Expert: We must act fast on warming

Sep 24, 2008 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Kansas.com

Droughts, melting ice caps and glaciers, rising sea levels and mass extinctions will all be a reality unless the U.S. and the world cut back on carbon emissions dramatically, said James Hansen, director of ...

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Maybe the effect of our CO2 emissions on global warming is a rounding error.
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'brian_g stumble butt dumpster diver' has a vast ego to allegedly threaten & then lie about his character.
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I pity you.
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The ego of 'steenking brian_g stumble butt dumpster diver' is big enough that he pretends & lies how sorry he feels. However, his humanity is small, & he feels no pity at all.
'steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger brian_g stumble butt dumpster diver' is a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig & alleged & proud threatener.
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I'm sorry if you feel threatened, I never meant you harm.
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The ego of 'steenking brian_g stumble butt dumpster diver' is big enough that he pretends & lies how sorry he feels. However, his humanity is small, & he feels no pity at all.
'steenking piddling diddling middling mudling mudslinger brian_g stumble butt dumpster diver' is a slimy steenking filthy vile reprobate rooting(& rotting) racist pukey proud pig & alleged & proud threatener.
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LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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Buy the magazine. Pesonally I don't see CCS being as prominent since I have yet to see an *economically* viable CCS given a profit motive of most business. The wealthy will avoid or buy politicians to get out of any 'externalized cost' they can.
I would bet more on solar, wind and geothermal in the long run unless microalgae become the overall winner (give a breakthrough).
Yes and then there is the dirtling that can contribute hot air.

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LessHypeMoreFact wrote:
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Ask the grain purchaser. Mainly it probably indicates poor storage or fragile corns. Not to mention the problems of mildew and other spoilage. Look at the drought ravaged ears of corn. If you harvest them, what will they be like..
Same goes for wheat which is another major feedstock.
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Ask the grain purchaser or the USDA. Same goes for wheat which is another major feedstock. Grades have limits to broken grains.
http://tinyurl.com/cttj5bg
P.S. for the rest of your tripe, if the farmer has a 'good crop' he will sell it for too much for the ethanol producers. Simple economics.
You know, most material on such things is freely available over the web. Your problem is not just that you spout off about things you have no CLUE about, but that you won't even taken the time to check anything you COULD understand.
Broken kernals would matter not since field corn when you are using it for feed or for manufactoring. The broken kernals are usually a sign that the crops were not receiving something vital and that the corn is substandard. Which means that it is not what you are looking for to make ethanol either. Drought ravaged corn is usually only harvested as silage or animal feed. Usually because it cost more to harvest it than it is worth. As for mildewed corn, when making ethanol you are going to grind it up and add yeast to it. So you would have yeast and mildew in the same mix until the yeast start producing ethanol at which time so long mildew.

Yes, there is plenty of material available on the web. Dons't mean that all of it is accurate. Wikipedia is an excellent example. Plenty of information, large amounts of it wrong.

As for asking a grain purchaser, I have and talked to the farmers selling it as well. Along with the USDA and the ATF since when you are talking about ethanol for industrial use.

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Discover magazine (Oct 2012) puts the target energy mix for 2062 as
24% Nuclear
14% Hydropower
12% Coal with CCS
12% Solar
12% Wind
11% Natural Gas
05% Biogas
05% Natural Gas with CCS
03% Geothermal
01% Biomass with CCS
01% Oil
01% Coal
A worthy target.
Worthy maybe or maybe not. Practical or realistic it is not. What you have is close to an alarmist dream. For example, notice how much coal and oil are used now vs wind and solar. One of the reasons why is coal is a reliable source of electrical power and not at the mercy of the weather like wind and solar. Coal generates half of the electrical power while wind and solar together are less than three percent.

