IS BARACK HUSSEIN OBAMA THE ANTI CHRIST? read on...

People really need to read the Bible. Obama cannot be the anti-christ. He professes to be a Christian (anti-christ insinuates that he is not a believer in Christ). Besides the Bible states that nobody will know when the end is coming or who the anti-christ is. I think that the real problem that everybody has is that he is not white. If you are a Christian then you should have no fear and know that the end will happen regardless of how you vote. Live, love, and enjoy your time on earth. It is only a rest stop anyway.

To Pimentikeon,
You CAN'T pull up Shepherd's Chapel to look up anything. Google as well as others have pulled it from their search engines. An act of God probably, who said judgment would begin at his house.
However, I did look at Murray's statement of faith. And by the way, you can't always tell by someone's statement of faith just what they are teaching and including in their entire body of works. Again, other's, besides you, PIM, and Murray's other disciples, have studied Murray extensively and they find his doctrines off center from sound Christian doctrine. I have watched this guy on TV and it bothers me that he teaches in front of his prop, the American flag, as if that makes him more credible somehow. Besides, I do not believe politics and religion should mix and from reading my bible, NEITHER DID JESUS.
The racist issue aside, the fact that he teaches THE SERPENT SEED DOCTRINE is enough in itself, to disqualify him as teacher of sound doctrine.

THE SERPENT SEED DOCTRINE which is not his, but an old heresy that went way back past even William Branham who taught the same thing. In their terminology and thinking, "seed" implies "sperm". In other words, to Murray and Branham. Satan goes around sewing his "sperm", and these are the "bad people".

What the SERPENT SEED DOCTRINE implies, is that Satan has sex with Eve, and that's how Cain was produced, even though that directly contradicts the Genesis account.

In Murrays own words:


Serpent Seed

"What about teaching Serpent Seed? I make no apology for teaching the Word of God. In Matthew 13, our Lord and Saviour explains the Parable of the Sower directly to His disciples. He is very explicit about exactly who the sower of the bad seed really is. Matthew 13:37-39 states, "He (Jesus) answered and said unto them, He that soweth the good seed is the Son of Man. The field is the world; the good seed are the children of the kingdom; but the tares are the children of the wicked one; the enemy that sowed them is the devil; the harvest is the end of the world; and the reapers are the angels."

Let no one tell you Christ was speaking in a parable here for He was carefully explaining to His disciples the real meaning of the parable He had previously spoken to the multitude. He talked with them in private, and He used language that a child could understand. Christ's teaching of the seed of the devil (or serpent) was nothing new, it was taught from the beginning of Scripture - Genesis.

In Genesis 3:15 God is speaking to the serpent, "and I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shall bruise his heel." The bruising of the heel took place when Christ was nailed to the Cross. And finally, for those who still want further proof as to who the serpent really is; we read in Revelation 12:9, "and the great Dragon was cast out, that old Serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world." Now can anyone with eyes to see and ears to hear have any doubt or confusion about Satan's own seed?"

Anyway, yes, this is off topic, and since you are an apparent newcomer to the thread, you will soon find that it's like a wild uncontrollable beast that you will not be able to tame or dominate. It goes where it will, and is a venting place, and most people will pay little if any attention to what you have to say, because they all have their own opinions which are firmly set in place. You will not be able to find a pulpit or foothold here of any permanency or importance.

http://newsletters.cephasministry.com/murray5...

I don't know if Obama is the anti-Christ or not, but I do know he's a lying sack of s#!^.He's basically a communist pig and He and his wife are both extremely prejudice blacks that hate white people. A vote for him is a vote to sacrifice your freedom. A vote for him is a vote for the death of America. A vote for Obama is a vote for for someone that cares only for himself and not for this country. Obama and his wife should be executed for treason against the U.S. not elected President. We live in a country of fools.

SNJ wrote:

<quoted text>
(Psst: You need a tranquilizer before it's too late!!!)

This fighting about who and what teaches the Word of God has got to be the biggest reason why so many people DON'T want to read a Bible or become involved with Christianity.

