Many Tennessee restaurants will ban guns

and they still have to meet the requirements that the other law on the bokks has for permit holders. If it doesnt have the TCA code and similar wording it isnt enforceable. No guns, or no weapons wont work. I will still have my weapon anyway. I rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6.

The so called "guns in bars" law is in effect. I am still waiting to hear about the bloodbath that happened because permit holders were out drinking. Or maybe where police have had to arrest a drunked permit holder. Maybe where a permit holder has lost his right to carry because he was drinking while armed. Because it hasnt happen. I however keep hearing about thugs (non-permit holders) running around shooting each other. And I still havent seen many restaurants that have put up signs.

Larry wrote:

The so called "guns in bars" law is in effect. I am still waiting to hear about the bloodbath that happened because permit holders were out drinking. Or maybe where police have had to arrest a drunked permit holder. Maybe where a permit holder has lost his right to carry because he was drinking while armed. Because it hasnt happen. I however keep hearing about thugs (non-permit holders) running around shooting each other. And I still havent seen many restaurants that have put up signs.

I hear ya!

So do the cops have to leave their guns in their cars?

It's no different. If a law abiding citizen has obtained a permit to carry a concealed weapon then they should be allowed to carry their guns and not be harassed.

It really doesn't matter how much banning they do unless they put up metal detectors at the doors and have someone manning them people with permits will carry them with them.

Funny how the liberals are worried about the law abiding citizens having the right to protect themselves from armed criminals. Only stupid people think laws prevent crime. I also
think its stupid that the government has to
run an AD campaign to tell people not to commit
crime, Like the "GUN CRIME GETS ALL THE TIME"
or "BOOZE IT AND LOOSE IT" why do we as taxpayers
have to pay millions just to tell stupid people
not to break the law. REDUCE GOVERNMENT SPENDING, QUIT ADVERTISING TO CRIMINALS, NOT TO BREAK THE LAW.

I ate lunch with a bunch of pistol packing cops this weekend. One of them (in uniform) was wearing his ball cap backwards and I dare say not one of them was over 25 years of age and they certainly acted the part. I thought they were mall cops or possibly EMT's till I saw the guns and the Cop cars outside with 20 bikes strapped on the racks.

This gives me a warm and fuzzy feeling.

Sam wrote:

and they still have to meet the requirements that the other law on the bokks has for permit holders. If it doesnt have the TCA code and similar wording it isnt enforceable. No guns, or no weapons wont work. I will still have my weapon anyway. I rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6.

So you're actually breaking the law if you don't agree with it?

Hello wrote:

So do the cops have to leave their guns in their cars?
It's no different. If a law abiding citizen has obtained a permit to carry a concealed weapon then they should be allowed to carry their guns and not be harassed.
It really doesn't matter how much banning they do unless they put up metal detectors at the doors and have someone manning them people with permits will carry them with them.

If a place post against firearms the Police may only enter if on offical police business. Eating a meal is not police business. So yes the police are obligated to leave their firearms in their vehicle. There was a case where 5 police officers were obeying the law and the place was robbed. There they sat not one firearm between then. Then we have some officers who think they are above the law and because they are police no one will question of confront them, which is true till they meet up with someone who pushes the issue and has them arrested. If a place is not posted now the officer may carry just like a permit holder. The reason the restruant industry doesn't like the law is it makes them the heavy and they know that most permit holders like me do not patronize a posted business. I go where I feel welcome and spend my money there.

If you make it illegal or bar legitmate gun permit holders from carrying a gun then you open yourself up for mass shootings because illegal gun carriers and criminals are not going to care if its legal or not and if you disarm the people who could stop them then there is a bigger problem.I would also like to add I think permit holders SHOULD be allowed to carry guns in parks as well.

Dan wrote:

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If a place post against firearms the Police may only enter if on offical police business. Eating a meal is not police business. So yes the police are obligated to leave their firearms in their vehicle. There was a case where 5 police officers were obeying the law and the place was robbed. There they sat not one firearm between then. Then we have some officers who think they are above the law and because they are police no one will question of confront them, which is true till they meet up with someone who pushes the issue and has them arrested. If a place is not posted now the officer may carry just like a permit holder. The reason the restruant industry doesn't like the law is it makes them the heavy and they know that most permit holders like me do not patronize a posted business. I go where I feel welcome and spend my money there.

Wrong TCA 39-17-1350 was changed. Look it up though the TN general assembly webpage. The clause about police not carrying where alcohol is served has been removed. Posting is for permit holders only.

The law enforcement officer safety act of 2004 (Federal law) allows police officers to carry off duty in more places than state law. Federal law trumps state law, and some states are already changing their laws to match.

LeftrHander wrote:

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So you're actually breaking the law if you don't agree with it?

It isnt breaking the law. It is following the law to the letter. TCA gives guidlines for the posting. If a posting does not conform to the TCA code then you are not required to follow it. Just a sign that says no guns isnt legal, feel free to carry with your permit because if something was to happen, you would win if it went to court. I do not frequest esablishments with the correct signage, but the incorrect ones I go to just because I can.

Dan wrote:

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If a place post against firearms the Police may only enter if on offical police business. Eating a meal is not police business. So yes the police are obligated to leave their firearms in their vehicle. There was a case where 5 police officers were obeying the law and the place was robbed. There they sat not one firearm between then. Then we have some officers who think they are above the law and because they are police no one will question of confront them, which is true till they meet up with someone who pushes the issue and has them arrested. If a place is not posted now the officer may carry just like a permit holder. The reason the restruant industry doesn't like the law is it makes them the heavy and they know that most permit holders like me do not patronize a posted business. I go where I feel welcome and spend my money there.

