Gun Sales at the Base Exchange

With recent events at Ft. Hood I am curious to know why the Management of the Holloman Base Exchange thinks it would be a good idea to begin to sell weapons on base? Aren't there enough gun stores in town do we really need another one? I have had heard rumor this will happen sometime next year. I would not want to be in the shoes of the individual who said let's sell guns at the BX becasue I think it's a good idea, if something like what happened at Ft. hood happens here at Holloman. Instead of selling weapons why not try selling items that are needed and wanted by the customers. The furniture department takes the entire middle section of the store move them back to where the "Olde Post" is now, do they make any money I've never seen anything move out of there. And the selection of electronics is a joke. I miss the old manager Joey, he was always there to help you and took the time to listen, Does the new manager walk the floor and talk to the people to see what he can do to make shopping at the BX worthwhile? I think I may have seen him once on the floor other than that he stays in his office. He can't be that busy, that he can't get up and walk the store to see what's going on. You want to improve sales and get people in your store get off your A**.

Dear Curious, did you ever think that maybe the new manager doesn't give a crap. I mean seriously have you been to the BX recently they have no selection its the same old thing everyday and when they get something new it seems they only get 1 or 2 how are you suppose to fill customer needs when you can't or won't get what they ask for. If any of the BX employees are reading this I feel sorry for you, that you have to work in such a horrible place, and that you have such a terrible manager, you are the ones who suffer from the customers rude comments and abuse. And that the way the economy is you can't find a new place of employment. Stay strong maybe he will get a new job offer somewhere far, far, far away...

The way I understand it, NOBODY can be in possession of a personal firearm on a military base. They are all supposed to be locked up at the unit armory. So what difference does it make if the PX starts selling them? Unless you are just anti-gun and hate all guns. In which case the military or a military base is not the ideal location to reside. For that matter, the USA is not the ideal locatrion to reside, since the 2nd amendment protects our right to keep and bear arms.

Rather than going after firearms, which are just a tool as good or as bad as the person using it, why not go after the Moslems living in the USA? Everyone wants to be politically correct and not attack them, but it wasn't Christians or Jews that flew those planes into the twin towers on 9/11. We put Germans and Japanese in relocation centers during WW2, sounds like a good idea to me for Moslems. THAT would make me a lot safer than the other BS Homeland Insecurity is doing.

Deputy276 wrote:

The way I understand it, NOBODY can be in possession of a personal firearm on a military base. They are all supposed to be locked up at the unit armory. So what difference does it make if the PX starts selling them? Unless you are just anti-gun and hate all guns. In which case the military or a military base is not the ideal location to reside. For that matter, the USA is not the ideal locatrion to reside, since the 2nd amendment protects our right to keep and bear arms.
Rather than going after firearms, which are just a tool as good or as bad as the person using it, why not go after the Moslems living in the USA? Everyone wants to be politically correct and not attack them, but it wasn't Christians or Jews that flew those planes into the twin towers on 9/11. We put Germans and Japanese in relocation centers during WW2, sounds like a good idea to me for Moslems. THAT would make me a lot safer than the other BS Homeland Insecurity is doing.

I like the part where you say they are suppose to be locked up in the Armory.. That is a joke.. How often is your car searched when you come thru the gate, not very often and how many weapons do you think go in and out and nobody is the wiser. No matter the outcome if the BX decides to sell weapons or not someone somewhere will cause as much if not more damage its only a matter of time. Do you remeber what happenedd at Ft Bliss not to long ago... Guns don't kill people. Crazy people kill people with guns.

Tigger 09 wrote:

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I like the part where you say they are suppose to be locked up in the Armory.. That is a joke.. How often is your car searched when you come thru the gate, not very often and how many weapons do you think go in and out and nobody is the wiser. No matter the outcome if the BX decides to sell weapons or not someone somewhere will cause as much if not more damage its only a matter of time. Do you remeber what happenedd at Ft Bliss not to long ago... Guns don't kill people. Crazy people kill people with guns.