First off, some of you make it look like you have to study for years to have an understanding of the Bible. As if it's intellectually out of reach for the common person. The truth is, the Bible is fairly simple and understandable. That's the way it's intended to be so that EVERYONE has the opportunity to learn the Truth. By picking it apart and arguing about how someone else interprets and teaches the Word you're leaving out God! Our main teacher is God, Jesus was sent by God to teach us - he did so in a simple way that was understandable to all who listened. The Bible is now the guide.

Rather than throwing stones at eachother over whose way is best, realize you're probably scaring people away from the Bible and Christianity rather than encouraging them to pick up a Bible and read it for themselves and let them begin their own personal relationship with God.

I may be fairly new to this but I do know that each of us is supposed to forge our own personal relationship with God, and each one of us can and will have a different relationship. Much like a father loves his children, he may love each of them differently and for different reasons, but he loves each of them none the less. There is no middleman needed to have a relationship with a good and loving parent, so why are some people making it seem that it's necessary to have a middleman to have a relationship with God?

I don't care who Murray is, I don't care what Murray teaches, nor do I care about what anyone else says is the way, the only way, the way they perceive will lead to God. Our way to God is an open path, the only obstruction is our own reluctence or refusal to walk that path or the fear that we must let someone else lead us. The Bible is the only compass we need.

Anubis is misguided to say the least!

Obamanation wrote:

<quoted text>
Excellent scholarship Pimintikeon. I confess I'd labored over the word "change" by looking in several different versions with no real luck. Mega busy today, but you're right a Concordance would solve these little mysteries and give illumination. It would be a joy to fellowship with you ..But yes as you say, we probably should stay in touch...
God bless all who love and serve the LORD.

I choose to remember the brother who posted this text above. I have asked you to drop the subject of Murray and you apparrantly can't. The word "strife" in the bible is used 39 times for a reason. It is used 10 times in the new testament. Luke 22:24, Rom 13:13, 1 corinthians 3:3,galations 5:20, Phillipians 1:15 and and 2:3, 1st Timothy 6:4 Hebrews 6:16, James 3:14 and 16. I have read Matt 's site as well. He appears to love the Lord as much as you do and is not intentionally trying to spread falshoods and asks to be corrected. Unfortunately his stats show, out of the 152,000 hits his site has gotten since 2001 only an average of over 1000 return. His beliefs are very very similar to mine and Murrays. He even believes in three forms of the rapture as to except other possible "orthodox views" Though I no longer believe in a pre-trib rapture I love people who do. My concern is that we all prepare for the trib. I do not see the benefit in contending over SC's doctrinal accuracies.
The word 'strife' in the greek is 'eritheia' 2052 in strongs concordance of the Bible. Though there are other meanings it generally means "contentious' when one is not able to let a thing go it means " Self seeking rivalry, "seeking to win followers creating factions". I have asked repeatedly that you drop the issue of SC and I will respectfully disagree with you and ask that you do the same. I have my endorsement from you above stating "Excellent Scholarship Pimentikeon" and confessing your labor over the understanding of a word of which I provided the meaning to you and you have my endorsment as one who loves the Lord who I thought I should keep in touch with. To that end let us take this discussion off of this forum and you can e-mail me at Pimentikeon@yahoo.com as I will not continue this debate on this blog. If you continue to post contentious blogs on the subject of SC I will simply keep reposting your above endorsment of me remembering the good times we shared. Hopefully we can get back on the topic of "the antichrist" which is the subject of the blog because even though Jesus christ is the focal point of the Gospel, If believers are not warned anti-christ comes first they are in danger of accepting the false messiah and all their other knowledg of Christ does little good, something you and I share a concern for. Let us return to our frienship and pray for each other. It is my hope that we can both be where we need to be for salvation purposes when Christ returns. If you were falling into a burning pit, I would extend my hand and use all my strength to pull you up and I hope you would do the same for me.
God bless you brother

OncebittenAOL wrote:

