 of a % of the total worlds atmosphere of " man-made emissions of infra-red absorbing CO2 do NOT absorb CO2"

The "deniers" don't deny that man puts out less than 1/2 of 1/2 of a percentage of the earth's atmosphere. We just don't think it's effect is as great as the "model for grant money" crowd does.

While I have asked, and will ask you as well, we in the states may have lowered our CO2. China has surpassed us and india is putting out as much as ever. How is it the any gain in sea ice is possible?

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The "deniers" don't deny that man puts out less than 1/2 of 1/2 of a percentage of the earth's atmosphere. We just don't think it's effect is as great as the "model for grant money" crowd does.

Your figures don't tell us much. 1/2 of 1/2 percent would be 2500 ppm. If there were only a mere 550 ppm of H2S in the atmosphere, you would be dead in less that five minutes. You see, the eluding that the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere is too small to affect anything is meaningless until the actual mechanism is considered. Yours is an empty argument.

Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:

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Your figures don't tell us much. 1/2 of 1/2 percent would be 2500 ppm. If there were only a mere 550 ppm of H2S in the atmosphere, you would be dead in less that five minutes. You see, the eluding that the concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere is too small to affect anything is meaningless until the actual mechanism is considered. Yours is an empty argument.

No, you seem to think the earths atmosphere has more that 1/2% of other gases that include CO2. So your big huge number in perspective of all the other gases is not alot overall. Your arguement that change is DRIVEN by mans output of CO2 is less than effective when sea ice grows back. You lament that I point out local patterns(in the US)((2nd largest output of CO2)) Only to have some others point to local increases in the southern hemisphere tempatures as an arguement against mine!

You wouldn't say it but eluded to drift as to why the US has a reprieve of AGW!(yeah my argument is empty!) LOL
It must be Gods blessing that we in the states get record low temps while the rest of the world suffers. My religous beliefs have nothing but faith supporting my opinion, and it looks like yours is the same!

Give us the number of natural CO2 compared to how much man puts in. What % of the atmosphere is CO2?
Tell us how long CO2(man made) stays in the atmosphere?

Jon24 wrote:

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No, you seem to think the earths atmosphere has more that 1/2% of other gases that include CO2. So your big huge number in perspective of all the other gases is not alot overall. Your arguement that change is DRIVEN by mans output of CO2 is less than effective when sea ice grows back. You lament that I point out local patterns(in the US)((2nd largest output of CO2)) Only to have some others point to local increases in the southern hemisphere tempatures as an arguement against mine!
You wouldn't say it but eluded to drift as to why the US has a reprieve of AGW!(yeah my argument is empty!) LOL
It must be Gods blessing that we in the states get record low temps while the rest of the world suffers. My religous beliefs have nothing but faith supporting my opinion, and it looks like yours is the same!
Give us the number of natural CO2 compared to how much man puts in. What % of the atmosphere is CO2?
Tell us how long CO2(man made) stays in the atmosphere?

I am sorry, but you say about the levels of gases in the atmosphere makes little sense to me. Further I think you are saying that global warming should be uniform throughout the world, and that since the US has cooled, that shows that global warming isn't happening. That does not make sense either. Weather patterns change from locality to locality and year to year. Since weather patterns can change several degrees and global warming is only a small fraction of a degree from year to year, local weather patterns can override the effects.

The ratio of what is natural and what is man made CO2 being introduced to the atmosphere is meaningless. The natural carbon cycle is dynamically balanced and has been so for millions of years. When we burn fossil fuels we introduce "new" CO2 into the atmosphere from coal and oil that was sequestered in past eons of the earth's history. This increases the total amount of CO2 in the atmosphere today.

litesong wrote:

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I am Snohomish Tribe. Yes, we have lost much more than just the right wing of my Totem Animal to the transplanted euros.
Of course, I did not make it a conspiracy. You are just a tag-along-too babble mouth. Anyone reporting anything the conservative republican constructed Competitive Enterprise Institute says does not care to follow science.

