Should evolution be taught in high school?

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Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand." Read more

Since: Jun 12

Montréal, Canada

#95373 Jun 28, 2012
Libertatem wrote:
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Might be more practical to teach high schoolers auto mechanics or how to use a debit card for those who will not become biologists or continuing on into the medical field. Teach them the scientific method of course. Theory will be irrelevant to the majority of them.
Education is not about what is simply relevant. Learning the theoretical foundations of how our world works is important for everyone.

I would hope we don't need to teach students how to use a debit card.

And anyway, if you're not continuing on into biology and are so opposed to learning the theory, then don't take a biology class in high school.
Science cat

Danielson, CT

#95374 Jun 28, 2012
Oh boy, the morons are agreeing with themselves under different names, again and again, ad nausium.
Science monkey

Danielson, CT

#95375 Jun 28, 2012
Shhhh, nobody's supposed to know.

Since: Mar 12

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#95376 Jun 28, 2012
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
<quoted text>Where do you figure the next generation of Biologists will come from if you don't expose them to the subject? or Physicists? or Chemists? Just because you didn't continue past high school doesn't mean no one has.
Let me ask you a question. Do you think the majority of high school students who continue on into higher education will major in chemistry or engineering? Biology or business?

I'm not sure if you intentionally missed my point or not. Let me rephrase it more directly. Teaching theory within any high school course will probably not benefit the majority of HS graduates & that time would be better spent teaching them what they will actually benefit from.

This is why federally managed education is a problem. Not enough choice in the curriculum you would like your children to study.

Since: Mar 12

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#95377 Jun 28, 2012
CAN_PsychStudent wrote:
<quoted text>Education is not about what is simply relevant. Learning the theoretical foundations of how our world works is important for everyone.

I would hope we don't need to teach students how to use a debit card.

And anyway, if you're not continuing on into biology and are so opposed to learning the theory, then don't take a biology class in high school.
Been awhile since I was in HS but I thought biology was a requirement for grad. Is this incorrect?

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#95378 Jun 28, 2012
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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I just ask them the age of the earth and if it's anything over a million years I give 'em a buck and take the handout. Mormons are sent packing more often than Jehovah's Witnesses, by the way.

Mormons are quite the group. When you are asked to prove that people will believe anything they are a handy reference.

Since: Jun 12

Montréal, Canada

#95379 Jun 28, 2012
Libertatem wrote:
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Been awhile since I was in HS but I thought biology was a requirement for grad. Is this incorrect?
I suppose it depends on where you live. I grew up in Ontario, and I believe you just needed one science course (not necessarily biology). Also, we have the dichotomy of academic vs. applied courses (applied courses being aimed at students who are not planning on attending a university).

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#95380 Jun 28, 2012
Libertatem wrote:
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Might be more practical to teach high schoolers auto mechanics or how to use a debit card for those who will not become biologists or continuing on into the medical field. Teach them the scientific method of course. Theory will be irrelevant to the majority of them.

A Theory is the essence and pinnacle of the scientific method. To separate them is to commit vivasection.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#95381 Jun 28, 2012
Science monkey wrote:
Shhhh, nobody's supposed to know.
Know what? That you're Jim Ryan the Carpet Whisperer and resident forum crank? Everybody recognizes you Jimbo no matter how many sockpuppets your create.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#95382 Jun 28, 2012
Libertatem wrote:
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Let me ask you a question. Do you think the majority of high school students who continue on into higher education will major in chemistry or engineering? Biology or business?
I'm not sure if you intentionally missed my point or not. Let me rephrase it more directly. Teaching theory within any high school course will probably not benefit the majority of HS graduates & that time would be better spent teaching them what they will actually benefit from.
This is why federally managed education is a problem. Not enough choice in the curriculum you would like your children to study.
If you want your kids baffled by everything but carburetors, send them to trade school. They'll still be baffled by carburetors but they'll at least know how to twiddle the screws.

Since: Aug 07

United States

#95383 Jun 28, 2012
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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I got it by the application of logic. In the future I will use the folloing mnemonic:
tits 'n' ass ==> gonococcus
I have newfound respect for you.

Since: Aug 07

United States

#95384 Jun 28, 2012
MikeF wrote:
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Know what? That you're Jim Ryan the Carpet Whisperer and resident forum crank? Everybody recognizes you Jimbo no matter how many sockpuppets your create.
You would have made a good detective or investigator.

Since: Mar 12

Location hidden

#95385 Jun 28, 2012
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
<quoted text>If you want your kids baffled by everything but carburetors, send them to trade school. They'll still be baffled by carburetors but they'll at least know how to twiddle the screws.
Insulting my children just shows your age. It is illegal to send them to a trade school at that age.

“Pissing people off since 1949”

Since: Apr 08

Seffner, FL

#95386 Jun 28, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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You would have made a good detective or investigator.
Thanks but that one wasn't very hard.

Since: Aug 07

United States

#95387 Jun 28, 2012
Dogen wrote:
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A Theory is the essence and pinnacle of the scientific method. To separate them is to commit vivasection.
Hey Dogen, ever had a course in biology or chemistry? Geology? Astronomy?

Since: Aug 07

United States

#95388 Jun 28, 2012
MikeF wrote:
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Thanks but that one wasn't very hard.
Hey Mike, why don't you join DL and me on this Biology CLEP exam? It'll be fun! And we can all say we've got 6 credit hours in college biology! What do you say?
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#95389 Jun 28, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
If you are going critique from a young earth creation perspective you need to remain consistent.
KABBOOOOOOOOOOOMMMMMMM!!!!

Yup, that was the industrial strength irony meter.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#95390 Jun 28, 2012
CAN_PsychStudent wrote:
I would hope we don't need to teach students how to use a debit card.
Indeed, that should be the LAST thing that should happen.

"Hey daddy, I just bought a HORSE!"

:-/
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#95391 Jun 28, 2012
Science cat wrote:
Oh boy, the morons are agreeing with themselves under different names, again and again, ad nausium.
Ah shaddap Jimbo.
The Dude

Birkenhead, UK

#95392 Jun 28, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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You would have made a good detective or investigator.
Are you saying you're the only one here who *didn't* recognize Jimbo?

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