Governor vetoes health and education policy bills

Ok, what we can do is let the democrats pay for the bills and policies they think are necessary, and the Republicans pay for the ones they think are important. Then when the Dem's go bankrupt and broke, they can then try to figure out how they will get free money from the Govt.
When you have a budget shortfall at your home, things need to be cut. Period. Homeowners are already struggling- even if it is their own fault, and it appears that he is trying to keep that from getting worse.
You can't build another level on your house if the foundation is crumbling beneath your feet. Of course, renters don't care about property taxes.....

Db Sweeney wrote:

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One thing you can count on from Conservatives in a consistent message from whoever they heard it from on the radio or Internet. They're totally incapable of reaching any conclusions on their own.

Absolutely right. These dolts can't do anything but parrot what they hear on Fox Noise or some other bloviated and partisan show. Plus, I'm amused at how many posts cited 'socialism,' especially when I seriously doubt that these conservative sheep even know the intricacies of democracy, much less socialism.

Funny how people that really don't know squat about the details of decisions, and why they veto things always have comments.
Until you walk a mile in those shoes, or are actually educated enough by talking with the Governor, maybe you should just shut up, as your opinion is just that- an opinion. Based on very limited fact.
I will say this, he is the most commen sense governor we have had that has tact (Jesse Ventura). Heck, Ventura was common sense. That's why he didn't run again. You can't be sensible and be in government anymore.

You have to give the gov. credit for standing up to the tax and spenders.

Such irresponsible and one sided reporting! Just for all you critics I am including a link to the state legislature http://www.leg.state.mn.us/leg/legis.asp
Type in HF 3391 and read all about the "more affordable health care" bill that Pawlenty just saved you from! Just where the heck do you think the money to pay for the program is going to come from? Maybe the Democrats can raise the gas tax again to help out...
As for the education bill, here is a credible link: http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/... AND I QUOTE, "DFL legislators offered no specifics about how to pay for the new funding".
Think people! Don't believe everything your read or see in the news without any facts to back it up!
VERY IRRESPONSIBLE ARTICLE!

I assume you meant legislature "Pinheads" rather than "Phineas!

Phil wrote:

The governor is kind of like a political harpy to the legislature's Phineas. The legislature passes a bill, and he swoops down and vetoes it.

T-Paw for President. Forget John McClaims to be conservative. Tim, the one bright light we have in this state amongst dead lightbulbs.

Taxpayer wrote:

The bus company should consider offering half price tickets to Chicago because many of our upstanding citizens will be heading there if our Gov keeps vetoing all these hand out programs.

They can have them. We'll keep the portion of the population that doesn't stand around waiting for government handouts or for the bureaucracy to tell them what to do.

They government has more than enough money to accomplish what a government should do. If they can't live within that budget they can bugger off.

2friend wrote:

GOVERNOR GRIDLOCK STRIKES TWICE
He vetoed the education bill that would have provided a needed increase in education.
He vetoed the health care reform that would have brought serious cost-containment to health care.
He vetoed these bills after legislators bent over backwards to meet his concerns.
Rather than model himself after successful Republicans governors who get things done, Pawlenty chooses to obstruct.
With every additional veto, he is writing his history as Minnesota's worst governor in recent memory.

To be honest, Pawlenty blew it the first time he even considered anything but returning the $2.2 bil in excess taxes collected in '06. He showed his true colors when he failed to act to return the over-payments to the people who paid them. If you want improved education, cut the spending by about 50% and the academics will improve dramatically. Less money is proven to improve education quality and the outcomes (but the union won't release this data). Health care is NOT a RIGHT, it is an opportunity. Iyt's government support and mandates for health care that have screwed the system up (check history on this). If the Gov was using the State Constitution as his guide, most of the legislation and budget passed this session would have never gotten to the signature stage. If you prefer that the government steals, pillages and plunders to operate, just give them all of your income to play with. I prefer that we operate under the Constitutions od the State and U.S. as that's where our obligations, rights and liberties are defined. Pawlenty and the DFL (and some RINOs) operate outside of the law and should be jailed for violating their oathes of office.

Andy wrote:

T-Paw for President. Forget John McClaims to be conservative. Tim, the one bright light we have in this state amongst dead lightbulbs.

Comon' Andy... what have you been reading to give you the impressio0n that the Gov is doing anything correctly. He doesn't believe in or support the State or U.S. Constitution, believes unsubstantiated rumors about climate change (and suppoprts the destruction of our economy based on this garbage) and refuses to force positions on issues that are severely damaging our economy. Tim used to 'get it', but now is so out of touch that I wonder about his mental stability (he may have the infectious 'liberal' disease that causes one to lose their ability to critically think, lose most to all of their moral fiber and actually believes the elected leaders know better than the people.

