Prelate Asks Governor Not to Receive Eucharist

Why didn't the prelates comment and chastise the numerous priests that abuseed children for decades which was then covered up by the Catholic church. Never a word about them not receiving sacraments !!!!! Keep your noses out of government and confine yourselves to the spiritual self.

H F Harrison wrote:

Why didn't the prelates comment and chastise the numerous priests that abuseed children for decades which was then covered up by the Catholic church. Never a word about them not receiving sacraments !!!!! Keep your noses out of government and confine yourselves to the spiritual self.

I agree.

The full article here by ZENIT tells that the Archbishop met privately with Gov. Sebelius a number of times and asked her to refrain from receiving Holy Communion as long as she remained an abortion rights advocate. This article lays to rest the carping that the Archbishop should have dealt with Sebelius is a private way. He did. In order to stop the scandal given to the Church he had to be public in his remarks.

God Bless Archbishop Naumann!

Mary, I have a question that is only partially on topic. I know there are a number of Catholics who are pro-choice, just as there are a number in my own brotherhood who are pro-choice. Do you feel that this is just a sign of the times? By that I mean, are they too wrapped up in the world?
Or are we not doing a good enough job educating people? And what can be done to change their minds?

If all those who are divorced, pro-life, pro-gay people left the church it would be empty....

I'll repeat what I've said before. It's one thing to tell Ms. Sibelius to do something in regard to church doctrine...it's another thing to chastise a Governor who is the governor of ALL KANSANS AND REPRESENTS them to act in a specific way. I said earlier, I thought JFK answered this church/gov't dialog (and was told he should have been excommunicated because he was going to hell for not obeying the church). We have church and state separation...keep government officials who represent all the people out of individual, non-secular dictates of a particular religion or belief. I didn't vote for a Catholic Kathleen Sibelius but for governor to represent me.. a non-catholic, or a muslim, or a baptist, or a lutheran, or a buddist or a jew.

Kssenior wrote:

I'll repeat what I've said before. It's one thing to tell Ms. Sibelius to do something in regard to church doctrine...it's another thing to chastise a Governor who is the governor of ALL KANSANS AND REPRESENTS them to act in a specific way. I said earlier, I thought JFK answered this church/gov't dialog (and was told he should have been excommunicated because he was going to hell for not obeying the church). We have church and state separation...keep government officials who represent all the people out of individual, non-secular dictates of a particular religion or belief. I didn't vote for a Catholic Kathleen Sibelius but for governor to represent me.. a non-catholic, or a muslim, or a baptist, or a lutheran, or a buddist or a jew.

Excellent response.

The Prelate is asking the Governor not to participate in an important part of the Catholic faith since her views and actions are against what the Church stands for and which the Prelate is charged to protect and uphold. The Prelate is not instructing the Governor on how to govern. Where is the problem? The Prelate is only doing his job, and is only asking that the Governor do something or rather not do something during a religious ceremony when the Governor is worshiping as a Catholic individual and not as a Governor.

It's always so puzzling to watch Priests who ARE sinners, tell other sinners that their sins are more aggregious. God must get a chuckle out of that.

If the Catholic Church is willing to involve themselves in local politics by punishing a parishner for his vote, then they can and should expect a visit from the IRS.

Hypocrites. Every last one of them.

x0x0x wrote:

It's always so puzzling to watch Priests who ARE sinners, tell other sinners that their sins are more aggregious. God must get a chuckle out of that.
If the Catholic Church is willing to involve themselves in local politics by punishing a parishner for his vote, then they can and should expect a visit from the IRS.
Hypocrites. Every last one of them.

You are a sinner, everybody is.

x0x0x wrote:

It's always so puzzling to watch Priests who ARE sinners, tell other sinners that their sins are more aggregious. God must get a chuckle out of that.
If the Catholic Church is willing to involve themselves in local politics by punishing a parishner for his vote, then they can and should expect a visit from the IRS.
Hypocrites. Every last one of them.

I do believe tho that you should quit judging people because it makes YOU a hypocrite.

hey you wrote:

<quoted text>I do believe tho that you should quit judging people because it makes YOU a hypocrite.