This fighting about who and what teaches the Word of God has got to be the biggest reason why so many people DON'T want to read a Bible or become involved with Christianity.
First off, some of you make it look like you have to study for years to have an understanding of the Bible. As if it's intellectually out of reach for the common person. The truth is, the Bible is fairly simple and understandable. That's the way it's intended to be so that EVERYONE has the opportunity to learn the Truth. By picking it apart and arguing about how someone else interprets and teaches the Word you're leaving out God! Our main teacher is God, Jesus was sent by God to teach us - he did so in a simple way that was understandable to all who listened. The Bible is now the guide.
Rather than throwing stones at eachother over whose way is best, realize you're probably scaring people away from the Bible and Christianity rather than encouraging them to pick up a Bible and read it for themselves and let them begin their own personal relationship with God.
I may be fairly new to this but I do know that each of us is supposed to forge our own personal relationship with God, and each one of us can and will have a different relationship. Much like a father loves his children, he may love each of them differently and for different reasons, but he loves each of them none the less. There is no middleman needed to have a relationship with a good and loving parent, so why are some people making it seem that it's necessary to have a middleman to have a relationship with God?
I don't care who Murray is, I don't care what Murray teaches, nor do I care about what anyone else says is the way, the only way, the way they perceive will lead to God. Our way to God is an open path, the only obstruction is our own reluctence or refusal to walk that path or the fear that we must let someone else lead us. The Bible is the only compass we need.

Frankly, I agree with you Oncebitten. However, I came out of the apostate church that DID'NT teach that truth, that "you have no need that any man teach you".

You happen to somehow have come to the place where you realize that all you need is a bible and the Holy Spirit as your guide and teacher.

Unfortunately, there are many others who are being misled everyday in this age of increasing deception, and falling into the most destructive doctrines.

It is NOT wrong, and it is not casting stones to call these out when they show themselves. I have cast stones at no one, including Murray, except for his questionable doctrines, but rather, have endured insults and lies in order to bring some light and correction in this matter.
I'm sorry if that upsets you. This has not been pleasant and I could easily have just ignored it hoping it would go away because frankly, I knew an attack would come the instant I leveled an objection, which it did.

In John Chapter One it explains that people don't come to the LORD because their deeds are evil. Anything else is really an excuse.

"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." 2Tim 4:2-4

SNJ wrote:

<quoted text>
(I'm here already but pls don't tell anybody)

ate obama he;s stupid :]
how do we know if he is making a promise to have peace!!!!!ugh i hate tis..

OncebittenAOL wrote:

This fighting about who and what teaches the Word of God has got to be the biggest reason why so many people DON'T want to read a Bible or become involved with Christianity.
First off, some of you make it look like you have to study for years to have an understanding of the Bible. As if it's intellectually out of reach for the common person. The truth is, the Bible is fairly simple and understandable. That's the way it's intended to be so that EVERYONE has the opportunity to learn the Truth. By picking it apart and arguing about how someone else interprets and teaches the Word you're leaving out God! Our main teacher is God, Jesus was sent by God to teach us - he did so in a simple way that was understandable to all who listened. The Bible is now the guide.
Rather than throwing stones at eachother over whose way is best, realize you're probably scaring people away from the Bible and Christianity rather than encouraging them to pick up a Bible and read it for themselves and let them begin their own personal relationship with God.
I may be fairly new to this but I do know that each of us is supposed to forge our own personal relationship with God, and each one of us can and will have a different relationship. Much like a father loves his children, he may love each of them differently and for different reasons, but he loves each of them none the less. There is no middleman needed to have a relationship with a good and loving parent, so why are some people making it seem that it's necessary to have a middleman to have a relationship with God?
I don't care who Murray is, I don't care what Murray teaches, nor do I care about what anyone else says is the way, the only way, the way they perceive will lead to God. Our way to God is an open path, the only obstruction is our own reluctence or refusal to walk that path or the fear that we must let someone else lead us. The Bible is the only compass we need.

I too agree with you. And I think your doing just fine friend.
May God continue to bless you.

