Obama signs hate-crimes bill covering gays

Hate crimes violate the equal protection clause of the US Constitution. This is unconstitutional. If you dont like it, change the constitution.

tww wrote:

Hate crimes violate the equal protection clause of the US Constitution. This is unconstitutional. If you dont like it, change the constitution.

False. In that one does not need to actually be a member of the demographics mentioned, merely assumed to be, hate crime laws cover each and every person equally. Try reading the actual laws sometime.

Hate crimes cover everyone. If someone is trying to terrorize a group of people by committing crimes against them specifically because of one group they identify with, that is a hate crime. Race, religion, gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation, disability, if you commit a crime to target one of these groups, you commit a hate crime. Terrorism will no longer be tolerated in our country. God Bless the USA.

Laws against hate are laws against thought, pure and simple.

And the "protected classes" in our society will never be considered equal members as long as there exists "protected classes."

tww wrote:

Hate crimes violate the equal protection clause of the US Constitution. This is unconstitutional. If you dont like it, change the constitution.

You don't have an orientation?

Bob the Bilderberg wrote:

Laws against hate are laws against thought, pure and simple.
And the "protected classes" in our society will never be considered equal members as long as there exists "protected classes."

I'm sorry you don't feel you are an equal member of society. Everyone is covered under the hate crime legislation unless you don't have a gender, race, religion or lack of or orientation. If you are without these things you don't have to worry about it because you don't exist.

Bob the Bilderberg wrote:

Laws against hate are laws against thought, pure and simple.

False. No one is ever convicted for a thought, an action is required.

Bob the Bilderberg wrote:

And the "protected classes" in our society will never be considered equal members as long as there exists "protected classes."

There are no "protected classes", there are groups that are targeted for violence above and beyond the "average" and targeting those people that fit those groups as well as those assumed to be members is a crime of Hate. In that the assumption that someone belongs to those groups is also covered all are protected equally.

They had only wanted to rob Shepard!
Ringbearer wrote:
Thank you Mr. President for signing the Matthew Shepard Bill. We look forward to further progress in the LGBT communiyt, as well as, the general public.
In court the defendants used varying rationales to defend their actions. They attempted to use the gay panic defense, arguing that they were driven to temporary insanity by alleged sexual advances by Shepard. At another point they stated that they had only wanted to rob Shepard and never intended to kill him.[2]
Henderson pleaded guilty on April 5, 1999, and agreed to testify against McKinney to avoid the death penalty; he received two consecutive life sentences. The jury in McKinney's trial found him guilty of felony murder. As they began to deliberate on the death penalty, Shepard's parents brokered a deal, resulting in McKinney receiving two consecutive life terms without the possibility of parole.

MANY HUMANS ARE CALLED TO DEATH BECAUSE OF THIS TYPE OF HATE CRIME!
CONGRESS SHOULD NOT HAVE MADE THIS HATE CRIME BILL APART OF THE MILITARY DEFENSE BILL!
THIS SHOULD HAVE BEEN A HATE CRIME BILL FOR ALL HUMANS!
AMERICAN GO BEYOND RACE, FAITH AND SEX. YOU ARE FIGHTING DISCRIMINATION AND YET YOU DISCRIMINATE! MANY IN THE GAY COMMUNITY ATTACK THE PRESIDENT WHEN HE PUBLICLY STAND UP FOR THE GAY COMMUNITY---go figure! We are human first! THIS IS A CRIME AGAINST ALL HUMANS!

AMERICANS NEED A PUBLIC OPTION, AND AMERICA NEED JOBS.

The government will never change the church.
Male to male sexual intercourse is not the same as Male to Woman sexual intercourse is not the same!
It will never be the same!
Male to male relationship will not give the same to a little girl that need a mother.
This is still like a one parent relationship with 2 people.
A man will never be a woman regardless of what the doctor do.
Do the people in the gay community come out of the closet to go back into the closet?
You want to change you I.D. from man to woman or woman to man
Using one's mouth or anal is not required with male to woman in sexual intercourse.
Is this domestic partnership/ personal relationship between two individuals who live together and share a common domestic lifestyle?

Marriage go beyond being gay or the desire to love.

This was a hate crime against all humans not just the gay community.
A gay congressman have had more rights than middle class americans.
Middle class americans vote should not be disrespected!
THE GAY COMMUNITY VOTES DID NOT WIN THE WHITE HOUSE.
THE GAY COMMUNITY VOTES WILL NOT WIN THE WHITE HOUS FOR THE DNC OR RNC.
AMERICANS IN DOMA HELP THE DNC WIN THE WHITE HOUSE.
AMERICANS IN DOMA WON THE WHITE FOR BUSH REPUBLICANS!
FAITH IS NOT RNC OR DNC!
FAITH votes are NOT RIGHT, LEFT, OR CENTER.
This is a new day for the people of faith of faith vote and it did not go to the republicans in 2008!

Funny, the Gay community need the People of faith votes!
Your lifestyle is your lifestyle-----call it what you want to call it---however their is nothing equal about marriage. WE ARE EQUAL AS HUMANS!
A MAN A WOMAN IS NOT THE SAME.
WE ARE ALL LOVED BY THE FAITH WE SELECT, HOWEVER, THE FAITH DO NOT ALWAYS ACCEPT OUR LIFESTYLE OR DESIRES!
GAY IS A DESIRE AND NOT A RACE.
GAYS ARE A PART OF THE HUMAN RACE!
YOU ARE HUMAN FIRST AND THE WORLD RESPECT YOU AS A HUMAN!
GAY IS YOUR DESIRE AND NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR THE WORLD!
FAITH IS NOT A REQUIREMENT FOR THE WORLD!

