Should evolution be taught in high school?

Feb 24, 2008 | Posted by: Cash | Full story: www.scientificblogging.com

Microbiologist Carl Woese is well known as an iconoclast. At 79 years of age, Woese is still shaking things up. Most recently, he stated in an interview with Wired that...

"My feeling is that evolution shouldn't be taught at the lower grades. You don't teach quantum mechanics in the grade schools. One has to be quite educated to work with these concepts; what they pass on as evolution in high schools is nothing but repetitious tripe that teachers don't understand."

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TedHOhio wrote:
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Not in the least, on paper our education is equivilent, even our earnings are in the same ballpark.
As for me, I notice you didn't bother explaining whether or not you have a job and how the people who work with you ... and god-help the people who might work for you ... manage to put up with you.
But like I said, why would I believe a single thing you say about yourself. You have told plenty of lies, did your best to abuse other people when they attempt the point out your pack of lies to you, and for the most part you come across like a pimple on a syphillic whore's ass. So I really don't care what you claim.
BTW, in case you missed it, you were insulted -- and a much more creative one that you managed to come up with when you use grade-school insults. You can always ask someone to explain it to you.
Because it's the truth?

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MikeF wrote:
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Do whatever you like.
I suppose this is nothing like the time you challenged me about what I did for my fellow man and, when I answered, you gave me a load of shit.
No. Nothing like it. No sirree.
I still say it's rather pretentious to brag about charity work. Creepy really. I work with the homeless shelter but don't go around putting on airs about it. That would be classless. A real man would stop on the side of the interstate and gladly help change a strangers old worn out tire and then never tell anyone. That's true charity.

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TedHOhio wrote:
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As you can tell I really don't believe you, and I really don't care about your forgiveness.
Noted.

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I still say it's rather pretentious to brag about charity work. Creepy really.
Creepy??? Doesn't take much to creep you out, does it, Urb. I hadn't realized you were that much of a wuss.
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I work with the homeless shelter but don't go around putting on airs about it. That would be classless.
You just did.
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A real man would stop on the side of the interstate and gladly help change a strangers old worn out tire and then never tell anyone. That's true charity.
You don't know the half of it.

You are consistent, I'll say that. One set of rules for yourself and one set for everyone else. You can respond to a challenge but no one else should. Creation science can start with a conclusion but real science cannot (and does not). You epitomize hypocrisy.

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Instead of being here trying to insult someone else you need to get back over to the other thread and formulate a reply to that comment I left for you two days ago, loser.
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Why? You haven't answered anything I've asked you about. You haven't presented your list of scientifically proven Biblical Statements, you haven't presented a list of scientific achievements that can be directly attributed to creationism, you haven't really tried to support your own statements.

What you have done is pontificated, preached, dodged, and when cornered, do your best to change the subject.

As to my insulting someone else, that's not really your concern. Even those with the patience of a proverbial saint get a little tired of putting up with some of the comments in here. Since I certainly do not have that level of patience, I got tired of it much more quickly.

At least you properly attribute your quote-mines, he simply changes the meaning and treats it as a quote.
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<quoted text>He does like to bird dog Christians, mercilessly. He's a naughty Dude.
Not Christians in general, fundies.

And yeah, I am a naughty Dude.

;-p

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I'm not familiar with the term. Is that something you do with your Banana Bike?
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Urban Cowboy wrote:
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You are the one who brought them up. They're not my heros. All three of them have certainly made major contributions to ID,
Great! Any of them come up with a "scientific theory" of ID yet?
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but remember, I am a young earth creationist. Do you know the difference?(I doubt it!)
Yeah, ID pretends it's not stupid for legal reasons, creationism simply openly admits it's stupid.
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Urban Cowboy wrote:
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I have a Bachelor's (Honors) from Saint Leo University, a Master's degree from Florida Atlantic University; I'm a Certified Public Account; pilot's license, scuba certified; and I make well into the 6 figures. That ought to shut your hubris trap for awhile. Isn't that right Ted?
Ah, that explains it. You stayed under for too long breathing pure O2.

