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Intelligent Design: Coming To A State Legislature Near You

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Easter Bunny Arroyo Seco, NM	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #5267 May 17, 2008 Easter Bunny wrote: <quoted text> But a new light-only ball is cheap. I mean, light-only mouse, or track-ball with light. Me, I use a pointing stick on ThinkPad. It's a strain-guage, so it has no moving parts.
American Voter Kuttawa, KY	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #5268 May 17, 2008 Easter Bunny wrote: <quoted text> The ball itself is fine. Remove the ring that holds it and clean the 3 little mounting points.(This assumes it's not one of those really old mice with wheels on two axels.) Early optical mice still had a ball that they scanned, so it could also be the window where the scanning light comes from. But a new light-only ball is cheap. Clean the mouse interior with rubbing alchol on a q tip. No water! You could short out the mouse. I could wax rhapsodic over the joys of a ball free optical mouse! Check it out, they are cheeeep!
Easter Bunny Arroyo Seco, NM	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #5269 May 17, 2008 No Taqiyya wrote: Now when all the brainy scientists can figure out how to stop DNA from proving a creator. I may listen to their circular rot. I loved it when Ben stein had the foolish minded scientists squirming in their cesspool of mindless neurons. It was worth the watching. Sure nice that you prefer the presentation of an entertainer to that of a scientist. Sorta tells us how much stock to put in your assessment.
hijinx Pomona, CA	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #5270 May 17, 2008 Judged: 1 1 1 ed crandall wrote: I can tell "inteligent design" has been wasted on most of the comments that I've read here. A thinking peson Knows that nothing just happens, all things are the result of a former action.(Intelligence) this will clear things up for you http://youtube.com/watch...
CR8VDO Joined: May 16, 2008 Comments: 99 St. Louis, MO ISP Location: Wickenburg, AZ	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #5271 May 17, 2008 Judged: 1 1 1 EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW! Get used to the idea. "Expelled" the movie has proven how bad science is. Come on! How many times in the past 30 years have you heard science state something, then come back and say, "oops! we were wrong" Science is NOT an exact science! One day you will all know the truth and your free will shall surely condemn you.
ZekeCDN Joined: May 16, 2008 Comments: 653 Halifax, Canada ISP Location: Halifax, Canada	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #5272 May 17, 2008 CR8VDO wrote: Science is NOT an exact science! I see what you did there. But I'm not sure you did.
Darwins Stepchild “Are you pondering...” Joined: Dec 7, 2006 Comments: 6567 Hilbert Space ISP Location: AOL	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #5273 May 17, 2008 Judged: 2 1 CR8VDO wrote: EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW! Get used to the idea. "Expelled" the movie has proven how bad science is. Come on! How many times in the past 30 years have you heard science state something, then come back and say, "oops! we were wrong" Science is NOT an exact science! One day you will all know the truth and your free will shall surely condemn you. Sorry, dude, but Expelled has merely proved how dishonest the ID folk are. It all started with them misrepresenting themselves to the scientists they interviewed, and it only went downhill from there. http://www.expelledexposed.com/
StopTheInsanity Malvern, PA	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #5275 May 17, 2008 Judged: 2 1 CR8VDO wrote: EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW! Get used to the idea. "Expelled" the movie has proven how bad science is. Come on! How many times in the past 30 years have you heard science state something, then come back and say, "oops! we were wrong" Science is NOT an exact science! One day you will all know the truth and your free will shall surely condemn you. I'm trying to do some research on what underlies various perspectives on these forums. I have a few serious questions for you: CR8VDO wrote: EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW!... One day you will all know the truth and your free will shall surely condemn you. The originators of ID go to great lengths and expense to stress that ID does not necessarily involve a god, specifically the christian god. If you are a supporter of ID, and you know that the ID organizations strive to avoid religious implications, why do you push your overtly religious/christian message on a forum about ID? CR8VDO wrote: "Expelled" the movie has proven how bad science is. Come on! How many times in the past 30 years have you heard science state something, then come back and say, "oops! we were wrong" The scientific method openly and regularly self-corrects when new evidence demands so. For example, Einstein was wrong about a static universe and admitted that it was one of his biggest blunders (when Hubble proved him wrong). Why do you criticize the sciences for something that all scientists would readily admit to, and would also admit is one of the most essential aspects of scientific endeavor?

