Should evolution be taught in high sc...

Should evolution be taught in high school?

There are 178617 comments on the www.scientificblogging.com story from Feb 24, 2008, titled Should evolution be taught in high school?. In it, www.scientificblogging.com reports that:

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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Psychology

Danielson, CT

#95980 Jul 15, 2012
I've had enough of talking to morons. Home prices were forced artificially high, even though wages stagnated in 1996 for the middle class. They bankrupted the middle class, because the schools had pre- programmed them to be parrots, just like you. The home prices and rents remain bankrupt high, because they have a captive audience. The gov is helping the investor class. It seems our gov is intent on destroying America. While America is bankrupt and economically enslaving the middle class to this debt, it is driving stagnation for the middle class, to just food, clothing and shelter.

The 15 trillion and the destruction of homes, the middle class and artificially high prices in everything, must bring about America's demise and the one world gov they are trying to bring about.

The stock market is a huge tax on all that are not investors. They will keep demanding more and more profit, threatening congress with replacement, because congress made it so. You and they are too stupid to care. You and they will destroy us and that will bring the downfall of all other nations.

The debt must keep rising, because congress and it's bribers care only for their greed.
Psychology

Danielson, CT

#95981 Jul 15, 2012
Congress has demanded more and more bribe money it seems, since it's inception or shortly there after, by what history teaches and to get more and more bribe money, congress used most all of the social security trust fund, to fuel that end.

Oops, all good things must come to an end, well, at least for congress and it's bribers. They are still borrowing to feed their lust. They will destroy themselves and everyone else.
Psychology

Danielson, CT

#95982 Jul 15, 2012
Even though congress and it's bribers and investors are stripping away trillions with time for social services, the debt keeps rising.

Since: Aug 07

United States

#95983 Jul 15, 2012
Chimney1 wrote:
<quoted text>
You have to ask yourself a deeper question - why is healthcare so expensive in the USA? I am not talking about who pays, but those charging.
Doctors are a self protecting union, just like any other. They keep the numbers of graduates down to push up their own value, disguising it under the red herring of "ensuring only the best become doctors". Its bunkum. They are vastly overpaid because they control supply. Then there are the drugs.
It depends. There is a multi-tier market for healthcare here. First of all, if you are below a certain income, it's completely free. Or if you are past the age of retirement, it's free. But if you are not in any of those categories, you have a lot of choices. If you have an emergency or are ill, you can simply go to one of millions of neighborhood walk-in clinics and pay cash. These work even if you need major surgery and they are dirt cheap. And ironically, they are connected with the best research hospitals.

Then there is the opposite end, the preferred providers. This is where they are tied in with the major insurance companies and everything is by the book.(You know, sort of like going to the dealer for car repair and it takes them 20 minutes to change a waterpump but the book calls for 2 1/2 hours labor so that's what they charge you.)

This is what Obamacare will require everyone working to pay into. It is extremely wasteful and inefficient. LIke you said if you have sore pinky toe, they will want a full blood workup, MRI, CAT scan, and colonoscopy. Then they will give you 15 prescriptions and want to see you next week for another round of tests. THis is pure greed. The doctors hate it too. The insurance companies and big pharma runs everything. There is no doctors labor union. Our doctors are the best but they are not business-smart. Most people are convinced and get a false sense of security by signing up for group health insurance and then become basically hypochondriacs.

Again, it's already free for most and can be very affordable so long as don't go the insurance route. Just say the magic password, "no, I don't have insurance", and pay as you go. You'll get better care at 1/10 the cost.(The insurance companies don't want you doing this thus Obamacare.)

Since: Aug 07

United States

#95984 Jul 15, 2012
Chimney1 wrote:
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You mean Solyndra? That drop in the bucket? Look at where the USA has led innovation in the past, and the rosy picture painted by extreme libertarians starts to look weak.
Integrated circuits, the internet, aviation technology, and many others relied on early research and support funded by the government to get moving. Previous govt support of pure R&D, without even a commercial product in mind, underpinned a great deal of commercial innovation.
Then you have to remember the huge subsidies and tax breaks traditional fuels are currently receiving, plus the bloated military often required to support them. What was the difference between Rwanda and Iraq? Hmmmm.
The cost of solar technology is falling steadily through a combination of govt and private R&D. Great. Energy independence is good for the USA strategically and clean energy is good for everyone. Go clean, locally available energy!
Solar is no good. You never get your return on investment. It kills the environment and it is terribly inefficient to store. I looked into it for my home. At the Solarstore, the guy (who had a PhD) asked me if I or my neighbors had any trees. Oh, well they all have to be cut down. On large solar farms, it's even worse. You have to destroy the entire ecosystem with roads, insecticides, pesticides, and herbicides and make it basically a sterile, poisoned area where nothing can live anymore and it also creates a giant heat sink. Then you need to transport the energy and store. Bottom line, it is not cost efficient and it destroys the environment. Oil is still the best and it is natural and we have plenty of it. For alternatives, I like hydroelectric power. If we could place generating turbines in the Atlantic Gulfstream off Florida there's enough power for all of S. Florida forever. Why aren't they doing that? Greed!

