All eyes are on Maine as vote on same-sex marriage looms

To the good people in Maine. You have a great state a beautiful state. Please keep it an equality state! Do the right thing! Vote NO!!

As one of the first States to sign the Declaration of Independence, I sincerely hope that Maine will continue in that tradition.

Please vote "NO" on Question 1.

Maine for everyone’s sake VOTE YES on question 1. Do you want your kids going to school and being taught that same sex marriage is alright? Well it’s not alright. VOTE YES on question 1. They claim homosexuality is not a choice. If so then why would they choose to teach these children as young as second grade same sex marriage is alright? Because homosexuality IS a choice and they want children as young as six years old to think homosexuality can be normal. They are forcing children to rebel against their parents who teach them correctly. Maine vote YES on question 1. Save yourselves. These students will be forced to listen to this rhetoric. Has anyone stopped to think who will teach this? Homosexuals that’s who. The NEW criteria for teaching will be people that believe homosexuality is normal. You can’t teach religion so why teach homosexuality. Vote YES on question 1 to keep homosexuality OUT of our schools.

Dear Voters of Maine, please vote NO on question 1! Stand up to those out of state bigots that want to tell you how you should vote in your own state.
Send the bigots a message that they are wrong.

Good Luck Maine!

-yernogood wrote:

Maine for everyone’s sake VOTE YES on question 1. Do you want your kids going to school and being taught that same sex marriage is alright? Well it’s not alright. VOTE YES on question 1. They claim homosexuality is not a choice. If so then why would they choose to teach these children as young as second grade same sex marriage is alright? Because homosexuality IS a choice and they want children as young as six years old to think homosexuality can be normal. They are forcing children to rebel against their parents who teach them correctly. Maine vote YES on question 1. Save yourselves. These students will be forced to listen to this rhetoric. Has anyone stopped to think who will teach this? Homosexuals that’s who. The NEW criteria for teaching will be people that believe homosexuality is normal. You can’t teach religion so why teach homosexuality. Vote YES on question 1 to keep homosexuality OUT of our schools.

I was raised by straight parents and heard not ONE word in school about homoex. I did NOT make a choice as to who I am. I was gay and knew it before I even knew what sex was. I knew it. Everyone else I have talked to tells me the same thing. NO one recruited me.
And does school teach HETEROSEX? Wow. What school did YOU go to?

Curteese wrote:

<quoted text>I was raised by straight parents and heard not ONE word in school about homoex. I did NOT make a choice as to who I am. I was gay and knew it before I even knew what sex was. I knew it. Everyone else I have talked to tells me the same thing. NO one recruited me.
And does school teach HETEROSEX? Wow. What school did YOU go to?

Exactly my friend. School does NOT teach heterosexuality, so why then should they teach homosexuality? Thank you for the comment. It seems a bit angry but I'm used to that with the gay community.

-yernogood wrote:

<quoted text>Exactly my friend. School does NOT teach heterosexuality, so why then should they teach homosexuality? Thank you for the comment. It seems a bit angry but I'm used to that with the gay community.

No one will be teaching homosexuality in schools. That is just lies lies lies.

-yernogood wrote:

Maine for everyone’s sake VOTE YES on question 1.

Doing so legalizes discrimination. And while it is stunning that anyone would think the populace of Maine has the slightest right to vote on this issue, the proper thing to do is to vote no. I will illustrate precisely why as we proceed.

-yernogood wrote:

Do you want your kids going to school and being taught that same sex marriage is alright? Well it’s not alright.

Thank goodness that editorials are *finally* starting to appear which simply meet this "scare tactic" head-on. Yes, it *IS* all right for children to learn about marriage. However, the tactic this poster uses is far more insidious, and is now receiving national attention -- at last.

Homosexuals are often equated with *SEX*. It's a tactic used to reduce them to one-dimensionality when reality and logic dictate that if this were so, then heterosexuals -- by identical logic -- can be equated only with *SEX*. However, even the most uneducated among us know that this is not the case. Ergo, by pure and literal logic, it is not the case for homosexuals either.

Moreover, the *state of Maine* has come out officially stating that this question has *zero to do* with school curricula. The anti-gay are lying ... and lying ... and lying.

Why? Because for them, this issue is about fear, control, and hatred.

Period.

-yernogood wrote:

VOTE YES on question 1.

