Can White People Go to Heaven?

Rational Tulsans wrote:

FRESH SWINE HIDE <---------- I sure told his ass off.

Think I'll have to put a bag over my head just to chat with you. I haven't had a scolding like that since I got caught sneaking out a window getting out of Sunday school class. You're brave too. Your Rabii give you blessing on this one? I would have. So, now are you ready to be fitted with your new fresh skinned pig jacket? I should have known that damn Wizzard could't do it. All he wanted was a bottle of Ripple, and a pack of Newports. Haven't seen him since. Which member of your cell are you. Your little sister is supposed to call me later. She'll give me what I want. She always has. What's all the ruckus about a comic book burned in Fla.

Rational Tulsans wrote:

I made him look like an ignorant damn fool (which is what he is). He will shut up now

I bet you're a lot more fun in person, up on stage. Think you could swing a backstage pass for me. That's it! Live from "PORCHMONKEY PALACE", the great debate of all topix times. I have to go now. It's your sister on the phone. Ever wonder why she spends so much time in the bathroom on the phone. I love technology. Especially video phones.

Justme I see you are saying that the path to your God is restricted to those that seek knowledge,is only open to those that choose to remain ignorant. How convenient is it to believe that to seek knowledge is to become a fool,almost sounds like the paradox of the fool in the Tarot deck.I believe even your own Bible tells you that the only thing actually written by Eheieh,(I AM that I AM),was the Ten Commandments and they were conveniently destroyed by Moses a prince of Egypt,trained in the mysteries. The Old Testament is a collection of stories of the people that were the slaves of Egypt many you can find in other histories. The New Testament was put together by an early religious power broker,(a man with an agenda), any where from 70 to 150 years after the death of the man Jesus. It was all written by the hand of man which means it had to come through the mind of man.

TFCN wrote:

Justme I see you are saying that the path to your God is restricted to those that seek knowledge,is only open to those that choose to remain ignorant. How convenient is it to believe that to seek knowledge is to become a fool,almost sounds like the paradox of the fool in the Tarot deck.I believe even your own Bible tells you that the only thing actually written by Eheieh,(I AM that I AM),was the Ten Commandments and they were conveniently destroyed by Moses a prince of Egypt,trained in the mysteries. The Old Testament is a collection of stories of the people that were the slaves of Egypt many you can find in other histories. The New Testament was put together by an early religious power broker,(a man with an agenda), any where from 70 to 150 years after the death of the man Jesus. It was all written by the hand of man which means it had to come through the mind of man.

I am far from being without knowledge. Just not the knowledge of man. Who is biased, who is stupid, who can't know what another man is doing even if he sees it because he doesn't know the motives of the man. Same with your history. Man made it up. It's a lie just like I was taught in grade school that Christopher Colombus landed in the US in 1492. It never happened. Same with your history about who wrote the bible. Most of the things were the fulfillment of the OT so to say someone without the spirit wrote it is a lie. I see clearly how it all fits together.



I'm convinced I got mine from God/Holy Spirit by revelation from Jesus Christ just like Paul did. The point being, you take your stuff and I'll take mine and we'll see who attains to eternal life or eternal death.

Note: I'm not saying all history is a lie. They were bound to get lucky once in a while at least about certain events.

Justme,Christians have to deny real history,because when one takes the time to check they find that it was the early christian church that madeup history to fit their agenda. What real history we have, had to survive the burning of both people and books by that church. If you go to the Jewish or the Roman history of the time you find nothing to very little,Jewish history has a minor revolt being led by a Rabbi,nothing about the birth or crucifiction. The book "The Dead Sea Scrolls" talks of a man known as The righteous teacher that could be Jesus but that name isn't there. Didn't you write about light and knowledge a while back,are you afraid of knowledge,that would seem to go against what I believe about the truth. My experience as a mystic can see the presence of spirit in everything when I take the time to still the mind. As I have said if you take the time to look all religious books have kernals of truth. Do you know anything about a singularity,perhaps the point where the instant and eternity are one,if you think about that just right God will tell you that there is nothing to fear in knowledge.

Sorry, when God reveals these things to you. There is no other option. It can't be any other way.