Easter Bunny Arroyo Seco, NM	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #5276 May 17, 2008 Judged: 2 1 CR8VDO wrote: EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW! Get used to the idea. "Expelled" the movie has proven how bad science is. Come on! How many times in the past 30 years have you heard science state something, then come back and say, "oops! we were wrong" Science is NOT an exact science! One day you will all know the truth and your free will shall surely condemn you. The way you described science changing its mind is EXACTLY what makes a scientific approach good and a non-scientific approach bad.
Easter Bunny Arroyo Seco, NM	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #5277 May 17, 2008 ZekeCDN wrote: <quoted text> I see what you did there. But I'm not sure you did. Sounds like a card-trick.
Easter Bunny Arroyo Seco, NM	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #5278 May 17, 2008 Judged: 1 CR8VDO wrote: EVERY KNEE SHALL BOW! Get used to the idea. "Expelled" the movie has proven how bad science is. Come on! How many times in the past 30 years have you heard science state something, then come back and say, "oops! we were wrong" Science is NOT an exact science! One day you will all know the truth and your free will shall surely condemn you. Boy, I'm looking forward to the time when somebody gets impatient with their god's lack of a sense of urgency and tries to take matters into their own hands. Just watch and learn.
Easter Bunny Arroyo Seco, NM	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #5279 May 17, 2008 Judged: 1 hijinx wrote: <quoted text>this will clear things up for you http://youtube.com/watch... It's just too bad that the topic has to be presented at such an elementary level, but considering the cognitive impairment of the target audience, I guess it's appropriate.
Tinka “Art is to live and create it..” Joined: Dec 6, 2006 Comments: 23906 United States ISP Location: Costa Mesa, CA	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #5280 May 17, 2008 Easter Bunny wrote: <quoted text> Boy, I'm looking forward to the time when somebody gets impatient with their god's lack of a sense of urgency and tries to take matters into their own hands. Just watch and learn. Hmmmmm....well I am guessing everyone is sort of just kinda going with the flow...till after 2011 as predicted now..it was 2012... Maybe people will get a little edgy afterwards if nothing happens... Well it's always interesting no matter what...to see what the new day will bring...
shinningelectr0n “My Life Is A Shell Game” Joined: May 18, 2007 Comments: 4076 Lapeer, MI ISP Location: Rhodes, MI	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #5281 May 17, 2008 Easter Bunny wrote: <quoted text> Um, no, I didn't say that I saw a confession in his message. You said that his message, what, "revealed"? a lot of negative things about him. I used the word "confession" as if to say that you’re saying his post confesses negative things about him. And "prop" in this context means the "device" he was using (was it a simile or metaphor, I forget) to try to explain it in the vernacular. Just because you didn't follow my language sufficiently to even understand if you agreed with me or not, that doesn't mean I committed a non-sequitur. Maybe if a few others would chime in here and tell me I'm being a bit too obtuse with my loose references, I would be motivated to tighten it up a bit. At least that might make it so you could take shots at my positions instead of my character. Is English your first language? Or the one of last resort? This:" Um, no, I didn't say that I saw a confession in his message. You said that his message, what, "revealed"? a lot of negative things about him. I used the word "confession" as if to say that you’re saying his post confesses negative things about him." is gibberish backpedaling. Your choice of words, analogies and comparisons of any sort need to be attacked with whisk broom and dustpan. I just finished reading several more of your recent postings that demand from the reader a crowbar and dental pick for information retrieval. Halting, foggy and nonsensical. Follow StopTheInsanity;write a book. After it flops, take a deduction. That's about the best advice I can offer. Yes, you did use the words 'confession' & 'prop' and, yes, you sound confused. Although, I can feel compassion towards you, I have nothing more to offer.
Tinka “Art is to live and create it..” Joined: Dec 6, 2006 Comments: 23906 United States ISP Location: Costa Mesa, CA	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #5282 May 17, 2008 I am going to write a book as well..short stories and poems...in the honor of a couple of little guys..:) Inspiration is the key... And the Universe is un-limited, un-knowing as is...just about everything else... Though people say they know for fact...it still all is speculation if you ask me.. The brain still so very un-discovered.. You know why??? Somple reason...for when people take medication...everyone reacts differently..well maybe not everyone...but people tend to get various side effects.. That alone right there proves me that you can't put it all in big bowl and say here is the dish.. It's a potluck...and many dishes are added... Life's a feast...and hopefully if you get fodd poisoning...it's not going to last all that long..and it will make you stronger...