Pagan and Proud wrote:

<quoted text>False. No one is ever convicted for a thought, an action is required.
<quoted text>There are no "protected classes", there are groups that are targeted for violence above and beyond the "average" and targeting those people that fit those groups as well as those assumed to be members is a crime of Hate. In that the assumption that someone belongs to those groups is also covered all are protected equally.

What is it that people on here do NOT comprehend about the last 4 words in your reply??? Are they really that ignorant? Let me dumb it down for them.....stupid is the word. LOL

Pagan and Proud wrote:

<quoted text>False. No one is ever convicted for a thought, an action is required.
<quoted text>There are no "protected classes", there are groups that are targeted for violence above and beyond the "average" and targeting those people that fit those groups as well as those assumed to be members is a crime of Hate. In that the assumption that someone belongs to those groups is also covered all are protected equally.

But the punishment is mitigated by the content of the accused's thoughts, which has the same affect.

"Protected class is a term used in United States anti-discrimination law. The term describes groups of people who are protected from discrimination and harassment."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_class

jus sayin

Pagan and Proud wrote:

<quoted text>False. No one is ever convicted for a thought, an action is required.

Actually he is correct. Sure action is required, but hate is not an action.

Bob the Bilderberg wrote:

Laws against hate are laws against thought, pure and simple.
And the "protected classes" in our society will never be considered equal members as long as there exists "protected classes."

Are you not a member of an ethnic group, a gender group, a religious group, etc? Are you an alien?

Attack on a person is normally for financial gain or hate, sometimes sex.

In any case existing law applies to ANYONE who attacks another!

I see NO NEED for a specific group to be set aside for "Special" punishment because they attacked a "Special" group of people including law enforcenemt, gays, fat people, skilly people, black people, white people, old people, young people, female people, male people, etc.......

IF you attack any person you need to be punished at the same level NO MATTER WHO YOU ATTACK!

All men are created EQUAL!

The constituion implores government to treat all equally!

This gay/woman/fat/skinny/black/etc punisment is just silly!

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Gay Mom wrote:

Hate crimes cover everyone. If someone is trying to terrorize a group of people by committing crimes against them specifically because of one group they identify with, that is a hate crime. Race, religion, gender, ethnicity, sexual orientation, disability, if you commit a crime to target one of these groups, you commit a hate crime. Terrorism will no longer be tolerated in our country. God Bless the USA.

Bob the Bilderberg wrote:

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But the punishment is mitigated by the content of the accused's thoughts, which has the same affect.
"Protected class is a term used in United States anti-discrimination law. The term describes groups of people who are protected from discrimination and harassment."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_class
jus sayin

You can't prosecute a thought? Are you a mind reader? You can only prosecute ACTIONS!!! What part of that don't you understand??

sock wrote:

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Actually he is correct. Sure action is required, but hate is not an action.

Hate is only evidence if it is observed in an action. How hard is this to understand? I'm baffled. Has any crime ever been prosecuted using someone's thoughts as eveidence? Are mind-readers now allowed to take the stand?

Gay Mom wrote:

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Are you not a member of an ethnic group, a gender group, a religious group, etc? Are you an alien?

I'm an individual. I'm not a member of a group.

Sam wrote:

Attack on a person is normally for financial gain or hate, sometimes sex.
In any case existing law applies to ANYONE who attacks another!
I see NO NEED for a specific group to be set aside for "Special" punishment because they attacked a "Special" group of people including law enforcenemt, gays, fat people, skilly people, black people, white people, old people, young people, female people, male people, etc.......
IF you attack any person you need to be punished at the same level NO MATTER WHO YOU ATTACK!
All men are created EQUAL!
The constituion implores government to treat all equally!
This gay/woman/fat/skinny/black/etc punisment is just silly!
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I don't agree. If you attack a person because of real or perceived membership in a targeted group (ie race, gender, ethnicity, relgion, sexual orientation, disability) it is a terrorist attack against that whole group. You don't consider what the KKK or Skinheads do terrorism? Well I do.

Bob the Bilderberg wrote:

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I'm an individual. I'm not a member of a group.

You have no race, gender, religion, ethnicity?? Again I ask, are you an alien???

Bob the Bilderberg wrote:

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I'm an individual. I'm not a member of a group.

So if someone beats you up for your "perceived" membership in a group, it's not a hate crime because you are an individual???

Bob the Bilderberg wrote:

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But the punishment is mitigated by the content of the accused's thoughts, which has the same affect.

False. Mitigated means "to lessen" thus no actions are mitigated.... the same base charges apply equally, Hate Crime laws are a modifier to standing laws just as other laws call for additional penalties for the use of a weapon while committing those crimes.

Bob the Bilderberg wrote:

"Protected class is a term used in United States anti-discrimination law. The term describes groups of people who are protected from discrimination and harassment."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protected_class
jus sayin

Wikipedia? Going to have to do much better than that. In that an assumption that one belongs to those demographic descriptions and a subsequent attack based upon that assumption occurs, hate crime laws still apply.