Should evolution be taught in high school?

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Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand." Full Story

Since: Aug 07

United States

#95357 Jun 28, 2012
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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'B', of course. Is that supposed to be a hard question?
It's easy when you know it. It came from a practice test for biology CLEP. We got it right because we understood that in DNA, guanine pairs with cytosine and thymine with adenine. Uracil replaces thymine and only occurs in RNA. Keep in mind, however, that you have 90 minutes to answer 115 questions.

Since: Aug 07

United States

#95358 Jun 28, 2012
I bet the person who did all that "Judging" didn't have a clue how to answer the quiz. I'm right!{shaking head yes} Ha ha ha!

Oh but they're 100% certain that evolution is true...LOL!

Since: Mar 12

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#95359 Jun 28, 2012
Everyone knows that aliens genetically engineered humans. That is, of course, the theory that should be taught in high school. My favorite theory though is simulated reality theory & I think the kids would have more fun studying it instead.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#95360 Jun 28, 2012
Urban Cowboy wrote:
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It's easy when you know it. It came from a practice test for biology CLEP. We got it right because we understood that in DNA, guanine pairs with cytosine and thymine with adenine. Uracil replaces thymine and only occurs in RNA. Keep in mind, however, that you have 90 minutes to answer 115 questions.
I got it by the application of logic. In the future I will use the folloing mnemonic:

tits 'n' ass ==> gonococcus

Since: Jun 12

Montréal, Canada

#95361 Jun 28, 2012
"Should evolution be taught in high school?"

...Once again, I'm amazed that this is still a legitimate topic of discussion.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#95362 Jun 28, 2012
CAN_PsychStudent wrote:
"Should evolution be taught in high school?"
...Once again, I'm amazed that this is still a legitimate topic of discussion.
It's not a legitimate topic of discussion. It's a right wing political topic of discussion.

Since: Jun 12

Montréal, Canada

#95364 Jun 28, 2012
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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It's not a legitimate topic of discussion. It's a right wing political topic of discussion.
Good to hear a voice of reason.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#95366 Jun 28, 2012
Did I miss something or is there a new warning about "being polite". It did not happen to me earlier today, but it did now when I put in a link to a perfectly inoffensive discussion on YouTube about evolution and Texas education. I had to send it twice, but it seems to have gone through okay and the second click.

Since: Sep 08

Everett, WA

#95367 Jun 28, 2012
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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It's not a legitimate topic of discussion. It's a right wing political topic of discussion.
Well, not exactly. Yes, certain right wing Christians have made it a high priority, but since they make it a topic by continually trying to force their agenda into schools it is a legitimate topic for this site. As I said, I just finished listening to the video that I linked and then I was interrupted by a door to door Bible thumper spreading the word about a gathering about 50 miles away from me. Ironic, isn't it? He left when I said that I was not superstitious.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#95368 Jun 28, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
Did I miss something or is there a new warning about "being polite". It did not happen to me earlier today, but it did now when I put in a link to a perfectly inoffensive discussion on YouTube about evolution and Texas education. I had to send it twice, but it seems to have gone through okay and the second click.
It's just a censorbot. It always warns me about posting a link to Project Steve, apparently because it's got /faq/ in the link. It's not a very good speller.

If it is my intention to be impolite I just put an accent on a vowel.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#95369 Jun 28, 2012
Subduction Zone wrote:
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Well, not exactly. Yes, certain right wing Christians have made it a high priority, but since they make it a topic by continually trying to force their agenda into schools it is a legitimate topic for this site. As I said, I just finished listening to the video that I linked and then I was interrupted by a door to door Bible thumper spreading the word about a gathering about 50 miles away from me. Ironic, isn't it? He left when I said that I was not superstitious.
I just ask them the age of the earth and if it's anything over a million years I give 'em a buck and take the handout. Mormons are sent packing more often than Jehovah's Witnesses, by the way.

Since: Jun 12

Montréal, Canada

#95370 Jun 28, 2012
I'm all for letting people believe in whatever they choose to believe.

However, when it comes to education, I think it's laughable to debate whether creationism should be given time in a science classroom.

Yes, evolution is a theory. Just like the theory of gravity. Of course, theories need constant revision to incorporate new evidence.

It's not like one scientist states his theory and everyone just has to believe that until the theory can be disproved.

Since: Mar 12

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#95371 Jun 28, 2012
CAN_PsychStudent wrote:
I'm all for letting people believe in whatever they choose to believe.

However, when it comes to education, I think it's laughable to debate whether creationism should be given time in a science classroom.

Yes, evolution is a theory. Just like the theory of gravity. Of course, theories need constant revision to incorporate new evidence.

It's not like one scientist states his theory and everyone just has to believe that until the theory can be disproved.
Might be more practical to teach high schoolers auto mechanics or how to use a debit card for those who will not become biologists or continuing on into the medical field. Teach them the scientific method of course. Theory will be irrelevant to the majority of them.

“Wear white at night.”

Since: Jun 09

Albuquerque

#95372 Jun 28, 2012
Libertatem wrote:
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Might be more practical to teach high schoolers auto mechanics or how to use a debit card for those who will not become biologists or continuing on into the medical field. Teach them the scientific method of course. Theory will be irrelevant to the majority of them.
Where do you figure the next generation of Biologists will come from if you don't expose them to the subject? or Physicists? or Chemists? Just because you didn't continue past high school doesn't mean no one has.

Since: Jun 12

Montréal, Canada

#95373 Jun 28, 2012
Libertatem wrote:
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Might be more practical to teach high schoolers auto mechanics or how to use a debit card for those who will not become biologists or continuing on into the medical field. Teach them the scientific method of course. Theory will be irrelevant to the majority of them.
Education is not about what is simply relevant. Learning the theoretical foundations of how our world works is important for everyone.

I would hope we don't need to teach students how to use a debit card.

And anyway, if you're not continuing on into biology and are so opposed to learning the theory, then don't take a biology class in high school.
Science cat

Danielson, CT

#95374 Jun 28, 2012
Oh boy, the morons are agreeing with themselves under different names, again and again, ad nausium.
Science monkey

Danielson, CT

#95375 Jun 28, 2012
Shhhh, nobody's supposed to know.

Since: Mar 12

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#95376 Jun 28, 2012
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
<quoted text>Where do you figure the next generation of Biologists will come from if you don't expose them to the subject? or Physicists? or Chemists? Just because you didn't continue past high school doesn't mean no one has.
Let me ask you a question. Do you think the majority of high school students who continue on into higher education will major in chemistry or engineering? Biology or business?

I'm not sure if you intentionally missed my point or not. Let me rephrase it more directly. Teaching theory within any high school course will probably not benefit the majority of HS graduates & that time would be better spent teaching them what they will actually benefit from.

This is why federally managed education is a problem. Not enough choice in the curriculum you would like your children to study.

Since: Mar 12

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#95377 Jun 28, 2012
CAN_PsychStudent wrote:
<quoted text>Education is not about what is simply relevant. Learning the theoretical foundations of how our world works is important for everyone.

I would hope we don't need to teach students how to use a debit card.

And anyway, if you're not continuing on into biology and are so opposed to learning the theory, then don't take a biology class in high school.
Been awhile since I was in HS but I thought biology was a requirement for grad. Is this incorrect?

“I am Sisyphus”

Since: Nov 07

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#95378 Jun 28, 2012
15th Dalai Lama wrote:
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I just ask them the age of the earth and if it's anything over a million years I give 'em a buck and take the handout. Mormons are sent packing more often than Jehovah's Witnesses, by the way.

Mormons are quite the group. When you are asked to prove that people will believe anything they are a handy reference.

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