Should evolution be taught in high school?

Feb 24, 2008 | Posted by: Cash | Full story: www.scientificblogging.com

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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Some animals are very smart, just like humans and while some humans are not as easily harmed by toxins, other humans are very susceptible to being harmed by those same toxins, just like our animal friends, that must live barely above floor level and the thousand or so toxins in carpet.
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So if I want to rent out my property for $50 a month less than the investors have colluded, because I would rather see it full than empty, what, do the Investor Gang come and break my bones?
Its supply and demand, you idiot.
You are a moron chimney and while I shouldn't bother, your stupidity gives rise to more that should be said.

50 whole dollars, gosh, I'm sure that people making minimum wage would love to pay 50 bucks less, but when a two bedroom apt or home rents for 7 to 900 a month on average, because of the collusion and theft by government, wall street, realtors, the media, some corporations and investors, in the run up to the destruction of the housing industry for millions, while millions lost their jobs, housing prices have stayed extremely high, because people must still have a place to live.

If it was supply and demand, with all those millions losing their homes, prices should have plummeted, but the bankers and government simply kept the prices inflated.

Supply and demand have not been a driving force in America for a long time now. The oil industry started manipulating the supply line way back in the 70's, as they bribed gov and the media became an a of the gov, most other corporations have engaged in such manipulations.

Thanks for being such an idiot chimney, you are a perfect example of most school systems around the world, for all with a brain to see.

Monkey see, monkey do.

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How about babies crawling and playing just above floor level?
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In an above sentence it should read,--The oil industry started manipulating the supply line way back in the 70's, as they bribed gov and the media became an "ARM" of the gov.
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As the corporations control when some crops are brought to market, by controlling the supply, they can simply keep it in storage until the prices rise, as well as they can manipulate a lot more things.
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The morons like you are helping to destroy America and the rest of the world must fall with us.

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Well, perhaps its your own tendency to exaggerate that forces me to that conclusion. Its you who paints your "liberal opponents" as virtually in league with the devil. Rather than just seeing them as people occupying a different part of the same spectrum.
Look at it this way - everyone thinks the government should do SOMETHING except crazed anarchists. If you support any form of medicare or medicaid, or a universal primary education system, for example, then you are supporting some form of redistribution paid for by taxes. Your opponents want more of it, but you agree with those who want less of it. Fine. But that is not the kind of rhetoric I see coming out of the USA today. Its like two camps who can each never admit that the other side ever gets ANYTHING right.
So, really, do you see liberals as in league with the devil? Yes or no?
Oh so now they're just "liberals"? It's impossible to discuss anything rationally because you always go from one extreme to another. I guess I'm guilty of that too. No, liberals are part of the the two party system. That's fine. It's only when it reaches the far left extreme and approaches communism and socialism that I loath and detest.

We already have very good medicare and medicaid and social security in place. What the extreme left wants is total control of your body from cradle to grave. Total control of everything you do 24/7. I have no problem with limited government for courts, military, roads, etc.

But the bureaucracies just continue to grow and grow with no end in sight for every conceivable service imaginable. If you can think up something at random, chances are there is a government agency in place to regulate it.

The average federal worker makes ($123M) double what their private sector counterpart makes and the number of these has sky-rocketed to nearly 3 million employees. If you include the military, that's another 1 1/2 million with a budget of nearly $700 billion. And that's just federal. Then, there's 50 states with a full scope of state government, 20,000 cities with governments, and another 3,000 county governments. So if you add up all government employees together, we may be talking about 10-20 million people easily. So that's a full 10 percent of the workforce is government?

Out national debt is almost $16 trillion, the budget deficit is $1.3 trillion, and the Obama administration sky-rocketed spending to $3.6 trillion and climbing rapidly. As it stands, each taxpayer is burdened with $136,000 in debt which won't go away by taxes; the only way to solve this is to spend less.

But the extreme left (Not just liberals!), yes, the far left wing socialists, want to expand government ten-fold from where we are now! It's completely reckless and irresponsible and shockingly unconscionable to see this happen. It's got to stop!