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#95985 Jul 15, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Solar is no good. You never get your return on investment. It kills the environment and it is terribly inefficient to store. I looked into it for my home.
Many homes have cut their power bills dramatically with direct solar water heating, and payback measured in a few years.

The costs of photovoltaic have continued to decline and soon you will be able to get a positive IRR on those systems compared to paying the grid...in some places, you can even now.

Storage? For solar in conjunction with other sources, it does not matter. In other cases, batteries are not the only option. For example, you can store chilled water during the day and keep the home cool at night. There are many ways of using the energy that do not depend on batteries.
You have to destroy the entire ecosystem with roads, insecticides, pesticides, and herbicides and make it basically a sterile, poisoned area where nothing can live anymore and it also creates a giant heat sink.
Really UC, that is just rubbish! Ever flown over warehouse areas, for example? Acres of idle roof, not exactly the Amazon rain forest. And in desert areas, bio-loss is minimal. There are plenty of options. There is nothing even wrong with a solar park where you mow the lawn below the equipment! Really, what have you been reading to buy this stuff?
Oil is still the best and it is natural and we have plenty of it. For alternatives, I like hydroelectric power. If we could place generating turbines in the Atlantic Gulfstream off Florida there's enough power for all of S. Florida forever. Why aren't they doing that? Greed!
Oil is shyte. I really do wonder at this obsession with a dirty, poisonous substance, largely held by geo-politically unstable enemies of your country, known to pollute and sicken. I am not about to say "dump the oil" because right now its necessary, but I marvel at people like you, who seem to operate on the hope that the Rapture is going to occur before the oil runs out and want to pretend its a benign energy source.

Hydro, great. Same with geothermal, and that has great potential. But solar is a great source of energy too.

Since: Aug 07

United States

#95986 Jul 15, 2012
Chimney1 wrote:
Many homes have cut their power bills dramatically with direct solar water heating, and payback measured in a few years.
That is a completely different subject.

Since: Aug 07

United States

#95987 Jul 15, 2012
Chimney1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Many homes have cut their power bills dramatically with direct solar water heating, and payback measured in a few years.
The costs of photovoltaic have continued to decline and soon you will be able to get a positive IRR on those systems compared to paying the grid...in some places, you can even now.
Storage? For solar in conjunction with other sources, it does not matter. In other cases, batteries are not the only option. For example, you can store chilled water during the day and keep the home cool at night. There are many ways of using the energy that do not depend on batteries.
<quoted text>
Really UC, that is just rubbish! Ever flown over warehouse areas, for example? Acres of idle roof, not exactly the Amazon rain forest. And in desert areas, bio-loss is minimal. There are plenty of options. There is nothing even wrong with a solar park where you mow the lawn below the equipment! Really, what have you been reading to buy this stuff?
<quoted text>
Oil is shyte. I really do wonder at this obsession with a dirty, poisonous substance, largely held by geo-politically unstable enemies of your country, known to pollute and sicken. I am not about to say "dump the oil" because right now its necessary, but I marvel at people like you, who seem to operate on the hope that the Rapture is going to occur before the oil runs out and want to pretend its a benign energy source.
Hydro, great. Same with geothermal, and that has great potential. But solar is a great source of energy too.
OK, you want to ridicule and wax crazy again. Goodbye.

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#95988 Jul 15, 2012
Chimney1 wrote:
<quoted text>
Prices, of homes plummeted, rents far less, for a very simple reason. There are the same number of people having to live somewhere whether they own a home or not. So rent demand actually increased while people had to leave their own homes and rent.
Here in Dubai, at least 20% of the population left the country (since most people here are from somewhere else and only here on work visas). Here, not only prices of houses, but rents, both plummeted 60%- 70% in three months!. Places that had rented for AED 220,000 per year suddenly rented for AED 80,000 per year.
That is the difference - there were still just as many people in the USA. Demand for rentals was, if anything, higher than before.
But...but...what about the CONSPIRACY?

“What, me worry?”

Since: Mar 09

I'm a racist caricature!

#95989 Jul 15, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>
Solar is no good. You never get your return on investment. It kills the environment and it is terribly inefficient to store. I looked into it for my home. At the Solarstore, the guy (who had a PhD) asked me if I or my neighbors had any trees. Oh, well they all have to be cut down. On large solar farms, it's even worse. You have to destroy the entire ecosystem with roads, insecticides, pesticides, and herbicides and make it basically a sterile, poisoned area where nothing can live anymore and it also creates a giant heat sink. Then you need to transport the energy and store. Bottom line, it is not cost efficient and it destroys the environment. Oil is still the best and it is natural and we have plenty of it. For alternatives, I like hydroelectric power. If we could place generating turbines in the Atlantic Gulfstream off Florida there's enough power for all of S. Florida forever. Why aren't they doing that? Greed!
America has huge swaths of viable solar energy generating space available. The rooftop of every flat-topped building is prime solar territory. That's not even taking into account dead space on the sides of buildings that could be filled with solar panels. And, far more efficient panels are available now than were available even 5 years ago, that increase power output while decreasing profile and weight.