This would be the equivalent of voting that whites and blacks cannot marry. Again, why it is thought the populace has *any right* to vote on this question is stunning -- and, 20-30 years from now, will probably be looked on as shocking and/or laughable.

-yernogood wrote:

They claim homosexuality is not a choice.

OK, see: This is an anti-gay person *lying through their teeth to everyone's face*. Never mind that homosexuals themselves *would be the best to know* that it is not a choice.

The APA agrees with them. If you, dear reader, are unaware who the APA is, go educate yourself. These are the nation's leading doctors and psychiatrists.

According to them, homosexuality is not in the slightest a choice -- by *logic and study*, as *heterosexuality is not*. Please, go look up what the APA says about this and you tell me if the anti-gay are *lying and using fear tactics or not*. Who would know more ... the anti-gay, or the doctors/psychiatrists and homosexuals themselves?

-yernogood wrote:

If so then why would they choose to teach these children as young as second grade same sex marriage is alright?

Note the use of the "scare tactic" described above. Note that the anti-gay *won't let go of this issue* SPECIFICALLY BECAUSE it is a scare tactic, purposefully and manipulatively used to equate homosexuals with sex.

-yernogood wrote:

Because homosexuality IS a choice and they want children as young as six years old to think homosexuality can be normal.

Perhaps, in wanting children to feel it normal, they are simply following the lead of the APA. You tell me whether you believe *this poster* knows more than the learned doctors and psychiatrists of that organization. They've come out about this nationally ... and very publicly. Their words are unequivocal and very specific. Meanwhile, this poster is pretending to know something they don't.

Next time you have an ailment or a psychological issue or you need surgery or whatnot, why not go to *this poster* rather than your doctor or psychiatrist. Try it out.

-yernogood wrote:

They are forcing children to rebel against their parents who teach them correctly.

Note how this poster sounds like a very, very thinly disguised and remote cousin to someone such as a KKK member. Hatred, prejudice and inequality, according to this poster, are correct.

-yernogood wrote:

Maine vote YES on question 1.

And the poster confirms it repeatedly.

-yernogood wrote:

Save yourselves.

With endless, obsessive scare tactics.

-yernogood wrote:

These students will be forced to listen to this rhetoric.

And literal, manipulative,*knowingly outright lies*. This poster *knows he or she is lying*, pointblank. This issue is about hatred, fear, and control.

-yernogood wrote:

Has anyone stopped to think who will teach this? Homosexuals that’s who.

Right, suddenly, SUDDENLY all the teachers in Maine will be replaced by heterosexuals.

Note the paranoia.

-yernogood wrote:

The NEW criteria for teaching will be people that believe homosexuality is normal.

It already is.

Moreover,*QUESTION ONE WILL NOT CHANGE THAT*. Watch and see. Question One will have *zero effect* on that reality. Because question one *has nothing to do with school issues*.

But I'm saving the best for last; keep reading.

Wait for it ...

-yernogood wrote:

You can’t teach religion so why teach homosexuality. Vote YES on question 1 to keep homosexuality OUT of our schools.

... and a number of those gay families are raising children.

Children who *WON'T BE PROTECTED* by the law if gay marriage is dismissed.

Children whom the law *WILL SEE AS SECOND-CLASS CITIZENS* if gay marriage is not recognized as fair, equal and god-given.

Isn't that interesting?

Think about it.

This poster went on and on and on about *CHILDREN AND THEIR WELFARE* but would destroy that welfare and leave them *WITHOUT* protection. This poster has urged everyone to vote *TO LEAVE THOSE CHILDREN DEFENSELESS* and *WITHOUT* the same benefits of other children.

Oh, wow. Looks like this poster only wants to protect *SOME* children, leaving others with no recourse. Interesting. Looks to me like the poster is manipulative, anti-gay liar.

Simple.

Dear yernogood,
Do you even have children in school? Do you think that you should be teaching such hate? In school they teach many different subjects that contain unpleasant things to some people. History for example may cover terrible things that occurred throughout time. So with your analogy our children may become murderers, bigots, war-mongers, slave owners because they were taught these things in school? Children need to be taught tolerance to stop the hate. Teach your children what love is by examples from your own home. Show them what a loving family is or should be even if you are straight or same gender parents. Your child, niece, nephew, grandchild or dear friend may come to you some day and say 'I'm Gay'. God Bless you and may he help you with understanding. Vote NO on 1.