No argument. It's part of living in a free society. If crazy people didn't kill people with guns, they'd use knives or bow and arrows or clubs. Be happy the shrink at Fort Hood didn't use a bomb or hand grenade. The body count would have been much higher. Personally, I'd like to see them reverse the current regulations and allow concealed or open carry on ALL military bases. If someone was armed when the looney shrink started shooting, there probably would have been far fewer casualties.

Everyday, Americans are terrorized by other Americans in the form of domestic abuse and sexual assault. Tim McVeigh and the high-school & college shooters were all American.
I think you are evil and abnormal in your thinking & more of a danger to all the values America used to stand for than the Muslims I know.

Deputy276 wrote:

The way I understand it, NOBODY can be in possession of a personal firearm on a military base. They are all supposed to be locked up at the unit armory. So what difference does it make if the PX starts selling them? Unless you are just anti-gun and hate all guns. In which case the military or a military base is not the ideal location to reside. For that matter, the USA is not the ideal locatrion to reside, since the 2nd amendment protects our right to keep and bear arms.
Rather than going after firearms, which are just a tool as good or as bad as the person using it, why not go after the Moslems living in the USA? Everyone wants to be politically correct and not attack them, but it wasn't Christians or Jews that flew those planes into the twin towers on 9/11. We put Germans and Japanese in relocation centers during WW2, sounds like a good idea to me for Moslems. THAT would make me a lot safer than the other BS Homeland Insecurity is doing.

Proud American wrote:

Everyday, Americans are terrorized by other Americans in the form of domestic abuse and sexual assault. Tim McVeigh and the high-school & college shooters were all American.
I think you are evil and abnormal in your thinking & more of a danger to all the values America used to stand for than the Muslims I know.
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WTF does domestic abuse and sexual assault have to do with armed Americans??? And like I said, part of being a FREE SOCIETY is taking the good with the bad. A gun is a tool as good or as bad as the person using it. My thinking matches the founding fathers...."the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." What part of SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED don't you understand? If only ONE of the soldiers present during the looney Moslem shrinks gun spree was also armed, it might have beena VERY different outcome.

does holloman have a jihadist assigned to the shrink department like they had at ft hood...just wondering

Deputy276 wrote:

The way I understand it, NOBODY can be in possession of a personal firearm on a military base. They are all supposed to be locked up at the unit armory. So what difference does it make if the PX starts selling them? Unless you are just anti-gun and hate all guns. In which case the military or a military base is not the ideal location to reside. For that matter, the USA is not the ideal locatrion to reside, since the 2nd amendment protects our right to keep and bear arms.
Rather than going after firearms, which are just a tool as good or as bad as the person using it, why not go after the Moslems living in the USA? Everyone wants to be politically correct and not attack them, but it wasn't Christians or Jews that flew those planes into the twin towers on 9/11. We put Germans and Japanese in relocation centers during WW2, sounds like a good idea to me for Moslems. THAT would make me a lot safer than the other BS Homeland Insecurity is doing.

He-ll no! Throw them completely out of this country! Implant explosive chips in the brains that will detonate within 500 miles of any US border.

It was smile'n Jimmy who dis-armed the bases. He's one of the top three bestest presidents America ever had! When will we learn that Liberalism is a mental dis-order? And why shouldn't civilians buy their guns from a base they bought the guns for in the first place? In my opinion they should give the surplus guns away free to every law abiding Citizen.

Allowed2Know wrote:

It was smile'n Jimmy who dis-armed the bases. He's one of the top three bestest presidents America ever had! When will we learn that Liberalism is a mental dis-order? And why shouldn't civilians buy their guns from a base they bought the guns for in the first place? In my opinion they should give the surplus guns away free to every law abiding Citizen.

Will you run for president? You have my vote!