MikeWBL wrote:

I assume you meant legislature "Pinheads" rather than "Phineas!
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No, I definitely meant Phineas. The pinhead is the governor.

John - St Paul wrote:

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Comon' Andy... what have you been reading to give you the impressio0n that the Gov is doing anything correctly. He doesn't believe in or support the State or U.S. Constitution, believes unsubstantiated rumors about climate change (and suppoprts the destruction of our economy based on this garbage) and refuses to force positions on issues that are severely damaging our economy. Tim used to 'get it', but now is so out of touch that I wonder about his mental stability (he may have the infectious 'liberal' disease that causes one to lose their ability to critically think, lose most to all of their moral fiber and actually believes the elected leaders know better than the people.

Agreed! He would make a great running mate for John McCain. Neither espouse conservative values. The Republican party is going down this year. God help us all!

Have you ALL noticed that there's no description of the 'bills' in the article?'Performance measures' means what, more seat time? How about being able to pass international standardized testing that isn't re-normalized every 6 years to make it LOOK like the students are doing better than they really are. You mean your school district hasn't told you our graduates are academically equal to 6th graders in the mid-1960's? That's what the test data would tell you if today's students took the same tests 40 years ago.

Think about this...shouldn't every generation be BETTER educated than the last? Everything else is improving with technology, why not education? Because, like the cures for diseases, there's no money additional money invested when government employees succeed, only when they fail. Why were there only a few kids in Special Ed when I was a kid? Because few kids had problems until somebody told them they did. Teaching has become a jobs program, not a mission. Until the teachers get rid of their union, the failure of our government monopoly education system will continue to deteriorate while the PTA loving soccer moms and dads realize their kids are poorly educated, cannot compete, are unemployable and destined to become parasites of the system that's deliberately designed to make them wards of the state.

2friend wrote:

GOVERNOR GRIDLOCK STRIKES TWICE
He vetoed the education bill that would have provided a needed increase in education.

Why do we need an increase in education when enrollment is down? He did the right thing. Pay for your own damn kids.

know it alls wrote:

Funny how people that really don't know squat about the details of decisions, and why they veto things always have comments.

Here's a detail for you. The healthcare bill would have used funds from a surplus in the Healthcare Access fund. Pawlenty vetoed the bill because he wants to raid that fund, which is supposed to be dedicated to healthcare, to balance the budget. That way he can do his usual one-time shift, smoke-and-mirrors job of problem solving the budget shortfall.

Julie wrote:

As for the education bill, here is a credible link

Nothing Minnesota Public Radio says is credible. Incredible, maybe.

laughing wrote:

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You "want nothing" from the gov't, yet you benefit from transportation funding, clean air & water, police & fire protection, public health campaigns that make sure all kids are vaccinated (so yours don't get sick either), schools that make sure your neighbor isn't a dropout on the street, hospitals for the mentally ill, public utilities, etc. Yeah.....you "want nothing." How about trying to live without all of those things?

It's okay. We're not laughing with you, we're laughing at you.

John - St Paul wrote:

Think about this...shouldn't every generation be BETTER educated than the last? Everything else is improving with technology, why not education? Because, like the cures for diseases, there's no money additional money invested when government employees succeed, only when they fail. Why were there only a few kids in Special Ed when I was a kid? Because few kids had problems until somebody told them they did. Teaching has become a jobs program, not a mission. Until the teachers get rid of their union, the failure of our government monopoly education system will continue to deteriorate while the PTA loving soccer moms and dads realize their kids are poorly educated...

Absolutely correct. US kids will not keep up with global technology. It's not because the class sizes are too big or because schools are under funded ~ the money they do recieve (EVERY year) is spent on green and cultural diversity rhetoric.

Urge the Dept of Ed to get back to the basics, instead of them learning about the cultures that are swiftly passing your kids by.

Pops Garfield of NE Mpls wrote:

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Nothing Minnesota Public Radio says is credible. Incredible, maybe.

That's speculative but at least NPR interviewed SOMEONE responsible for supporting the education bill. Somewhat better than the irresponsible article we are commenting on. Perhaps everyone should email Senator Kathy Saltzman(DFL)District 56 sen.kathy.saltzman@senate.mn and ask her why she voted for increasing our state taxes almost one billion dollars a year(forever)and just exactly how she intends to pay for it! Typical liberal, if something is broken... Throw more money at it. It's time people wake up to what's going on right under their noses and stopped drinking the kool-aid!

No gubermint program is ever a failure, it's just "underfunded".