Your doing a good job of babbling incoherent liberalism. Go whittle on that totem pole pilgrim!

litesong wrote:

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Of course, I did not make it a conspiracy. You are just a tag-along-too babble mouth. Anyone reporting anything the conservative republican constructed Competitive Enterprise Institute says does not care to follow science.

Well, Toni can turn anything into a conspiracy. She thrives on unsubstantiated gossip - especially the down and dirty type.

Toni wrote:

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Your doing a good job of babbling incoherent liberalism. Go whittle on that totem pole pilgrim!

Another pukey racist pig denier raises its snortin' nose out of the slime of denier politics. & what's this pilgrim patch you're pinning on me. Native Tribes rescued pilgrims from death when they came to this continent. Like most euros did when faced with good actions, pilgrims executed Native Tribes within 20 years of the benevolent actions of Native Tribes.

Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:

The natural carbon cycle is dynamically balanced and has been so for millions of years.

Define, "natural carbon cycle" and tell me how many, "millions of years" it has been balanced?
Thanks in advance.

litesong wrote:

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Another pukey racist pig denier raises its snortin' nose out of the slime of denier politics. & what's this pilgrim patch you're pinning on me. Native Tribes rescued pilgrims from death when they came to this continent. Like most euros did when faced with good actions, pilgrims executed Native Tribes within 20 years of the benevolent actions of Native Tribes.

Beware!! you are adding fatal co2 to the atmosphere with your liberal mouth...pig latin Tonto is no longer politically correct. You might think about stashing the hash, because the O puffs are off steps with the drum. I can hear the beat now....2010....2012.

Jon24 wrote:

...Give us the number of natural CO2 compared to how much man puts in...

Man doesn't create CO2, that carbon was in the air before and we merely put it back, where it belongs.

Brian_G wrote:

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Man doesn't create CO2,

Yes he does. When he burns hydrocarbons (C+H) in oxygen(O2) he 'creates' CO2 molecules that were NOT there bofore the combustion.

Brian_G wrote:

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that carbon was in the air before

Yes, but irrelevant. Man didn't CREATE the matter, but he certainly has a role moving matter about and has to consider the consequences.

Brian_G wrote:

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and we merely put it back, where it belongs.

There is no logic or reason to claiming that all carbon 'belongs' in the atmsophere as CO2. We could do it but only if we are willing to die off from toxic levels. And where is the reasoning for that?

BG. Your posts are even more irratinal than usual. Are you feeling well?

Florida wrote:

<quoted text>Hacking Code has nothing to do with the Time/Date Calendar function in the hardware (bios)chip ... The Time/Clock/Calendar Function on the motherboard was suspect of failing by skeptics, which never happened, Y2K was not a software failure. Today many people still use the same computer prior to Y2K...
However... You are spoken like a true liberal, ephotonic. Abandon unborn life, take no responsiblity for your actions and blame someone else because you're the idiot and promote a dysfunctional awol world...
The Poison of Liberalism

Sorry, I was there, I have friends who were there, missing the Y2K parties to make sure things ran right. And the cool thing was, it wasnt the government telling us, you must fix this, it was a buisness necessity. Of course you wont believe me, wouldnt expect you to, you have already made up your mind. And somehow, you have access to private information from the Clintons that they instigated it. I suppose then, they did a pretty good job to pull that off then, keeping it all secret and stuff.

Now, back to the war on evil liberals:

If your going to call the losers who dont work, on welfare, repeated abortions, and thieves, liberals, ok, fine. But I dont think they think about politics much though. I think they are just losers, somehow lost.

But, Ill bet ther are a lot of conservatives out of work, collecting unemployment. Also, retired conservatives, collecting social security. So. that must make them now, liberals and socialists. Also, if you ever set foot in a national park, or a national forest, a library, a museum, guess what, your now a socialist liberal. And, if your healed by a liberal university trained doctor, with technology developed by the NIH, ummm, your now a victim of socialist liberalism. Poison I tell you, poison!