Obamanation wrote:

<quoted text>
Frankly, I agree with you Oncebitten. However, I came out of the apostate church that DID'NT teach that truth, that "you have no need that any man teach you".
You happen to somehow have come to the place where you realize that all you need is a bible and the Holy Spirit as your guide and teacher.
Unfortunately, there are many others who are being misled everyday in this age of increasing deception, and falling into the most destructive doctrines.
It is NOT wrong, and it is not casting stones to call these out when they show themselves. I have cast stones at no one, including Murray, except for his questionable doctrines, but rather, have endured insults and lies in order to bring some light and correction in this matter.
I'm sorry if that upsets you. This has not been pleasant and I could easily have just ignored it hoping it would go away because frankly, I knew an attack would come the instant I leveled an objection, which it did.
In John Chapter One it explains that people don't come to the LORD because their deeds are evil. Anything else is really an excuse.
"Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove, rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine.For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables." 2Tim 4:2-4

It doesn't upset me for ME. It upsets me because things are happening and I know what they are. None of us can change what is going to take place. It's predetermined; predestined.

It upsets me to think that there are so many people who have that 'gut feeling' that something is going on but no one is telling them that the feeling they have is a message that they need to get their relationship with God in order and that they can do it just by picking up a Bible and reading it. That 'gut feeling' can't/shouldn't be ignored and they can't/shouldn't wait to see if it passes or wait to see if someone will explain it to them, they have to begin the journey on their own if need be, and the Bible will guide them the rest of the way.

I honestly don't think that the 'gut feeling' is something I alone have felt, I think many people have felt it too. Some have gone with it and have found their relationship with God, others have ignored it and still others don't understand it. It's up to us to help them understand it and encourage them, not to fight amongst ourselves.

By the way, As far as I have heard. Obama is NOT!!! a muslim. I'm voting for him what ever anyone says.

America needs a new vision, a new strength in these trouble times. Yes, I know the McCain may say he does not have the a foreign policy. However, I'm not concern with such matters. In the U.S. today, there are minors who do not have any type of medical care. Parents that are scared to take their children to a hosptial or just a doctor checkup because they are afraid that it will destroy them finacially. We live in a economy that is on the verge of collaspe. Yes, we have it better than many countries, but never the less, we need comeone to clean up the mess. I beleive that Obama can do this. I not here to preach the benefits of Obama. However, to call him an antichrist. Well, the antichrist in the American is not a person but lack of medical care and hunger.

By the way. I apologize for my grammer and spelling

OncebittenAOL wrote:

<quoted text>
It doesn't upset me for ME. It upsets me because things are happening and I know what they are. None of us can change what is going to take place. It's predetermined; predestined.
It upsets me to think that there are so many people who have that 'gut feeling' that something is going on but no one is telling them that the feeling they have is a message that they need to get their relationship with God in order and that they can do it just by picking up a Bible and reading it. That 'gut feeling' can't/shouldn't be ignored and they can't/shouldn't wait to see if it passes or wait to see if someone will explain it to them, they have to begin the journey on their own if need be, and the Bible will guide them the rest of the way.
I honestly don't think that the 'gut feeling' is something I alone have felt, I think many people have felt it too. Some have gone with it and have found their relationship with God, others have ignored it and still others don't understand it. It's up to us to help them understand it and encourage them, not to fight amongst ourselves.

aaaaaahhhhh! The sweet soothing sound of God's beautiful Spirit! Thankyou Jesus!! and Amen this post!

Rock Road wrote:

By the way, As far as I have heard. Obama is NOT!!! a muslim. I'm voting for him what ever anyone says.
America needs a new vision, a new strength in these trouble times. Yes, I know the McCain may say he does not have the a foreign policy. However, I'm not concern with such matters. In the U.S. today, there are minors who do not have any type of medical care. Parents that are scared to take their children to a hosptial or just a doctor checkup because they are afraid that it will destroy them finacially. We live in a economy that is on the verge of collaspe. Yes, we have it better than many countries, but never the less, we need comeone to clean up the mess. I beleive that Obama can do this. I not here to preach the benefits of Obama. However, to call him an antichrist. Well, the antichrist in the American is not a person but lack of medical care and hunger.

Rock - you want to count it down with me? It will make the time go by faster!

Days until we hear those sweet, sweet words "President-elect Obama":

101 days and counting.