The idea that they can reduce coal and increase wind and solar is doomed to failure. Any source that is at the mercy of the weather is doomed to failure. They could make the nuclear numbers and even exceed them but in fifty years all you are going to see is wind and solar where it is now. If they make any progress in making a practical EV then they will see wind and solar even further behind and see the majority of power from coal and nuclear.

All Discovery Magazine had is the alternative version of a flying car. Something that dreamers dream but will remain nothing more than something those in the future will giggle over. If you doubt that then take a look at magazines fifty years ago and what they were predicting. Things like personal jet packs ending the need for cars. They were predicting the highways would be skyways by now.
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Broken kernals would matter ..
In your mind, of course. Where you set the rules to your own fancy.

But farmers go by the MANUAL and get paid by the GRADE so the percentage of cracked, mildew, etc affects prices. And how much the farmer is PAID for lower grade grains depends on whether it matters to the person using those grains. The ethanol producer doesn't care about grades so much because he is interested in the starch content. The feed lot operator does care about grades and pays much less for the lower grades.

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In your mind, of course. Where you set the rules to your own fancy.
But farmers go by the MANUAL and get paid by the GRADE so the percentage of cracked, mildew, etc affects prices. And how much the farmer is PAID for lower grade grains depends on whether it matters to the person using those grains. The ethanol producer doesn't care about grades so much because he is interested in the starch content. The feed lot operator does care about grades and pays much less for the lower grades.
A manual for farming, only the ones who go out of business. Farming is as much an art as a science. Knowing when to harvest and what to plant is as much a matter as experience as anything else.
Sorry, but unless you can prove that there is a manual telling farmers when to plant and when to harvest then I would have to say the one setting the rules to fit his own fancy is you.
Also, maybe you should start researching the commodies market. After all, that is where many of the prices are set.
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Worthy maybe or maybe not. Practical or realistic it is not. What you have is close to an alarmist dream. For example, notice how much coal and oil are used now vs wind and solar. One of the reasons why is coal is a reliable source of electrical power and not at the mercy of the weather like wind and solar. Coal generates half of the electrical power while wind and solar together are less than three percent.
The idea that they can reduce coal and increase wind and solar is doomed to failure. Any source that is at the mercy of the weather is doomed to failure. They could make the nuclear numbers and even exceed them but in fifty years all you are going to see is wind and solar where it is now. If they make any progress in making a practical EV then they will see wind and solar even further behind and see the majority of power from coal and nuclear.
All Discovery Magazine had is the alternative version of a flying car. Something that dreamers dream but will remain nothing more than something those in the future will giggle over. If you doubt that then take a look at magazines fifty years ago and what they were predicting. Things like personal jet packs ending the need for cars. They were predicting the highways would be skyways by now.
Hate to burst your bubble but coal DOES NOT provide half of electrical power. It is at 37.5% and has been dropping. As natural gas prices increase coal use may rise some next year but coal is slowly being phased out. http://www.eia.gov/electricity/

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<quoted text>Hate to burst your bubble but coal DOES NOT provide half of electrical power. It is at 37.5% and has been dropping. As natural gas prices increase coal use may rise some next year but coal is slowly being phased out. http://www.eia.gov/electricity/
Actually the EIA only looks at the US and not the world. Also you missed the fact that many areas are dropping in electrical consumption as busisnesses close or reduce operations. Funny thing is when you ask the EPA for it's numbers they seem to come up with something a little different. They have just a hair under fifty percent. Of course the reason why is the EIA numbers is based on how much is generated by coal in tons of coal and the EPA's numbers is based on how much as a percentage of the current amounts.

As for the comment that coal is being phased out, it normally seems to come from those who are hoping that wind and solar will finally become practical large scales sources of energy. Which means that they have to ignore the fact that both are at the mercy of the weather which is rarely merciful. I have been hearing the end of coal and oil for decades and the funny thing is all those deadlines came and went and nothing changed except the dates.

http://www.epa.gov/cleanenergy/energy-and-you...

http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_energy/coalvswind...

