This is a Cult?

HaShomer,

May I ask how you reconcile your belief that Jesus is not God with what He states in John 8:58?

The Greek clearly states "Before Abraham was born, I AM."

"I am" or "ego eimi"

And also Mark 14:62?

Why do you believe that the pharisees got so upset?

Respectfully,
NTY

HaShomer wrote:

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Hi Borh Again,
What you are saying, goes comepletely against the word of YHWH.
Debarim 6 4“Hear, O Yisra’el: YHWH our Elohim, YHWH is one!
Do you know where the concept of a trinity comes from. Do your research, please don't take my word for it. But if you are really seeking truth, the find out the truth.
If I may suggest reading the Council of Nicea 325AD I suggest starting with an encyclopedic explanation that way you are just reading facts, and then do your own research. I have! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_Council_of...

I get my information from the Bible not you or any councils .You do not have exclusive insight into scripture and in fact most of your Mesianic Jews believe in the Trinity which simply means .God was revealed to us as the Father , the Son and the Holy Spirit all through scripture they are not the same person but the same God .We have had Messianic Jews on here in the past they disagree with your interpretation so do not tell me what I believe is unscriptual like God has given you all insight and we are left without any knowledge and hope we can find someone like you . Nope , your completely intitled to what you believe more power to you but many Messianics would disagree with you to , so where does that leave you , see what I mean ? Have a blessed day .

I would like to suggest you get information someplace else other than wikipedia.

NotThereYet wrote:

HaShomer,
May I ask how you reconcile your belief that Jesus is not God with what He states in John 8:58?
The Greek clearly states "Before Abraham was born, I AM."
"I am" or "ego eimi"
And also Mark 14:62?
Why do you believe that the pharisees got so upset?
Respectfully,
NTY

LOL!

Trinity Dictionary:

'I am' continuous present form of the verb 'to be'. It means that you are God Almighty.

Born Again wrote:

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I get my information from the Bible not you or any councils .You do not have exclusive insight into scripture and in fact most of your Mesianic Jews believe in the Trinity which simply means .God was revealed to us as the Father , the Son and the Holy Spirit all through scripture they are not the same person but the same God .We have had Messianic Jews on here in the past they disagree with your interpretation so do not tell me what I believe is unscriptual like God has given you all insight and we are left without any knowledge and hope we can find someone like you . Nope , your completely intitled to what you believe more power to you but many Messianics would disagree with you to , so where does that leave you , see what I mean ? Have a blessed day .
I would like to suggest you get information someplace else other than wikipedia.

like danny's site?

Born Again wrote:

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I get my information from the Bible not you or any councils .You do not have exclusive insight into scripture and in fact most of your Mesianic Jews believe in the Trinity which simply means .God was revealed to us as the Father , the Son and the Holy Spirit all through scripture they are not the same person but the same God .We have had Messianic Jews on here in the past they disagree with your interpretation so do not tell me what I believe is unscriptual like God has given you all insight and we are left without any knowledge and hope we can find someone like you . Nope , your completely intitled to what you believe more power to you but many Messianics would disagree with you to , so where does that leave you , see what I mean ? Have a blessed day .
I would like to suggest you get information someplace else other than wikipedia.

You certainly have not been reading my posts, born again. If you had, you would see that all of my info comes from the word of YHWH!
Just because the whole world jumps off a bridge, does that mean you or I should jump off a bridge. When Messiah came the first time did everybody accept what he preached? The revelation of YHWH's word (OT & NT) is progressive, we receive it through the Set-Apart Spirit, if we are truly Born Again! "Like living water". If you don't agree with me, that is your parogative, I am nobody, but we all will have to account to the Creator someday.

NotThereYet wrote:

HaShomer,
May I ask how you reconcile your belief that Jesus is not God with what He states in John 8:58?
The Greek clearly states "Before Abraham was born, I AM."
"I am" or "ego eimi"
And also Mark 14:62?
Why do you believe that the pharisees got so upset?
Respectfully,
NTY

As pastor posted in one of the other subjects on this forum, Yahuahshua is the Membra, that is he is the(Wisdom, Essence, Thought, Word of YHWH) If all of this was in messiah Yahuashua in complete and total fullness, through the RuachHaKodesh, does he not have the right to say those words. But that does not mean that he physically existed in any form or shape. He was in the Father's bosom!

apologist wrote:

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like danny's site?