As far as the church, I already know. God is greater than the church and he is in control of his word. He didn't go off somewhere until the end. In him we live and move and have our being. He fills the universe. What power of man do you think could thwart his plans. God has allowed the churches to continue for the same reason Jesus spoke in parables, so they would be ever seeing and never perceiving, ever hearing and never understanding, until he brings destruction on all who love not the truth.

By the world's wisdom you will never know God. 1 Corinthians 1. The world's wisdom is all you have and you don't know God.

God sent Emanuel, as he was called in Isaiah, or Jesus/Messiah/teacher/Christ to be a sacrifice for sin. God came in a body to set man free from sin. It says in Ezekiel that God would take away our heart of stone and give us a heart of flesh, one that is careful to keep his commands. Being born again is what it's saying. The new has come and old is gone. I'm not the same person I was. The guilt of Adam has been removed so I have returned to the shepherd of my soul. I am predestined to do good works and all this is from God. I can't take any credit because I couldn't do it on my own.

He wasn't happy with the first covenant because the people were weak and didn't remain faithful, so he said in Jeremiah and Hebrews, then God added, "He would have another covenant to fix what ailed man. It's that simple. If you're still an old sinner then you need to get born again. Born again is an overused phrase but in truth it's saying the old person/heart was done away with and a new one is in it's place born of God. Spirit gave birth to spirit/a new heart.

You will find out on that day that I told you the truth. It will be too late then.

Btw, no one is going to heaven. The promise is a new heaven and a new earth where righteousness lives. If you aren't righteous...you ain't goin'.

Scripture is 2 Peter 3:


10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything in it will be laid bare.

11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, the home of righteousness.

As it says the present heavens(sky,universe)and the earth will be destroyed by fire. But a new earth for us to live on will be, as promised by God.

Justme,in the end you really aren't much different than Rational Tulsan or the Islamic terrorist,because of your fear and need to be unique your concept of God is very restricted. I will get my Qur'an out and look up a quote that fits you and the terrorist to a T. For now here is one from the Bhagavad-gita.

Chapter 4 text 35
"And when you have thus learned the truth,you will know that all living beings are but part of Me-and that they are in Me, and are Mine."

Now how is that truth any different from yours,what gives you exclusive access to Higher Consciousness,(God,Allah,whate ver). If we live in God doesn't that mean that God participates in life through US LIVING BEINGS. Perhaps as conscious beings it is our responsibility to create Heaven here on earth. What does it mean in that prayer of yours "Thy Kingdom come thy will be done ON EARTH AS IT IS IN HEAVEN.

BTW science can tell me that we live on a very dynamic earth subject to change at any time,just ask the Japanese. Perhaps it is time to think about what it is to be human and what we may be capable of doing for each other instead of using God as an excuse to do nothing because my god will take care of me.

I promised a quote that fits those that think my way or the highway when it comes to the Great Spirit that is the Higher Consciousness of Life,the Creator of all Awareness.

The Qur'an sura VI, paragraph 125
And whom Allah,(God),shall please to guide,that man's breast will He open to Islam;but whom He shall please to mislead,strait and narrow will He make his breast,as though he were mounting up into the very heavens! Thus doth Allah inflict dire punishment on those who believe not.

Those that think theirs is the only path to the creator of everything sounds like a description of someone with a strait and narrow breast. I think Jesus also had something to say about those that think themselves first.

TFCN wrote:

I promised a quote that fits those that think my way or the highway when it comes to the Great Spirit that is the Higher Consciousness of Life,the Creator of all Awareness.
The Qur'an sura VI, paragraph 125
And whom Allah,(God),shall please to guide,that man's breast will He open to Islam;but whom He shall please to mislead,strait and narrow will He make his breast,as though he were mounting up into the very heavens! Thus doth Allah inflict dire punishment on those who believe not.
Those that think theirs is the only path to the creator of everything sounds like a description of someone with a strait and narrow breast. I think Jesus also had something to say about those that think themselves first.

Matthew 7:

13 “Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. 14 But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it.

Now if I've been taught by God or as Paul said by revelation from Jesus Christ. Then Yes!!!, indeed, it is my way or the highway that leads to destruction because I didn't make it up and I'm only telling you what I've heard from God. He can't lie nor does he change his mind.