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Hate to burst your bubble but coal DOES NOT provide half of electrical power. It is at 37.5% and has been dropping. As natural gas prices increase coal use may rise some next year but coal is slowly being phased out. http://www.eia.gov/electricity/
Now for the bad news:
Coal power to drive U.S. emissions higher next year: report

WASHINGTON (Reuters)- U.S. fossil fuel emissions will rise 2.8 percent next year as higher costs for natural gas prompt power plant operators to switch to coal, according to a government energy report released on Wednesday.

Coal-fired power generation will increase by 9.3 percent next year, the report said, in part because utilities are expected to pay almost 20 percent more for natural gas. Burning coal releases more carbon dioxide gas into the atmosphere than natural gas.
http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/sns-rt...
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<quoted text>Now for the bad news:
Coal power to drive U.S. emissions higher next year: report
WASHINGTON U.S. fossil fuel emissions will rise 2.8 percent next year as higher costs for natural gas prompt power plant operators to switch to coal, according to a government energy report released on Wednesday.
Coal-fired power generation will increase by 9.3 percent next year, the report said, in part because utilities are expected to pay almost 20 percent more for natural gas. Burning coal releases more carbon dioxide gas into the atmosphere than natural gas.
No one will believe you. Now add your usual useless babble tainted with hate covered with spam cut and paste.

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No one will believe you. Now add your usual useless babble tainted with hate covered with spam cut and paste.
Keep those scientific posts coming, kid, you're doing a great job of making this the best (joke) forum on the internet.
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Actually the EIA only looks at the US and not the world. Also you missed the fact that many areas are dropping in electrical consumption as busisnesses close or reduce operations. Funny thing is when you ask the EPA for it's numbers they seem to come up with something a little different. They have just a hair under fifty percent. Of course the reason why is the EIA numbers is based on how much is generated by coal in tons of coal and the EPA's numbers is based on how much as a percentage of the current amounts.
As for the comment that coal is being phased out, it normally seems to come from those who are hoping that wind and solar will finally become practical large scales sources of energy. Which means that they have to ignore the fact that both are at the mercy of the weather which is rarely merciful. I have been hearing the end of coal and oil for decades and the funny thing is all those deadlines came and went and nothing changed except the dates.
http://www.epa.gov/cleanenergy/energy-and-you...
http://www.ucsusa.org/clean_energy/coalvswind...
We know you probably work for the fossil fuel industry but it will not save them,or you, by posting BS. Coal will eventually be phased out due to pollution and mining concerns,get over it.
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<quoted text>Keep those scientific posts coming, kid, you're doing a great job of making this the best (joke) forum on the internet.
Yes you are the biggest (joke) forum on the internet. And yes I do a good job making a scientific joke out of you. Now redeem your self and answer that 2nd grade question.
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Ace wrote:
<quoted text>We know you probably work for the fossil fuel industry but it will not save them,or you, by posting BS. Coal will eventually be phased out due to pollution and mining concerns,get over it.
News flash the Less than a Box of Rocks dosen't have a job it collects free entitlments from us tax payers.The Less than a Box of Rocks is a product of the one child left behind program.

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We know you probably work for the fossil fuel industry
You obviously know very little about nothing.
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Coal will eventually be phased out due to pollution and mining concerns,get over it.
Do you want a prize for knowing what everyone has known for decades?
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<quoted text>You obviously know very little about nothing.<quoted text>Do you want a prize for knowing what everyone has known for decades?
You request a prize daily for the commander of useless babble tainted with hate covered with spam cut and paste. You obviously know very little about very little. Oh one exception you do know about the point on top of your shoulders you claim to call a head.

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Another week without even one single experiment on climate change mitigation.

Bummer.

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Another week without even one single experiment on climate change mitigation.
Bummer.
Go mix some baking soda with some vinegar.

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Go mix some baking soda with some vinegar.
I see that drew loud applause from your adoring fans.
I hope you're enjoying the company of your new found friends.

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