Expert: We must act fast on warming

Sep 24, 2008 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Kansas.com

Droughts, melting ice caps and glaciers, rising sea levels and mass extinctions will all be a reality unless the U.S. and the world cut back on carbon emissions dramatically, said James Hansen, director of ...

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litesong

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dont drink the koolaid wrote:
.... oddly enough, all the studies come to the same conclusion... life on Earth is at risk from AGW.
It is odd but understandable that topix AGW deniers, who have no background in science or mathematics & with 10-16 years less training than AGW scientists, use their egotism to voice truly unscientific critiques about people to which they have no abilities to match.
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litesong wrote:
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It is odd but understandable that topix AGW deniers, who have no background in science or mathematics & with 10-16 years less training than AGW scientists, use their egotism to voice truly unscientific critiques about people to which they have no abilities to match.
Wow sounds like the dirtling and the less than a box of rocks.
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I live near Barrie Ontario. 10,000 years ago where I am sitting there was 1 km of ice. From my perspective global warming started then. Must have taken a lot of heat to melt all of that ice that covered all of Canada and part of the US. So yes global warming is real and I suspect this will continue until most of the polar caps are melted before we see a reverse trend. This has happened many times before the only real question is are we speeding up the trend in the last 75 years. I think we should just focus our efforts on pollution control and if the side benefit is the slowing down of this warming trend great. The polar caps have melted before and will agains.

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Greg wrote:
I live near Barrie Ontario. 10,000 years ago where I am sitting there was 1 km of ice. From my perspective global warming started then. Must have taken a lot of heat to melt all of that ice that covered all of Canada and part of the US. So yes global warming is real and I suspect this will continue until most of the polar caps are melted before we see a reverse trend. This has happened many times before the only real question is are we speeding up the trend in the last 75 years. I think we should just focus our efforts on pollution control and if the side benefit is the slowing down of this warming trend great. The polar caps have melted before and will agains.
The rapid influx of water from Lake Agassiz into the ocean shutting down the conveyor belt circulation of the Gulf Stream was the cause of the very rapid cooling. That in no way refutes AGW.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2010/03/31/us-...
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Greg wrote:
I live near Barrie Ontario.
10,000 years ago where I am sitting there was 1 km of ice.
Admittedly you don't say you are sitting near Barrie. And somewhere there was 1km of ice left.

http://www.zonu.com/detail-en/2010-01-05-1163...

Not in Barrie though.
Greg wrote:
From my perspective global warming started then.
If you are limiting it to ice age recovery, certainly but we exited the ice age about 12,000 to 8,000 years ago.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Holocene_Te...

Global warming (as opposed to ice age recovery) started at most 250 years ago. Proper terminology is vital to understanding what is meant by science.
Greg wrote:
Must have taken a lot of heat to melt all of that ice that covered all of Canada and part of the US.
Yes. Yes it did. The primary change was in insolation (angle of sun vs intensity) also called 'milankovitch cycles) which made a SMALL change in total thermal influx. The majority of the warming was accomplished by positive feedbacks ( lower albedo from less snow, and return of sequestered GHGs from deep ocean currents. The GHGs retained more of the solar influx.
Greg wrote:
So yes global warming is real and I suspect this will continue until most of the polar caps are melted before we see a reverse trend.
I would agree that much of Greenland and the arctic ice sheets would have melted as they did in the previous 'long interglacial' but the stabilty of the Antarctic ice sheet may be very much dependent on how far we go in AGW.
Greg wrote:
This has happened many times before the only real question is are we speeding up the trend in the last 75 years. I think we should just focus our efforts on pollution control and if the side benefit is the slowing down of this warming trend great. The polar caps have melted before and will agains.
Particularly about 53 mya when the PETM had CO2 levels about where we expect to be by 2050 to 2100 (about 560 ppm). Can we stop it? Depends on educating people like you and getting the political will to adapt to a lower energy, cleaner and more efficient economy. NO reason that this has to be a problem other than ignorance and denial. But those are serious problems even today with all the advantages of education and communications.

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NobodyYouEverWantToKnow, aka:
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On the contrary. I have never claimed that animal life on planet earth[sic] could not survive without CO2. In fact, I claim that this is TOTALLY BOGUS. Animal life can live quite well with NO CO2.
http://www.topix.com/forum/travel/T65UHQ01CVF... , aka:
LessFactMoreHype wrote:
Totally bogus. For example, air supplies in space capsules do NOT have a 'CO2 input'. They are pure oxygen at the same partial pressure (just eliminate the nitrogen). People survive just fine as long as they can ELIMINATE the CO2 they exhale (mostly using lithium hydroxide. Same with submarines. People can survive just fine as long as you eliminate the CO2 they produce.
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...

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This occurred when land life was limited to insects and plants so there were no species TO drive to extinction.

http://www.topix.com/forum/in/pune/TTREHEPOBC...
NobodyYouEverWantToKnow, aka:
LessFactMoreHype wrote:
the equator doesn't HAVE season.
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/activism/TSEP...
NobodyYouEverWantToKnow, aka:
LessFactMoreHype wrote:
Western Europe was. But there is NO good evidence that Greenland was warmer. Note that the vikings were ADAPTED to 'nordic temperatures' and wouldn't know how to live in a melting Greenland.
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...