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You are a moron chimney and while I shouldn't bother, your stupidity gives rise to more that should be said.
50 whole dollars, gosh, I'm sure that people making minimum wage would love to pay 50 bucks less, but when a two bedroom apt or home rents for 7 to 900 a month on average, because of the collusion and theft by government, wall street, realtors, the media, some corporations and investors, in the run up to the destruction of the housing industry for millions, while millions lost their jobs, housing prices have stayed extremely high, because people must still have a place to live.
If it was supply and demand, with all those millions losing their homes, prices should have plummeted, but the bankers and government simply kept the prices inflated.
Supply and demand have not been a driving force in America for a long time now. The oil industry started manipulating the supply line way back in the 70's, as they bribed gov and the media became an a of the gov, most other corporations have engaged in such manipulations.
Thanks for being such an idiot chimney, you are a perfect example of most school systems around the world, for all with a brain to see.
Monkey see, monkey do.
You're right, the government did help cause the mortgage crisis. Both borrower and lender KNEW the loan could not be paid normally, so the they created flexible plans such as NEGAMs or negative amortizing loans where the payments don't even cover the interest, and 80-20s where you get two loans to avoid PMI, or interest only loans with a baloon at the end of 5 years; and on and on. No income checks, no tax returns, no employeement checks, no documentation needed just sign on the dotted line and move in to your new home! And if it doesn't work out then just flip it for big bucks. Broker makes a nice commission and buyer gets the home of his dreams, right? Wrong. It wasn't REAL. It was all BS greed and dishonesty (on both parties) and government intervention (CRA, Fair Housing, etc.) Everybody gets a new home! Yeah, right. Now it's just the opposite. The government got caught screwing up so now a bank won't lend you the money unless you don't need it. Houses are selling even though mortgage rates are under 4% and houses are selling for what they sold for 20 years ago! Most people are under water on their mortgage with no equity and just walking away from it. Owners who defaulted just stay in the house for years because the courts are so clogged up it will take 5 years to get them out and this drags out the economic recovery because the bad loan remains on the bank's books. To make matters worse, most people paying their mortgage current also have a maxed-out variable rate equity line of $100M so if interest rates were increase there would be a whole new wave of foreclosures as big or bigger than the last one.
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My car insurance jumped 100% in 3 years and I am a safe driver.

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In today's environment, it is cheaper and better to go credit-free and insurance-free. Pay as you go. Rent instead of buy. My best friend's wife is recovering from cancer and it was cheaper to pay the doctors in cash then to have health insurance. A lot cheaper. A mortgage is a money pit anyway but when you factor in everything else, it's not worth it anymore. Windstorm, hazard, and flood insurance, mortgage interest, county taxes. And then it's worth half of what you originally paid for it? Not a good deal. Health insurance for the family 1,200 a month and you still pay? Forget it. If you got no insurance the bill is $5,000; but if you got health insurance, it's $75,000 and you pay part of it anyway! Bastards! That's exactly what Obamacare is going to do - make us all pay or go to jail. I'm a sucker right now because the biggest part of my expenses is taxes and insurance that I don't use and don't even want. There's actually incentive for me to just drop out and suck the government teat and that's just what so many are doing.(Black unemployement rate 17%) More people filed for disability than got jobs. Something is very wrong. Under a certain income? Apply for a FREE cell phone with 250 minutes per month for free! Don't believe me? Paid for by U.S. taxpayers.

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Would it surprise you to know that the bankruptcy of america was planned? Would it surprise you to know that those that planned it, knew that the rest of the world would have to prop us up?

The problem is, the architects didn't plan on things going this far?
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You see said the blind man, who would have thought that so many countries would play follow the leader and bankrupt themselves?

