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Apr 26, 2008

Disciplined Pharmacist Takes Religious Discrimination Case to Wis. High Court

A Wisconsin pharmacist who was punished with over $20,000 in court fines and restrictions on his license for refusing to hand a patient prescription that could be used for an abortion is appealing his case to ...

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"abandoned even the steps necessary to perform in a minimally competent manner under any standard of care,"

thats the crux of the argument...
He will not win on that statement.

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Should a gun and ammunition salesman be forced to sell guns or ammunition to a person that says he is planning to kill himself or others?

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Should a gun and ammunition salesman be forced to sell guns or ammunition to a person that says he is planning to kill himself or others?
Said gun and ammunition salesman has strict guidelines as to whom he can sell them to. He doesn't get to make his own choice in that matter.

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1noteasilyfooled wrote:
<quoted text>Said gun and ammunition salesman has strict guidelines as to whom he can sell them to. He doesn't get to make his own choice in that matter.
I guess that is the point of the matter. If there are no laws forcing the pharmacist to sell to a person they have the right to refuse service to anyone.

All companies, stores & businesses have the right to refuse service.

That people are complaining that it is based on religious reasons is a loop hole. If the pharmacist says it is because he thinks the baby is alive and it would be murder not based on religious reason but on his belief in science they would have no case.

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I guess that is the point of the matter. If there are no laws forcing the pharmacist to sell to a person they have the right to refuse service to anyone.
All companies, stores & businesses have the right to refuse service.
That people are complaining that it is based on religious reasons is a loop hole. If the pharmacist says it is because he thinks the baby is alive and it would be murder not based on religious reason but on his belief in science they would have no case.
The pharmacist is/was employed to carry out the dispensing of medication. The duties of a pharmacist are to act as a learned intermediary between patients and other healthcare providers to ensure that proper medical therapy is chosen and implemented in the best way possible.
It is NOT to choose whether or not a medicine is dispensed or not based on 'personal' belief.

If this person has those beliefs then this person should find some other line of work such as a pastor or lay pastor or ministerial leader.

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Taranis wrote:
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I guess that is the point of the matter. If there are no laws forcing the pharmacist to sell to a person they have the right to refuse service to anyone.
All companies, stores & businesses have the right to refuse service.
That people are complaining that it is based on religious reasons is a loop hole. If the pharmacist says it is because he thinks the baby is alive and it would be murder not based on religious reason but on his belief in science they would have no case.
PS. There ARE laws.. a pharmacist must be licensed. There are rules and laws in all 50 states.

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I don't see a problem with religious believes, but pushing their religious believes on someone else is where I have the problem.

Not providing abortion pills because of a religious believe is pushing your own agenda on someone else.

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1noteasilyfooled wrote:
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If this person has those beliefs then this person should find some other line of work such as a pastor or lay pastor or ministerial leader.
Or, the person complaining that the pharmcist isnt helping them muder their baby can simply go to another store andget it from someone who doenst have a problem with it. Problem solved and everyone happy.

Oh, and as I have pointed out in many aboriton threads, some people are opposed to it without religious cause. Do they have to become pastors too even if they arent believers?

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"That people are complaining that it is based on religious reasons is a loop hole."

It's not a loophole at All.. It's plain fact of the matter..

"If the pharmacist says it is because he thinks the baby is alive and it would be murder not based on religious reason but on his belief in science they would have no case."

It is none of his business.. He has No right on these grounds,,what so ever..
The doctors Script over rules any authority he has and goes against the Dr. orders..
If it were me,, I'd be hunting his license to Dispense ..

Religious Beliefs are No Grounds..
It's the same a RC Pharms refusing to dispense Birth control pills..
If they don't like it,, they should be in a different profession, or hand it off to another Pharm..

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1noteasilyfooled wrote:
<quoted text>PS. There ARE laws.. a pharmacist must be licensed. There are rules and laws in all 50 states.
Taxi drivers are licensed in all 50 states and they refuse service to people all the time.

All bars are licensed and they refuse service. If a bar won't serve you you can go boo hoo it is because I'm black or it could be that you are an asshole or just plain not good for business. If you start fights or talk religion and politics in the bar and the bar does not want that and tells you to leave go someplace that wants to talk about politics. Bartenders tell people all the time I don't want your business, Pharmacist should have the same right to say I don't want your business. If it become so prevalent in society that it is difficult to find a pharmacist that will provide the service then the government needs to open a pharmacy that will sell everything, other then that they are PRIVATELY owned businesses that can refuse service to anyone.