I always think it funny(more along the lines of funny-strange)that no matter the person they've been polluted by the beast that calls itself a church. God is love is their favorite scripture and everything evolves around that scripture of which they don't know what it means. Let me put it this way. God was love when he flooded the whole Earth and killed all it's inhabitants. God was love when he destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. God was love when he hardened pharoah's heart so that he could bring on Egypt all of the disasters. Killing all of their first born, man and animals. He also killed pharoah's army in the red sea. God was love when he killed his own people in the desert. God was love when he killed the inhabitants of Caanan before Israel. He was love when he killed 185000 of Assyrian's army while they slept in their tents before Jerusalem..

Love ain't an emotion. If you sin you die just like God told Adam in the beginning. He never changes. He's the same today, yesterday and forever.

And last but certainly not least...the next question I always hear is, WHAT ABOUT GRACE?

Titus 2:

11 For the grace of God that brings salvation has appeared to all men. 12 It teaches us to say “No” to ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright and godly lives in this present age, 13 while we wait for the blessed hope—the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ, 14 who gave himself for us to redeem us from all wickedness and to purify for himself a people that are his very own, eager to do what is good.

Grace teaches us to say NO to ungodliness and worldly passions. Live self controlled and godly(which by the way means being like God)lives in this age.

Here is another scripture perverted by the so-called churches. It's the last part of this passage. They really had to look away during the rest of the scripture to tweezer out that little part and make a doctrine out of it.

Romans 6:

15 What then? Shall we sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means! 16 Don’t you know that when you offer yourselves to someone to obey him as slaves, you are slaves to the one whom you obey—whether you are slaves to sin, which leads to death, or to obedience, which leads to righteousness? 17 But thanks be to God that, though you used to be slaves to sin, you wholeheartedly obeyed the form of teaching to which you were entrusted. 18 You have been set free from sin and have become slaves to righteousness.
19 I put this in human terms because you are weak in your natural selves. Just as you used to offer the parts of your body in slavery to impurity and to ever-increasing wickedness, so now offer them in slavery to righteousness leading to holiness. 20 When you were slaves to sin, you were free from the control of righteousness. 21 What benefit did you reap at that time from the things you are now ashamed of? Those things result in death! 22 But now that you have been set free from sin and have become slaves to God, the benefit you reap leads to holiness, and the result is eternal life. 23 For the wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

As it says here in more than one place....we've been set free from sin. Being set free from sin is how we reap our benefits of eternal life. Like I said earlier if you sin you die. If you're dead you don't have eternal life but eternal death. I could give you many more scriptures that say the same things but you would grow tired of reading, so I'll stop here.

In John 14 Jesus states that there are many rooms in the Father's house and that he is going to prepare one for the people that believe in his way.I don't really want to go to the room that he has prepared because I don't want to spent eternity with most of the people that call themselves Christian,most are pretty phony. And I don't want to spend eternity in the gardens of the Muslims because I haven't met very many of them that inspire me in any way.It seems to me that people like yourself and other fundamentalist are totally dependent on fear as the primary motivation for the things you do. You tell me about the love of God and all you bring up are things to be afraid of. I always heard that it is the truth that will set you free,Owell. My moments with Higher Consciousness are when I look up at the stars on a crisp dark morning,when my mind makes that connection to the life around me. When I had my original mystical experience and I was the light for just a little bit but enough to last all eternity.

TFCN wrote:

In John 14 Jesus states that there are many rooms in the Father's house and that he is going to prepare one for the people that believe in his way.I don't really want to go to the room that he has prepared because I don't want to spent eternity with most of the people that call themselves Christian,most are pretty phony. And I don't want to spend eternity in the gardens of the Muslims because I haven't met very many of them that inspire me in any way.It seems to me that people like yourself and other fundamentalist are totally dependent on fear as the primary motivation for the things you do. You tell me about the love of God and all you bring up are things to be afraid of. I always heard that it is the truth that will set you free,Owell. My moments with Higher Consciousness are when I look up at the stars on a crisp dark morning,when my mind makes that connection to the life around me. When I had my original mystical experience and I was the light for just a little bit but enough to last all eternity.