I made a suggestion to this website only because proclaiming truth asked me to post messianic sites that are non trinitarian in their beliefs, no private agenda. This site is not mine, nor I my related with them in any way, except that they have a congregation finder of non-trinitarian congregations, and we have the same non trinitarian belief.I have no connection with them whatsoever, besides some of the teaching that I believe are according to YHWH word!
Many of you here though, seem to have an agenda, which really does not accord to the word or bear the fruit of YHWH spirit. By their fruits you shall know them!

Gareth wrote:

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LOL!
Trinity Dictionary:
'I am' continuous present form of the verb 'to be'. It means that you are God Almighty.

Gareth,
I'm glad that the beliefs of others are so hilarious to you that you can laugh out loud.

My point being that Jesus spoke the languages of the day and certainly could have said "I have been" if He had meant to. He also could have said "I was." But Jesus did not choose to do so. He chose to say "I am." I AM was and is the name of the Almighty. And by claiming "I am", He infuriated the Jews around Him to the point of them wanting to kill Him. Blasphemy was a sin worthy of death. Stating that you simply existed when Abraham did was just worthy of being looked at like you were as crazy as some of the other loons that preached in the temples at that time.

HaShomer wrote:

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I made a suggestion to this website only because proclaiming truth asked me to post messianic sites that are non trinitarian in their beliefs, no private agenda. This site is not mine, nor I my related with them in any way, except that they have a congregation finder of non-trinitarian congregations, and we have the same non trinitarian belief.I have no connection with them whatsoever, besides some of the teaching that I believe are according to YHWH word!
Many of you here though, seem to have an agenda, which really does not accord to the word or bear the fruit of YHWH spirit. By their fruits you shall know them!

There are posters who point to a site that backs their thinking , and they throw mud at you for posting one you like, my agenda is to show the absurd thinking of some who post untruth here.

HaShomer wrote:

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You certainly have not been reading my posts, born again. If you had, you would see that all of my info comes from the word of YHWH!
Just because the whole world jumps off a bridge, does that mean you or I should jump off a bridge. When Messiah came the first time did everybody accept what he preached? The revelation of YHWH's word (OT & NT) is progressive, we receive it through the Set-Apart Spirit, if we are truly Born Again! "Like living water". If you don't agree with me, that is your parogative, I am nobody, but we all will have to account to the Creator someday.

How do you account for Messianis Jews that do believe in the Trinity?I am curious as to your thoughts on this subject.

HaShomer wrote:

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I made a suggestion to this website only because proclaiming truth asked me to post messianic sites that are non trinitarian in their beliefs, no private agenda. This site is not mine, nor I my related with them in any way, except that they have a congregation finder of non-trinitarian congregations, and we have the same non trinitarian belief.I have no connection with them whatsoever, besides some of the teaching that I believe are according to YHWH word!
Many of you here though, seem to have an agenda, which really does not accord to the word or bear the fruit of YHWH spirit. By their fruits you shall know them!

Excuse my ignorance- but is your faith also called 'Jews for Jesus". Like I said- excuse my ignorance.......just wondering...

NotThereYet wrote:

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Gareth,
I'm glad that the beliefs of others are so hilarious to you that you can laugh out loud.
My point being that Jesus spoke the languages of the day and certainly could have said "I have been" if He had meant to. He also could have said "I was." But Jesus did not choose to do so. He chose to say "I am." I AM was and is the name of the Almighty. And by claiming "I am", He infuriated the Jews around Him to the point of them wanting to kill Him. Blasphemy was a sin worthy of death. Stating that you simply existed when Abraham did was just worthy of being looked at like you were as crazy as some of the other loons that preached in the temples at that time.

Hi NotThereYet,
Your forun names says exactly how I feel!
If you would like to see, another viewpoint, which I am in agreement with, please go to;
http://assemblyoftrueisrael.com/Documents/I_A...
Yahushua the Messiah, is the first begotten of the Father in two ways :
1) The Father placed His Seed, through His Set-Apart Spirit into the egg of Myriam. No one else can claim this, except Messiah!
2)Messiah Yahuahshua is also the first begotten of the resurrection, so in essence, when He (Messiah) says before Abraham was I am, he is surely telling the truth.