Wow, maybe some of our local police need to be informed of that. Well, I don't think there are signs up at any local resturants. But what about banks and the post office. Aren't guns banned at both those places. I see cops in both all the time with gun on side and they are not only not on official business but conducting personal business while on the clock.

Why did that post THREE times?

Hello wrote:

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Wow, maybe some of our local police need to be informed of that. Well, I don't think there are signs up at any local resturants. But what about banks and the post office. Aren't guns banned at both those places. I see cops in both all the time with gun on side and they are not only not on official business but conducting personal business while on the clock.

Did you not read the posts under this one? TN changed TCA 39-17-1350 allowing "off duty" officers to carry firearms where alcohol is served. Posting does not keep off duty police officers from carrying. Also you need to look up the law enforcement safety act of 2004. This law was enacted to help protect off duty police officers by allowing them to carry off duty in all 50 states.

39-17-1350. Law enforcement officers permitted to carry firearms — Exceptions — Restrictions — Identification card for corrections officers
(a) Notwithstanding any provision of law to the contrary, any law enforcement officer may carry firearms at all times and in all places within Tennessee, on-duty or off-duty, regardless of the officer's regular duty hours or assignments, except as provided by subsection (c), federal law, lawful orders of court or the written directives of the executive supervisor of the employing agency.
(b) The authority conferred by this section is expressly intended to and shall supersede restrictions placed upon law enforcement officers' authority to carry firearms by other sections within this part.
(c) The authority conferred by this section shall not extend to a law enforcement officer:
(1) Who is not engaged in the actual discharge of official duties as a law enforcement officer and carries a firearm onto school grounds or inside a school building during regular school hours unless the officer immediately informs the principal that the officer will be present on school grounds or inside the school building and in possession of a firearm. If the principal is unavailable, the notice may be given to an appropriate administrative staff person in the principal's office;
(2) Who is consuming beer or an alcoholic beverage or who is under the influence of beer, an alcoholic beverage, or a controlled substance; or
(3)[Deleted by 2009 amendment.]
(4) Who is not engaged in the actual discharge of official duties as a law enforcement officer while attending a judicial proceeding.
(d) For purposes of this section,“law enforcement officer” means a person who is a full-time employee of the state in a position authorized by the laws of this state to carry a firearm and to make arrests for violations of some or all of the laws of this state, or a full-time police officer who has been certified by the peace officer standards and training commission, or a vested correctional officer employed by the department of correction.

The Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act (LEOSA) is a United States federal law, enacted in 2004, that allows two classes of persons—the "qualified law enforcement officer" and the "qualified retired law enforcement officer" -- to carry a concealed firearm in any jurisdiction in the United States, regardless of any state or local law to the contrary, with certain exceptions.

The LEOSA was considered during the 108th Congress as H.R. 218. It was signed into law by President George W. Bush on July 22, 2004 as Public Law 108-277. It is codified as 18 U.S. Code 926B (qualified law enforcement officers) and 926C (qualified retired law enforcement officers).
If a person is covered by the LEOSA, then "notwithstanding any other provision of the law of any State or any political subdivision thereof," he or she may carry a concealed firearm in any state or political subdivision thereof. See Title 18, USC, Section 921, which defines "state" to also include the District of Columbia, Puerto Rico and U.S. Possessions. Thus, the LEOSA-qualified person does not generally require a state-issued permit for carrying concealed firearms.

Carl wrote:

39-17-1350. Law enforcement officers permitted to carry firearms — Exceptions — Restrictions — Identification card for corrections officers
(a) Notwithstanding any provision of law to the contrary, any law enforcement officer may carry firearms at all times and in all places within Tennessee, on-duty or off-duty, regardless of the officer's regular duty hours or assignments, except as provided by subsection (c), federal law, lawful orders of court or the written directives of the executive supervisor of the employing agency.
(b) The authority conferred by this section is expressly intended to and shall supersede restrictions placed upon law enforcement officers' authority to carry firearms by other sections within this part.
(c) The authority conferred by this section shall not extend to a law enforcement officer:
(1) Who is not engaged in the actual discharge of official duties as a law enforcement officer and carries a firearm onto school grounds or inside a school building during regular school hours unless the officer immediately informs the principal that the officer will be present on school grounds or inside the school building and in possession of a firearm. If the principal is unavailable, the notice may be given to an appropriate administrative staff person in the principal's office;
(2) Who is consuming beer or an alcoholic beverage or who is under the influence of beer, an alcoholic beverage, or a controlled substance; or
(3)[Deleted by 2009 amendment.]
(4) Who is not engaged in the actual discharge of official duties as a law enforcement officer while attending a judicial proceeding.
(d) For purposes of this section,“law enforcement officer” means a person who is a full-time employee of the state in a position authorized by the laws of this state to carry a firearm and to make arrests for violations of some or all of the laws of this state, or a full-time police officer who has been certified by the peace officer standards and training commission, or a vested correctional officer employed by the department of correction.

You are correct Carl. My commission card states " Pursuant to TCA 39-6-1702, you are directed to be armed at all times you are away from your place of residence except when crossing state lines".
I will be bring up the law enforcement office safety act to my sheriff. Our cards may need to reflect that we can carry in all states.

Just eat elsewhere! If they don't want my money, There are plenty of other options!

I also believe that MOST permit holders are Responsible!

Looks like there were some cop bashers on here for a min, but in light of what the law says, thay shut up...LMAO!