Let's put it this way. Fear is not a motivation. It is the beginning of wisdom according to Proverbs. I do what I do because God has made it my nature to do what is right. As you stated and have no idea what it means the truth will set you free. If you knew the context of what you said, set free from what? Christ said, they were slaves to sin but if the son set them free they would be free indeed. All mankind is a slave to sin. Death/sin reigned from Adam to Moses, even though no one but Adam sinned. That guilt made all men guilty and compelled to sin from birth. They were in the loins on Adam when he sinned. When Moses came along the law was instituted and they failed/sinned because no one was righteous by the law. When Christ came, he fixed it for anyone that is willing to give up this life and truly seek him.

What Christ was saying to his Apostles in John 14. Don't worry, if I'm going away to prepare a place for you...won't I come back and take you to be with me. God has only ever had a remnant. Back in Elijah's day, when Elijah thought he was the only godly one left. More than a million Israelites, not including Judah, that were old enough to carry a sword were counted in David's day. But only 7000 in Elijah's day that hadn't bowed a knee to Baal. That was a remnant. The harvest didn't keep increasing. Just like in my vegetable garden. The harvest comes on pretty much at one time and then it thins to only gleanings after that. It's no different now. God created all natural things to tell the spiritual truth of salvation. But in the end you add the remnants from all generation and that's a multitude.

He didn't lose a one of the people that he chose except the man of perdition, Judas. God is not like man, he doesn't start a house he can't finish. If God ever starts a work in you, you can know that he will finish the work. Like it says in Isaiah, all that I have done has been done by you. I really can't take any credit.

As far as spending eternity with anyone. The promise, as I stated earlier, is a new Earth where righteousness lives. All the people that will be there will be righteous. The meaning of righteous is the ability to do right or the act of doing right. It won't be like this evil world where all are evil and no one does right.
But hey, the other option is to spend eternity in the lake of fire. Christ said, where the worm does not die nor is the fire quenched, paraphrased- the body will burn off in seconds and turn back to dust but what remains the spirit of man will live on forever in torment and the fire will never go out. That's just not an option for me or anyone that KNOWS the truth. Don't worry. The muslims ain't going. The people that call themselves christians and aren't doing his says ain't going. Like Christ said, not everyone that says Lord, Lord will enter the kingdom but only those that do the will of my father.

"Are ye not as the children of the Ethiopians (Blacks) oh say it the Lord: Amos 9:7

Rational Tulsans wrote:

"Are ye not as the children of the Ethiopians (Blacks) oh say it the Lord: Amos 9:7

You're growing tired, aren't you buddy? Tough trying to handle a single person assault against overwhelming odds. I'll leave it alone for now. Honest with you, you handled it pretty well. Rear that ugly head again!!!

Justme you confuse me,if God has made it your nature to do what is right,and Jesus has told you that the kingdom of Allah,(Alaha in the language of Jesus),is in your heart,and Higher Consciousness is always there when looked for,what is there to fear? That would be the truth that I have,that The Great Spirit is just a shift of consciousness away when I desire,and the Goddess/God does share the joy of the kingdom. My point about the many rooms was that the Muslims don't want to be in your room any more than you want to be in theirs. I just wonder if your room will have to have Partitions to keep all the different types of Christians from seeing each other.

TFCN wrote:

Justme you confuse me,if God has made it your nature to do what is right,and Jesus has told you that the kingdom of Allah,(Alaha in the language of Jesus),is in your heart,and Higher Consciousness is always there when looked for,what is there to fear? That would be the truth that I have,that The Great Spirit is just a shift of consciousness away when I desire,and the Goddess/God does share the joy of the kingdom. My point about the many rooms was that the Muslims don't want to be in your room any more than you want to be in theirs. I just wonder if your room will have to have Partitions to keep all the different types of Christians from seeing each other.

Sorry sir/ma'am! If you were willing(as I have already stated)to give up this life, then Christ would be your redeemer. He would be your savior. But since you don't know these truths then obviously, you don't know the truth and Christ has not shown you the truth, would set you free from sin.
You see, he knew ahead of time, who would be saved and who wouldn't. He doesn't reveal himself to those that are not going to be saved.