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Putsoa _pududu hape wrote:
Yes, let evolution be taught in high schools. But since this would offend some people, rather not teach about it as evolution, but "ORGANIC HISTORY, ORGANISMIC HISTORY" or something like that. JUST DON'T DENY CHILDREN THE FACT THAT THERE HAVE BEEN OTHER ORGANISMS LIVING ON OUR PLANET MILLIONS OF YEARS AGO DESPITE WHAT THE WESTERN RELIGION CLAIMS.
I think that by refusing to call it what it is, we would be making a mistake. Evolution is a viable, proven theory, and it would be wrong to disguise it to avoid 'offending' people. When we do that, we are just promoting ignorance of it. It is possible for creationism and the theory of evolution to coexist, and people need to learn that. Children are the future, and it's our job to educate them. We can't do that when we're dancing around the truth in order to avoid offending people.
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Urban Cowboy wrote:
I am a very friendly person who treats everyone with utmost respect *UNTIL* they demonstrate repeatedly that they are clearly dishonest, dishonorable, beneath contempt and totally worthless to me. That would be YOU Ted. If you would stop it I may even forgive you.
Except while you're on the interwebz you're a typical dishonest disrespectful hypocritical fundie liar for Jesus.(To be demonstrated again in two days time).
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Instead of being here trying to insult someone else you need to get back over to the other thread and formulate a reply to that comment I left for you two days ago, loser.
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Instead of being here trying to insult someone else you need to get back over to the other threadS (plural) and formulate a reply to that comment a number of people left for you weeks ago.

"Loser" is redundant in your case.

Fingers or toes, Nerd?

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Eh... just to point something out guys, but all the ad hominem attacks going on between people (on BOTH sides) make everyone make your legitimate arguments look a lot less credible. Not retaliating against things like this, and keeping your language calm is a much better way to make the other person's argument collapse. Plus arguments stemming from religious beliefs tend to overflow with ipse dixits, appeals to tradition, arguments from silence, arguments from ignorance, argument ad populum, and the infamous invincible ignorance fallacy, along with a lot of other logical fallacies. Pointing those out goes a long way towards discrediting someone's argument, and makes it so much cleaner, too.

Just a thought.

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WordofPen wrote:
Eh... just to point something out guys, but all the ad hominem attacks going on between people (on BOTH sides) make everyone make your legitimate arguments look a lot less credible. Not retaliating against things like this, and keeping your language calm is a much better way to make the other person's argument collapse. Plus arguments stemming from religious beliefs tend to overflow with ipse dixits, appeals to tradition, arguments from silence, arguments from ignorance, argument ad populum, and the infamous invincible ignorance fallacy, along with a lot of other logical fallacies. Pointing those out goes a long way towards discrediting someone's argument, and makes it so much cleaner, too.
Just a thought.
Valid point but we'll see if you still feel this way in a couple of years.
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WordofPen wrote:
Eh... just to point something out guys, but all the ad hominem attacks going on between people (on BOTH sides) make everyone make your legitimate arguments look a lot less credible. Not retaliating against things like this, and keeping your language calm is a much better way to make the other person's argument collapse. Plus arguments stemming from religious beliefs tend to overflow with ipse dixits, appeals to tradition, arguments from silence, arguments from ignorance, argument ad populum, and the infamous invincible ignorance fallacy, along with a lot of other logical fallacies. Pointing those out goes a long way towards discrediting someone's argument, and makes it so much cleaner, too.
Just a thought.
Um, thanks. But the arguments were destroyed long before they got here. Then they were again when they got here. Then they started lying and it all snowballed downwards from there. Unfortunately you appeared far too along into the uh, "debate".

I tend to be nicerer to new fundies, until they start lying in which case the kid gloves come off. Some (like Urb and Nerd) are beyond saving.
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Evoulation is reatarded, how can you people think it is scientifically possible? it ponders me and your all gay!
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Evoulation is reatarded, how can you people think it is scientifically possible? it ponders me and your all gay!
A well thought out argument against evolutionary theory - you sold me on it

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MikeF wrote:
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Hey, Liam! Not to worry. You haven't missed much. Same old...
Sadly, that is just what I expected...

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Urban Cowboy wrote:
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Instead of assuming it, shouldn't you get some evidence first?
(Sorry - I couldn't resist that!)
And this is an OUTSTANDING example of the utter failure of creationism. Take one small piece out of context, and pretend that it somehow proves your point, while ignoring the fact that it fully and completely supports evolution when read in its full context.

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No wonder you know so little about science. You head is too full of bicycle part specs.
Science? What the hell are you talking about? Your creationist claptrap has nothing to do with science.

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