Americas middle class was sacrificed for the one world government, only the greed went way too far and other countries just did what the Us was doing.
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My car insurance jumped 100% in 3 years and I am a safe driver.
All of a sudden I feel I have another reason not to get into your car.
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You are a moron chimney and while I shouldn't bother, your stupidity gives rise to more that should be said.
50 whole dollars, gosh, I'm sure that people making minimum wage would love to pay 50 bucks less, but when a two bedroom apt or home rents for 7 to 900 a month on average, because of the collusion and theft by government, wall street, realtors, the media, some corporations and investors, in the run up to the destruction of the housing industry for millions, while millions lost their jobs, housing prices have stayed extremely high, because people must still have a place to live.
If it was supply and demand, with all those millions losing their homes, prices should have plummeted, but the bankers and government simply kept the prices inflated.
Supply and demand have not been a driving force in America for a long time now. The oil industry started manipulating the supply line way back in the 70's, as they bribed gov and the media became an a of the gov, most other corporations have engaged in such manipulations.
Thanks for being such an idiot chimney, you are a perfect example of most school systems around the world, for all with a brain to see.
Monkey see, monkey do.
Do the words "Tri-Lateral Commission" mean anything to you?
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Would it surprise you to know that the bankruptcy of america was planned? Would it surprise you to know that those that planned it, knew that the rest of the world would have to prop us up?
The problem is, the architects didn't plan on things going this far?
It would surprise me if you've never watched "Loose Change."
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The US congress stands in the open taking bribes, destroying any rule of law. If you want to believe those morons are worth anything more than sh*t, or their stooges, the trilateral commission, then stay stupid, you are as unamerican as they are and your a moron to boot.
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I think for myself, you can go suck on your loose change.

That's enough banter with you morons.
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I think it should be taught. Maybe as a year course. Slowly introduce the logic-make the anatomical comparisons first. These are quite simple. Then move to more abstract ideas like genetics.

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If it was supply and demand, with all those millions losing their homes, prices should have plummeted, but the bankers and government simply kept the prices inflated.
Prices, of homes plummeted, rents far less, for a very simple reason. There are the same number of people having to live somewhere whether they own a home or not. So rent demand actually increased while people had to leave their own homes and rent.

Here in Dubai, at least 20% of the population left the country (since most people here are from somewhere else and only here on work visas). Here, not only prices of houses, but rents, both plummeted 60%- 70% in three months!. Places that had rented for AED 220,000 per year suddenly rented for AED 80,000 per year.

That is the difference - there were still just as many people in the USA. Demand for rentals was, if anything, higher than before.

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Oh so now they're just "liberals"? It's impossible to discuss anything rationally because you always go from one extreme to another. I guess I'm guilty of that too. No, liberals are part of the the two party system. That's fine. It's only when it reaches the far left extreme and approaches communism and socialism that I loath and detest.
Exactly, but you are often invoking the "slippery slope" argument where you claim evolution or atheism leads to fascism or communism or extreme liberalism. I am glad you realise that is just bunkum rhetoric for dramatic effect, and its not really necessary to these discussions. I dislike extreme liberals too.
We already have very good medicare and medicaid and social security in place. What the extreme left wants is total control of your body from cradle to grave. Total control of everything you do 24/7. I have no problem with limited government for courts, military, roads, etc.
But the bureaucracies just continue to grow and grow with no end in sight for every conceivable service imaginable. If you can think up something at random, chances are there is a government agency in place to regulate it.
I am no fan of in-your-face govt either.
national debt is almost $16 trillion, the budget deficit is $1.3 trillion, and the Obama administration sky-rocketed spending to $3.6 trillion and climbing rapidly. As it stands, each taxpayer is burdened with $136,000 in debt which won't go away by taxes; the
This concern while real is overblown. In fact your govt can borrow at virtually zero right now, look at treasury rates. And it should borrow in the short term to stimulate jobs and investment in infrastructure that is falling apart.
When the economy is booming, is when to run surpluses....exactly the OPPOSITE of what Bush did, which created the massive bubble in the first place. Deficits in recessions, surpluses in booms, each smoothing the boom / bust cycle. Running a deficit in a boom causes a bubble. Running a surplus and cutting spending in a recession makes the recession worse. Economics 101 - not left or right, just simple logic.

Longer term, spending has to be reigned in. Shorter term, its economic suicide. Like, jogging long term is good for your heart, except if you just had a triple bypass operation, when it will kill you.

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