AquariusNSF wrote:

No one will be teaching homosexuality in schools. That is just lies lies lies.

Hmmm...What is this? http://www.youtube.com/watch...

The gay community said the same thing in California about no one teaching about "homosexuality in schools". Just shows that you are the community that lies.

-yernogood wrote:

<quoted text>Exactly my friend. School does NOT teach heterosexuality, so why then should they teach homosexuality?

This poster is lying repeatedly and pointblank. Note the *dichotomy* presented by the issue in question -- in an *extraordinarily and willfully manipulative* fashion. What this poster is *REALLY* saying -- think about it -- is that he or she *WANTS LITERALLY NO MENTION* of homosexuality in school. This poster is saying that *the slightest breath of a mention* of homosexuality in school *is tantamount to teaching it*.

That's what's *really* being said here.

-yernogood wrote:

Thank you for the comment. It seems a bit angry but I'm used to that with the gay community.

Noting another poster's emotional state is not only mendacious but a logically fallacy. This poster *cannot know with what attitude or tone* any post was committed to the board. This is an *ad hominem* argument deliberately, specifically and manipulatively introduced to the board in order to make the previous poster "look bad." You tell me whether this poster *saw the previous poster typing the comment*; do we really need to get this elementary and childish?

Indeed, we do.

Because the anti-gay love to *sling emotional arguments about* in their question to maintain fear -- hatred -- and control.

By pretending they can *see perfect strangers about whom they know nothing* on a message board.

Period.

-yernogood wrote:

<quoted text>Exactly my friend. School does NOT teach heterosexuality, so why then should they teach homosexuality? Thank you for the comment. It seems a bit angry but I'm used to that with the gay community.

Schools don't teach EITHER, people are born that way and learning about human sexuality involves teaching FACTS about both of them. This paranoid lie that "Schools are teaching homosexuality" couldn't POSSIBLY be less relevent to the question of marriage, which has nothing at all to do with what's taught in school, but tell us, Mr. Bigot, what advantage our young people will have in your idea of forced ignorance? How is ANYONE helped by them not knowing the facts of human sexuality?

yernogood--"Maine for everyone’s sake VOTE YES on question 1."

Actually it's for NOBODY'S sake. It doesn't benefit a single soul. It destroys many families for no good reason at all, and doesn't help anyone. You're not harmed if your gay neighbors get married in any way.

"Do you want your kids going to school and being taught that same sex marriage is alright?"

This is NOT ABOUT SCHOOLS! This law has NOTHING TO DO WITH SCHOOLS AND WHAT IS TAUGHT THERE! This sick, despicable LIE exploiting children to promote bigotry shows that there's no legitimate argument against marriage equality.

And yes, children SHOULD be taught that gay marriage is all right, because it is. But that's not what this vote is about.

"Well it’s not alright."

Of course it is. There's not a thing wrong with it.

"VOTE YES on question 1."

So Jim Crow can return to Maine.

"They claim homosexuality is not a choice."

They don't "claim" it. It has been PROVEN FACT for decades.

"If so then why would they choose to teach these children as young as second grade same sex marriage is alright?"

This vote has NOTHING to do with what is taught in schools, the ONLY thing being taught young kids is that it's not OK to beat up or hate other kids because their family looks different from yours. It's about safe schools, and nothing else.

"Because homosexuality IS a choice"

A despicable, bigoted, and PROVEN lie.

"and they want children as young as six years old to think homosexuality can be normal."

Not can be, is. EVERY credible scientific, mental health and medical authority confirms it's perfectly normal for some people to be gay.

"They are forcing children to rebel against their parents who teach them correctly."

They aren't forcing anyone to do anything except not beat up kids from different families. Schools are SUPPOSED to teach the truth, and parents teaching their kids lies SHOULD have their kids taught better. Anyone who WANTS their kids ignorant is a child abuser.

"Maine vote YES on question 1. Save yourselves."

From joining civilized society.

"These students will be forced to listen to this rhetoric."

It's called "facts," and remember AGAIN that this vote has ZERO to do with what is taught in schools. NOT ONE THING. But, since there is NO legitimate reason to oppose marriage equality, the radical right has MADE UP that it'll mean something else entirely. No child will benefit from passage of this vote, not a single kid anywhere. But many will suffer if it passes.