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NobodyYouEverWantToKnow, aka:
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http://www.topix.com/forum/in/pune/TTREHEPOBC...
NobodyYouEverWantToKnow, aka:
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http://www.topix.com/forum/news/activism/TSEP...
NobodyYouEverWantToKnow, aka:
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http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...
You are pathetic.

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You are pathetic.
Your replies are truly scintillating.

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Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>Your replies are truly scintillating.
You are pathetic.

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DumBozo wrote:
You are pathetic.
You want pathetic, try these for size:
NobodyYouEverWantToKnow, aka:
LessFactMoreHype wrote:
the science isn't going to change.

http://www.topix.com/forum/tech/TTOTNTM27LVA9...

NobodyYouEverWantToKnow, aka:
LessFactMoreHype wrote:
While the science doesn't change rapidly it does change
http://www.topix.com/forum/who/bill-richardso...

NobodyYouEverWantToKnow, aka:
LessFactMoreHype wrote:
I REITERATE that the science hasn't changed which is what I SAID in my post. Science rarely changes
http://www.topix.com/forum/state/co/TVB85LOLE...

NobodyYouEverWantToKnow, aka:
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And nowhere is there 'skepticism'[US] of the science.

http://www.topix.com/forum/ca/british-columbi...

NobodyYouEverWantToKnow, aka:
LessFactMoreHype wrote:
Experiment is NOT science, any more than elections are Democracy.
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/global-warmin...

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You are pathetic.
Talking about pathetic, who wrote this?
"Many or the Republicans of the past were conversationalists an supported environmental issues."
And this?
"No one knows exactly how much man is altering the climate, but it is pretty well accepted that he is to a measurable extent."

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Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>Talking about pathetic, who wrote this?
"Many or the Republicans of the past were conversationalists an supported environmental issues."
And this?
"No one knows exactly how much man is altering the climate, but it is pretty well accepted that he is to a measurable extent."
Is that the best you can do? Pitiful as well as pathetic. BTW, no measure is exact except for for counting. And Republicans were conversationalists as well as conservationists. That seems to be one of their problems, they are all vocal but their conversations are always against and never for. But what is it to you. You have dropped out of society and live in recluse.

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Is that the best you can do? Pitiful as well as pathetic.
Nope, that was the best you could do, pitiful and pathetic.
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BTW, no measure is exact except for for counting.
What does "for for counting" mean?
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And Republicans were conversationalists as well as conservationists.
Wriggle and squirm all you like, it would be easier and less painful to admit it was a brain fart.
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You have dropped out of society and live in recluse[sic].
One cannot "live in recluse."

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Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>Nope, that was the best you could do, pitiful and pathetic.
ֿ<quoted text>What does "for for counting" mean?<quoted text>Wriggle and squirm all you like, it would be easier and less painful to admit it was a brain fart.<quoted text>One cannot "live in recluse."
Do you understand that no measure is ever exact except for counting? Of course I made a fumble. BTW, when used as an adjective, living in recluse means the same as living in seclusion. It would be easier and less painful if you could admit that you are wrong once again.

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DumBozo wrote:
Of course I made a fumble.
Only one, grandpaw?
DumBozo wrote:
BTW, when used as an adjective, living in recluse means the same as living in seclusion.
You're wrong, and no amount of posturing will make you right.
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It would be easier and less painful if you could admit that you are wrong once again.
Don't do a Mr Undoubtably Spelt Fourty, accept the challenge and find "live in recluse" correctly written anywhere and not only will I admit to being wrong, I'll apologise.

The nearest you could get to being right, would be if someone had a "live in recluse" residing with them, such as Howard Hughes, when he was a guest at various hotels from 1966 to 1976.

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Earthling-1 wrote:
<quoted text>Only one, grandpaw?<quoted text>You're wrong, and no amount of posturing will make you right.<quoted text>Don't do a Mr Undoubtably Spelt Fourty, accept the challenge and find "live in recluse" correctly written anywhere and not only will I admit to being wrong, I'll apologise.
The nearest you could get to being right, would be if someone had a "live in recluse" residing with them, such as Howard Hughes, when he was a guest at various hotels from 1966 to 1976.
About what one would expect from a misanthrope.
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Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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About what one would expect from a misanthrope.
???...Did you mean recluse... or scientific wreck lose ?..;-)

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About what one would expect from a misanthrope.
Hmmm, so you've discovered your error, and just like Mr Undoubtably Spelt Fourty, you're ashamed to admit it, so come back with unjustifiable ad hominem instead.

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Patriot AKA Bozo wrote:
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Is that the best you can do? Pitiful as well as pathetic. BTW, no measure is exact except for for counting. And Republicans were conversationalists as well as conservationists. That seems to be one of their problems, they are all vocal but their conversations are always against and never for. But what is it to you. You have dropped out of society and live in recluse.
I have seen liberal who could talk your ears off and whose conversations were always against. Against Talk Radio, Big Oil, Big Coal, Big whatever is the latest in thing to rant about. Of course they are not against everything, they always seem to be for bigger government, spending more on failed ideas, and whining about how the right will not work with them which usually means do everything they want how they want to do it.

You want to talk about pathetic; you should look at how pathetic the democrats have been. Even more pathetic that the GOP.

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