If a person does not like the service they receive from their pharmacist, go to another pharmacist and quit whining that they are being discriminated on because of their religious belief.

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Or, the person complaining that the pharmcist isnt helping them muder their baby can simply go to another store andget it from someone who doenst have a problem with it. Problem solved and everyone happy.
Oh, and as I have pointed out in many aboriton threads, some people are opposed to it without religious cause. Do they have to become pastors too even if they arent believers?
If they are opposed to it they do not have to participate. It's the 'forcing' someone else to 'abide' is the problem.. very simple and straight forward.
I do NOT believe in "your" kind of religion nor the type practiced in your church. I however, do not force you to do what I do.
I only 'force' you to do what you do to YOURSELF.

If they aren't 'beleivers' they can become truck drivers, factory workers, wall street execs or better yet Marines!

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Taranis wrote:
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Taxi drivers are licensed in all 50 states and they refuse service to people all the time.
All bars are licensed and they refuse service. If a bar won't serve you you can go boo hoo it is because I'm black or it could be that you are an asshole or just plain not good for business. If you start fights or talk religion and politics in the bar and the bar does not want that and tells you to leave go someplace that wants to talk about politics. Bartenders tell people all the time I don't want your business, Pharmacist should have the same right to say I don't want your business. If it become so prevalent in society that it is difficult to find a pharmacist that will provide the service then the government needs to open a pharmacy that will sell everything, other then that they are PRIVATELY owned businesses that can refuse service to anyone.
If a person does not like the service they receive from their pharmacist, go to another pharmacist and quit whining that they are being discriminated on because of their religious belief.
Don't deflect here.. medical licensing is totally different from a 'bar' or 'taxi' or even 'real estate'

Wanna quack for a doctor? can't wait until your on a trauma center room gurney and the Physician is an atheist or better yet a muslim.. what are ya gonna do?

You had better hope and pray to your god he/she has ethics!

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the government needs to open a pharmacy that will sell everything,
My pharamcy IS owned and operated by the government.. thanks for paying your taxes! PLUS, I don't have to worry about anyones religious/personal beliefs being imposed.. they get fired! They are there to perform a job.. period.

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1noteasilyfooled wrote:
<quoted text>If they are opposed to it they do not have to participate. It's the 'forcing' someone else to 'abide' is the problem.. very simple and straight forward.
Like forcing someone to provide a service they are not legally bound to perform? That kind of forcing?

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1noteasilyfooled wrote:
<quoted text>Don't deflect here.. medical licensing is totally different from a 'bar' or 'taxi' or even 'real estate'
Wanna quack for a doctor?
This isnt a doctor and many doctors also do not perform abortions. The whole oath thing they take to protect life and all.

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1noteasilyfooled wrote:
<quoted text>My pharamcy IS owned and operated by the government.. thanks for paying your taxes! PLUS, I don't have to worry about anyones religious/personal beliefs being imposed.. they get fired! They are there to perform a job.. period.
Then I suggest you go there to get your aboriton pills.
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I guess that is the point of the matter. If there are no laws forcing the pharmacist to sell to a person they have the right to refuse service to anyone.
All companies, stores & businesses have the right to refuse service.
If the store carries the pill in question, it has made the choice to serve those customers, regardless of the wishes of the employees.

He should have lost his license entirely.

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If the store carries the pill in question, it has made the choice to serve those customers, regardless of the wishes of the employees.
He should have lost his license entirely.
Lucky for the rest of the world, you dont make the rules.
If he were Jewish or Muslim, this wouldnt be an issue.

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I don't see a problem with religious believes, but pushing their religious believes on someone else is where I have the problem.
Not providing abortion pills because of a religious believe is pushing your own agenda on someone else.
No, it is practicing your personal beliefs. Did he try to keep this person from going somewhere else? Did he jump on the counter and start preaching damnation? No, he just didnt sell it to her.

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Taranus
"That people are complaining that it is based on religious reasons is a loop hole."
It's not a loophole at All.. It's plain fact of the matter..
"If the pharmacist says it is because he thinks the baby is alive and it would be murder not based on religious reason but on his belief in science they would have no case."
It is none of his business.. He has No right on these grounds,,what so ever..
The doctors Script over rules any authority he has and goes against the Dr. orders..
If it were me,, I'd be hunting his license to Dispense ..
Religious Beliefs are No Grounds..
It's the same a RC Pharms refusing to dispense Birth control pills..
If they don't like it,, they should be in a different profession, or hand it off to another Pharm..
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And this my friends is fascism.
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