Tigger 09 wrote:

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I like the part where you say they are suppose to be locked up in the Armory.. That is a joke.. How often is your car searched when you come thru the gate, not very often and how many weapons do you think go in and out and nobody is the wiser. No matter the outcome if the BX decides to sell weapons or not someone somewhere will cause as much if not more damage its only a matter of time. Do you remeber what happenedd at Ft Bliss not to long ago... Guns don't kill people. Crazy people kill people with guns.

As far as "searches" or BEPC's go they are directed by the installation commander. Under US Supreme Court rulings they are to be systematic and not random ie every 4th veh inbound every 3 vehicle outbound etc during such and such a time. That explains why your vehicle hasnt been checked just luck of the draw.

Scooter_T_Cowboy wrote:

<quoted text> Will you run for president? You have my vote!

Ditto!!!:-)

You most certainly can be in possession of a firearm on a military base or post. It must be transported unloaded in a locked container or in the trunk. If you are stopped you must notify the officer that you have an unloaded firearm in the car. You can only transport to and from the range, armory, or on and off base. Family housing residents can store personal firearms in their housing, but barracks dwellers must store them in the base armory or other designated location. Concealed carry is prohibited. These are the basic facts for all military installations in the US.

Proud American wrote:

Everyday, Americans are terrorized by other Americans in the form of domestic abuse and sexual assault. Tim McVeigh and the high-school & college shooters were all American.
I think you are evil and abnormal in your thinking & more of a danger to all the values America used to stand for than the Muslims I know.
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Thank you for bringing up Tim McVeigh. I'll also bring up Dr. Ted Kaczinksi (the Unabomber), a former college professor. Living proof that ANYTHING can be turned into a weapon, including fertilizer and heating oil, and that more Americans were killed at one time with fertilizer and heating oil in Oklahoma City than any homicidal maniac has killed with a firearm. It's not firearms, ammonium nitrate, heating oil, or even gasoline and soap flakes stirred together (napalm) that pose a problem, it's the homicidal psychopaths willing to kill people for their twisted causes and/or beliefs. You can even turn something as benign as a SWAMP COOLER into a chemical warfare dispensing weapon by substituting a household cleaner for the water and a household drain opener as the catalytic agent. You can't enact laws to forbid everything that will be turned into a weapon. You can ensure that people are not deprived of equal protection of the law and due process to ensure that MOST people will not turn psychopathic revolutionaries. The remaining small number of potentially dangerous people can be monitored closely without having to deprive large numbers of Americans of their civil liberties. That should have been the case with "Dr." Nidal Hasan.

Well said Thank You. The "disarming of America" is a Liberal touchy-feely agenda that has ZERO to do with making Americans safe and everything to do with power and control. 9/11 would never have occured if there were some armed Americans on those planes. Note that people that scream the most about disarming Americans are also the ones who have ARMED bodyguards. Prime example being Mayor Richard Daley of Chicago. Think Obama would be happy with disarmed Federal agents guarding him? I don't think so. Why shoud HE have more protection than an average American???? Even Arafat was allowed to go into the UN with a revolver strapped on his side. No other New Yorker has that priviledge.

Guess most of you were not here 3 years ago. GUNS were being sold on base. Bought a couple there myself. Guns are being sold at the missle range.

Allowed2Know wrote:

It was smile'n Jimmy who dis-armed the bases. He's one of the top three bestest presidents America ever had! When will we learn that Liberalism is a mental dis-order? And why shouldn't civilians buy their guns from a base they bought the guns for in the first place? In my opinion they should give the surplus guns away free to every law abiding Citizen.

You are absolutely correct He and Bill Clinton are cut from the same cloth. At least Jimmy was too dumb to sneak like Bill does.

Good to see there are still some folks that have their head screwed on right about the gun situation. We gotta reamin vigilant with Obummer in the White House (if he is ever actually IN the White House).

Amazing that some people still look to Carter and Taco Bill Clinton for legitimate advice.