The same as when Yahuahshua says, I saw hasatan, fall down like lighting, from the heavens. If you search the scriptures, you will see, that this does not happen until the end of days. Revelation 12:7 And there came to be fighting in the heaven: Mika’el and his messengers fought against the dragon. And the dragon and his messengers fought, 8but they were not strong enough, nor was a place found for them in the heaven any longer. 9And the great dragon was thrown out, that serpent of old, called the Devil and Satan, who leads all the world astray. He was thrown to the earth, and his messengers were thrown out with him. 10And I heard a loud voice saying in the heaven,“Now have come the deliverance and the power and the reign of our Elohim (YHWH), and the authority of His Messiah, for the accuser of our brothers, who accused them before our Elohim (YHWH) day and night, has been thrown down. 11“And they overcame him because of the Blood of the Lamb, and because of the Word of their witness, and they did not love their lives to the death. 12“Because of this rejoice, O heavens, and you who dwell in them! Woe to the earth and the sea, because the devil has come down to you, having great wrath, knowing that he has little time.”

NYNY wrote:

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Excuse my ignorance- but is your faith also called 'Jews for Jesus". Like I said- excuse my ignorance.......just wondering...

Hey NYNY,
Are you a Yankee, or a Mets fan?

Let's go Mets!!!!!

I am not part of the Jews for Jesus movement NYNY.
They really are part of the Assemblies of God, a trinitarian believing movement.

dee wrote:

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How do you account for Messianis Jews that do believe in the Trinity?I am curious as to your thoughts on this subject.

Hi dee,
The same way I would account for all of the christian denominations that do the same. They have not yet received the light.

HaShomer wrote:

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Hey NYNY,
Are you a Yankee, or a Mets fan?
Let's go Mets!!!!!
I am not part of the Jews for Jesus movement NYNY.
They really are part of the Assemblies of God, a trinitarian believing movement.

Yankees all the way!!!! I heard of JFJ but didn't quite know the difference- thanks for clearing that up.......and again- sorry for my ignorance....

apologist wrote:

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There are posters who point to a site that backs their thinking , and they throw mud at you for posting one you like, my agenda is to show the absurd thinking of some who post untruth here.

Hi apologist,
I don't believe in playing games when it comes to YHWH word!

I get my information from the Word of YHWH, and understanding, and conviction from RuchHaKodesh.
Yohanan (John) 16:7“But I say the truth to you. It is better for you that I go away, for if I do not go away, the Helper shall not come to you at all, but if I go, I shall send Him to you. 8“And having come, He shall reprovea the world concerning sin, and concerning righteousness, and concerning judgment – 9concerning sin because they do not believe in Me, 10concerning righteousness because I go to My Father and you see Me no more, 11concerning judgment because the ruler of this world is judged. 12“I still have many words to say to you, but you are not able to bear them now. 13“But when He comes, the Spirit of the Truth, He shall guide you into all the truth. For He shall not speak from Himself (Not a separate being or person), but whatever He hears He shall speak, and He shall announce to you what is to come. 14“He shall esteem Me, for He shall take of what is Mine and announce it to you. 15“All that the Father has is Mine. That is why I said that He takes from what is Mine and announces it to you.

I make references to sites that have some truth, but each one of us is responsible to search the scriptures to see if what is written by anyone including me, is truth.

If they speak not according to this word (YHWH), it is because they is no light in them!

NYNY wrote:

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Yankees all the way!!!! I heard of JFJ but didn't quite know the difference- thanks for clearing that up.......and again- sorry for my ignorance....

Hey NYNY,
We are all ignorant, we are all work in progress!
I cannot agree with your choice of NY teams.
Since 1969, I have been a Mets, fan! Though having grown up in NJ, the Yanks were my favorite team prior to 1969.

HaShomer wrote:

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Hey NYNY,
We are all ignorant, we are all work in progress!
I cannot agree with your choice of NY teams.
Since 1969, I have been a Mets, fan! Though having grown up in NJ, the Yanks were my favorite team prior to 1969.

Sat in the bleachers in YS as a kid- now I can afford better seats- LOL !!!! Were you a New Yorker? My husband and son are die- hard Yankee fans! Don't let there be a Sox game- Oh- the fight is on!!! They do always get opening day tickets. I really enjoy baseball games- I usually defer my tickets to one of the guys....and thanks for being a kind soul and not getting insulted....really appreciate it!

HaShomer wrote:

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Hi apologist,
I don't believe in playing games when it comes to YHWH word!

I agree wholeheartedly.