"Has anyone stopped to think who will teach this?"

IT ISN'T ABOUT WHAT IS TAUGHT YOU FLAMING LIAR!!!

"Homosexuals that’s who."

Lie. It doesn't take a gay person to teach the basic facts any more than only black people can teach that it's not OK to beat up kids because they're black.

"The NEW criteria for teaching will be people that believe homosexuality is normal."

It is. However, AGAIN, this law has NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with what is taught or who is teaching it. NOT ONE THING. This is NOT an educational issue.

"You can’t teach religion so why teach homosexuality."

Because UNLIKE religion it's proven fact, and UNLIKE religion it's not PROHIBITED from being taught in the constitution of the united states. The two are NOT related to one another, and most gay people ARE religious.

"Vote YES on question 1 to keep homosexuality OUT of our schools. "

A yes vote will do nothing to keep homosexuality out of anywhere. It won't cause a single gay person to turn straight. All it does is discriminate against them, hate them, treat them like second-class citizens because of ignorance and bigotry.

Eaglefan9727 wrote:

<quoted text>
Hmmm...What is this? http://www.youtube.com/watch...
The gay community said the same thing in California about no one teaching about "homosexuality in schools". Just shows that you are the community that lies.

No, what you're actually doing is lying pointblank and *misframing* this issue, on two counts. Count 'em.

1. The vote and the recognition of gay marriage *has nothing to do with this*. If this *WERE* the case, this vote is not gonna stop it. Watch and see. It's *already become a part of Maine history* at this point, no matter how the vote turns out. The *real* truth is that you're prejudiced; denying recognition of gay marriage is about hatred, control and fear.

2. There *IS NOTHING BAD* about school kids learning about sexual orientation. What *YOU* are doing is equating it with "badness" or "evil" or "sin" or most likely "SEX," as that is the most common equation. In other words, you *distort it into something negative* and then use *your own false argument* to scream and scream that children shouldn't be hearing about it.

Thanks for reading.

Eaglefan9727 wrote:

<quoted text>
Hmmm...What is this? http://www.youtube.com/watch...
The gay community said the same thing in California about no one teaching about "homosexuality in schools". Just shows that you are the community that lies.

You have obviously never been bullied. It makes a kid want to die. I was afraid to raise my hand, afraid to walk alone, afraid to even go into the freaking restrooms, for fear of being attacked or taunted. And get your mind out of the gutter, for I know your next insult. I did NOT go into the restroom to seek romance, I wanted to pee in peace, for pity's sake, Nope. I learned to pee only at home.
When I was in school, I was taunted for being gay. It was beyond horrible. In my day I had no protection from teachers, I still recall the gym teachers joining in making fun of kids not super athletic.
I am really glad that this is being implemented now. Anything for a kid to not go through what I did is a good thing.
And I am so surprised you found a Fox news article being against civil rights. Amazing.

Folks,
If Question 1 in Maine passes.....it won't be the end, just more fuel to the fire. Remember that the Yes on 1 folks are the same as the Yes on Prop 8 folks and they are already being challenged.

Now if Ref 71 in Washington gets defeated......well we will truly know that the anti-gay folks really don't want us to have ANY rights as they have been claiming.....because this Referendum is about having THE EXACT SAME RIGHTS AS A MARRIED HETEROSEXUAL COUPLE DOES without using the word "marriage".

Please the good folks in Maine.....Vote No on Question 1 and in Washington Vote Yes on Ref 71.

Homosexual 'marriage' just can't be justified.

Look at this thread. Nine posts are missing.

We will NOT roll over "yernogood" .... These state-by-state battles will have their set backs (ala PROP Hate in Ca.), but the constitution is on OUR side. You religious bigots are doomed. Cling on to you fictious poc called the bible.(you DO ralize it's fiction, right? probably not.) Continue to use it to oppress others different than you. But this is a DOWNHILL battle, no longer UP HILL. There will be bumps and set-backs along the way. But we will prevail. You religious zealots will fail once the old tired white hairs with their dogmatic beliefs die off. Only a matter of time.

Even if the anti-gay side should get their wish today......all that it will prove is that RIGHTS shouldn't be voted on.

It will also show why Blacks had to get their rights via the Court systems.