Don't worry folks. If yobamma is elected president, he won't last a year. His admistration will be overthrown by the military. No, no vice president, no nancy pelosi, etc. The generals in the chiefs of staff will smell a dead fish here and will place him into custody for treason and other crimes against the United States. Look at it this way. When africans here in America take over a White neighborhood, what happens to that once thriving neighborhhod? It goes to shit, comparable to the color of the skin of the africans. It's all around you, and we are told to embrace diversity in our lives, neighborhoods and schools? Just look at the schools that have been taken over by the africans. They have gone to shit. The africans in America are mentally unable to manage themselves. It's kind of funny, the africans here have just got to have their leaders. White people don't need leaders. We have the God given capability to lead ourselves. We don't need White leaders. Hey, that would be racist. Keep the White House White.

Reverend Mikey wrote:

<quoted text>
Rock - you want to count it down with me? It will make the time go by faster!
Days until we hear those sweet, sweet words "President-elect Obama":
101 days and counting.

ill count it down with you mikey!! and the US will be a better, fairer and safer place with Obama at the helm.

Bob wrote:

Don't worry folks. If yobamma is elected president, he won't last a year. His admistration will be overthrown by the military. No, no vice president, no nancy pelosi, etc. The generals in the chiefs of staff will smell a dead fish here and will place him into custody for treason and other crimes against the United States. Look at it this way. When africans here in America take over a White neighborhood, what happens to that once thriving neighborhhod? It goes to shit, comparable to the color of the skin of the africans. It's all around you, and we are told to embrace diversity in our lives, neighborhoods and schools? Just look at the schools that have been taken over by the africans. They have gone to shit. The africans in America are mentally unable to manage themselves. It's kind of funny, the africans here have just got to have their leaders. White people don't need leaders. We have the God given capability to lead ourselves. We don't need White leaders. Hey, that would be racist. Keep the White House White.

Bob.. you disgust me. and everything you've written here is a reflection of the hearts of those spreading lies, fear and propoganda about Obama. You call yourself a follower of Jesus Christ?

chris wrote:

<quoted text>
Bob.. you disgust me. and everything you've written here is a reflection of the hearts of those spreading lies, fear and propoganda about Obama. You call yourself a follower of Jesus Christ?

Did I miss a previous post of Bob's where he actually said he was a Christian,(follower of Jesus Christ)?

The Bible says, "Out of the abundance of the heart, the mouth speaks". Bob has just revealed what's in his heart and it's not representative of being a obedient follower of Jesus Christ. I say this in defense of Jesus as well as believers who really do try to live up to Jesus commandments, which do not include hatemongering.

come on people he is not the anichrist!
some one tried to mention that to me before, and basically, i think they were a victim of republican propaganda
this is crazy, Obama is not a Muslim, nor the antichrist!

The absurd but very slanderous post that started this thread, has nothing whatever to do with Republicans, Christians, or the bible. There is nothing scriptural about it. It was probably a hoax perpertrated by a person with a very wicked mindset just wanting to stir trouble all the way around.
People can't blame everything that happens on Republicans, Bush, Jesus, Christians, or even Satan for that matter.

"Yahaim wrote:
Obama is the Anti-Christ. This is the evidence:
1.- He will come as a man of Peace (Obama promises peace in Iraq, defeat for the US)
2.- He will come mounted on a white Female horse(Obama mother is white who had 6 African husbands)
3.- He will come to deceive( Obama says he's a Christian but in fact he was born a Muslim, practices the Islamic religion, prays Friday’s facing Mecca)
4.- He will make himself the most powerful man on earth, if elected
5.- He will try to destroy the Jewish People and Israel( Obama has said he loves the Arabs specially the Palestinians, hates Israel and Jews. Admires Hitler, Osama etc)
6.- He will present himself as good and righteous but in fact he's Satan himself. Violence is in his heart
7.- Obama will help Al Qaida in its evil projects.
8.- Barack Hussein Obama is the “King of the South” predicted in the Bible.(Daniel .11, Kenya is south of Jerusalem)
9.- Obama comes to implant muslim Sharia Law upon America.
Obama is the Anti-Christ, beware of him.
Watch him and don't let you be deceived by Him.
Supporters of Obama: 1.5 billion Muslims, Oprah, Louis Farrakanh, Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton and all American Muslims.
OBAMA’S GAME IS DECEPTION AND VIOLENCE
A VOTE FOR OBAMA IS A VOTE FOR OSAMA AND KILLER ISLAM!!"