Not to mention, they could also use green roofs, with soil and plants, to reduce heating/cooling costs as well as reduce ambient air temperatures, especially in large cities, where buildings increase the temperature by as much as 15 degrees Fahrenheit. Less maintenance than the tar and stone roofs, reduced energy costs, and reduced demand for energy for air conditioning for everyone around them.

And that doesn't even begin to touch LEED standards, and how few buildings even bother considering them, much less meeting or exceeding them, and how those standards could be even more stringent without a significant increase in up-front cost (but a considerable savings on the back end).

We've spent far too much money figuring out how not to be efficient, and avoid it at all costs. Why not figure out ways to be more efficient and get more out of every bit of energy we have available?

Since: Aug 07

United States

#95990 Jul 15, 2012
LowellGuy wrote:
America has huge swaths of viable solar energy generating space available. The rooftop of every flat-topped building is prime solar territory. That's not even taking into account dead space on the sides of buildings that could be filled with solar panels. And, far more efficient panels are available now than were available even 5 years ago, that increase power output while decreasing profile and weight.
Me and my neighbors are not about to cut all our trees down and my Solar assessment by the Solarstore guy was last year and it's $55,000! I will never get my money back.

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#95991 Jul 15, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>
OK, you want to ridicule and wax crazy again. Goodbye.
Come off it. Speaking of waxing crazy:

"Solar is no good. You never get your return on investment. It kills the environment and it is terribly inefficient to store." You, today.

The only part of that with any truth was the storage difficulty. Pointing out this to you is not waxing crazy.

Neither is pointing out that oil is dirty, non-renewable, and causes geo-political instability.

My crack about the Rapture...well, I can't for the life of me understand the thought processes of some of these solar critics and oil champions, unless there is something like that going on - something like "well, 100 years from now does not matter...the end times are here".
Psychology

Danielson, CT

#95992 Jul 15, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>
OK, you want to ridicule and wax crazy again. Goodbye.
I don't know if what they say here is just to have others fight with them on purpose or if they are truly that stupid, but I have a feeling that it's both.

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#95993 Jul 15, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>
That is a completely different subject.
So you don't think a combination of direct water heating and photovoltaic electrical could ever be used on rooftop systems to dramatically reduce fossil fuel dependency?

I really cannot understand this "solar is no good" mantra.

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#95994 Jul 15, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
<quoted text>
Me and my neighbors are not about to cut all our trees down and my Solar assessment by the Solarstore guy was last year and it's $55,000! I will never get my money back.
The first cars, computers, and even TV's cost a fortune compared to today. Cut ALL the trees down? Do you live in the middle of a forest?

Since: Aug 07

United States

#95995 Jul 15, 2012
Turbines in the gulfstream I say. Steady 5 knots and it never stops. But photovoltaic cell solar is no good mainly because you need a clear view of the sun all day. That's the reality. Sure high buildings but if the building has 300 apartments the roof area is insignificant. Large solar panel farms destroy the habitat and the environment. These are just creating utopias pipe dreams. Only rich smug people that drive Prius cars can do it.
Psychology

Danielson, CT

#95996 Jul 15, 2012
The main driver of America's housing fall, was due to regular homeowners acting as they were taught since school, although the gov backed scams contributed quite a lot.

However, I doubt any here will know how it was achieved.
Psychology

Danielson, CT

#95997 Jul 15, 2012
Are solar cells able to withstand large hail storms? Can they withstand lightening strikes? How about fires? Earthquakes? Severe wind storms? Do people steal them? Trees fall on them?

How much does a persons insurance go up when these are installed?
Psychology

Danielson, CT

#95998 Jul 15, 2012
If solar cell tech is worth it, drive by your local politicians homes and see if they are on their houses.

Not necessarily the rich politicians homes, because they may do it just to create the illusion that they care and likely some contractor made it cheap or free, as a bribe.

Look at the lower level politicians homes.

Since: Aug 07

United States

#95999 Jul 15, 2012
Chimney1 wrote:
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The first cars, computers, and even TV's cost a fortune compared to today. Cut ALL the trees down? Do you live in the middle of a forest?
I have a 40 foot avocado tree on the right side, a 60 foot casaurina (australian pine) on the left, a 50 foot walnut tree in the front, and very tall palms all around. Oh, did I mention my massive royal poincetta tree in the front yard? These all would have to go. And even if I were willing to ax my own trees all my neighbors around me also have yards filled with trees that would also have to go in order for MY solar to work. It just ain't happening. And the birds and squirels wouldn't like it either.

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