Tinka “Art is to live and create it..” Joined: Dec 6, 2006 Comments: 23906 United States ISP Location: Costa Mesa, CA	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #5283 May 17, 2008 SOmple...hmmm some people reason??? Simple reason however...and yes it was supposed be food...
Tinka “Art is to live and create it..” Joined: Dec 6, 2006 Comments: 23906 United States ISP Location: Costa Mesa, CA	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #5284 May 17, 2008 Big bowl...A big bowl...It is easy to say here was the big bang...and wualah... Well it's far more interesting if there never were one..it has always been now what...Something had to been...and that is the way the cookie crumbles....
chipfle Monument, CO	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #5285 May 17, 2008 PoKay1kaDuB wrote: <quoted text>If a Designer exists, then it is not imaginary. And if the spaghetti monster is the Designer, so be it. The universe exists, a rational reasoning or understanding of it does not. We are not just saying the origins of the universe are not rational, the existence of it is also irrational as we cannot understand the "whole picture" of an infinite OR a finite universe. Except of coursee that rational sciencee works - gives us instant universal communications, gene therapies, space exploration, etc. Your mysticalism gave us almost 2000 years of dark ages with negative progress on every front. Rationalism WORKS, mysticalism is just ignorant laziness. Science WORKS because it is utterly empirical - keep models that work, discard or tune those that don't. Mysticalism is the exact opposite - keep any idea that makes the lazy ignorant feel special, hate anything that actually requires work to understand.Abiogenisis: Not an evolutionary process until replication occurs (Billions of complex organic molecules/cubic meter) (Billions of cubic meters) (Billions of different environments) (Billions of Joules of energy) (Billions of different energy forms (wavelengths, heat, discharges, etc)) (Billions of years)(Billions of semiterrestrial planets in the universe)-> One molecule sort of self replicates, evolution is off and running Any improbable event becomes a certainty when number of opportunities approaches the quantified improbability. Evolution: 1. Replicate imperfectly 2. Survive long enough to goto 1. Iterate Billions of times per year with massive parallelism. Evolution and complexity are inevitable.
Done That Wylie, TX	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #5286 May 17, 2008 Easter Bunny wrote: <quoted text> Me? Cheap? When was the last time you paid more for a bottle of wine than for an airline ticket? I'm just sayin'(as the kids like to say.) Mix LSD and spaghetti sauce its cheaper than the wine or airline ticket, you get a trip to Italy
Done That Wylie, TX	Reply » \| Report Abuse \| Judge it! \| #5287 May 17, 2008 Judged: 1 1 1 EADGBE wrote: <quoted text> The fuss is over the supernatural contention of a supernatural "designer". While given, it may actually be the "truth", it cannot be tested by science and so doesn't belong in a science class. To be predictive, science cannot invoke the supernatural as there is no way to predict the next action of the supernatural entity in question. It's really that simple. The mechanisms of "micro" and "macro" evolution are the same. Why are they valid for one application and not another? I'm sure you're aware that direct observation is not a prerequisite for a scientific study, e.g. forensics. We can deduce unobserved events through application of observable mechanisms with reasonable certainty. Again, the difference between ID and the ToE is that the ToE's explanation of biodiversity is a deduction based on the physical evidence ranging from molecular mechanisms producing variation (including mechanisms for dramatic alterations of body plans) to the direct observation of speciation events. The ToE indicates that the observations you would require for confirmation of "macroevolution" are at a scale beyond direct observation. However, recent investigation has yet again yielded insights into the process: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2008/04/st... Contrast this to the inference of ID based on an a priori assumption of a supernatural actor. With all due respect, what is the ID explanation for the fossil record? One other personal question I have with discounting the ToE explanation of biodiversity in favor of ID/creationism is why would the designer/creator act in a manner that so perfectly fits the natural explanation provided by the ToE but then expect us mere mortals to come to any other conclusion? To me this seems a bit like "trickery"... Cheers! Because if the designer created all things it created the workings we know as evolution. Some of the methods the designer uses we understand others are beyond our knowledge

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