Folks like that only view others as hypocritical. They believe that only they are right. And then they tell us that there is no absolute right and wrong and we shouldn't judge others. I never could quite figure out how they kept up with their own nonsense.

Kssenior wrote:

I'll repeat what I've said before. It's one thing to tell Ms. Sibelius to do something in regard to church doctrine...it's another thing to chastise a Governor who is the governor of ALL KANSANS AND REPRESENTS them to act in a specific way. I said earlier, I thought JFK answered this church/gov't dialog (and was told he should have been excommunicated because he was going to hell for not obeying the church). We have church and state separation...keep government officials who represent all the people out of individual, non-secular dictates of a particular religion or belief. I didn't vote for a Catholic Kathleen Sibelius but for governor to represent me.. a non-catholic, or a muslim, or a baptist, or a lutheran, or a buddist or a jew.

Ah, but the Bishop is requiring her to oppose abortion. He is merely advising that she is not to receive Holy Communion.
As the spiritual leader in the Diocese, he has every right to protest her publicly mocking the faith.
Yes, of course, at every Mass there are probably people who are not in a state of Grace receiving communion. The difference here is that the Governor is a public figure who is publicly flouting the teachings of the Church.
She is always free to leave the Church as many, many others have.

hey you wrote:

<quoted text>You are a sinner, everybody is.

Well, I can't speak for the others but I certainly am.
There is a difference between a sinner and an unrepentant sinner, no?
Or, perhaps, the Governor does not believe that supporting abortionists is a sin at all. In which case, what is she doing in the Church?

Joseph Tyson wrote:

<quoted text>Well, I can't speak for the others but I certainly am.
There is a difference between a sinner and an unrepentant sinner, no?
Or, perhaps, the Governor does not believe that supporting abortionists is a sin at all. In which case, what is she doing in the Church?

Yes, you are right there is a dif. in a repentetive sinner and one who is not. The governer is committing a grave sin by going to commmunion. Anyone who thinks abortion is okay and going to communion is committing a grave sin. They will have to answer for it.

hey you wrote:

<quoted text>Yes, you are right there is a dif. in a repentetive sinner and one who is not. The governer is committing a grave sin by going to commmunion. Anyone who thinks abortion is okay and going to communion is committing a grave sin. They will have to answer for it.

Well, whether they will or not remains to be seen. Is it really a grave sin to "think" that abortion is okay? The Governor does more than that. She accepts $$$ from late term abortionists (Tiller) and opposes legislation that would allow enforcement of existing Kansas law regarding late-term abortions.
The Bishop must not instruct her service of the public. On the other hand, he is certainly entitled guard against sacremental disrespect and public contempt for the teaching of the Church.

Do you reckon that all the unrepentant Fenian bastards are searing in Hell?

Yes it is a sin to even think about killing an unborn baby. I do not know, only God knows and thats His business not mine.

hey you wrote:

<quoted text>I do believe tho that you should quit judging people because it makes YOU a hypocrite.

A priest who will never be faced with the decision of abortion is a hypocrite. Newsflash: This Governor is not HAVING ABORTIONS therefore she has not sinned against God OR his laws and should not be punished.

Unfortunately, Catholics do not use common sense. They just judge and punish. Unless it is a Priest who is fondling or raping a child, then they say "Forgive our Brethern. Say 50 Hail marys and you will be forgiven." They transfer him to another parish and then get back to their judging and condemnations. It truly is a twisted culture.

A couple of points.
To the first comments, Archbishop Naumann wasn't even running a diocese when the Sexual Abuse scandal broke, let alone was he one of the half-a-dozen or so that actually moved these gentleman around (that out of several hundred bishops in the US). Before you call others hypocritical, perhaps you should do some reseach and to make sure that you aren't blaming the many for the sins of a few.
With regards to Archbishop Naumann's approach, he did exactly what the gospel of Matthew calls us to do (Mt. 18). If someone is doing wrong, aproach them individually, if they don't change thier ways, come with one or two more, if they still don't listen, bring them to the whole church and if he doesn't listen to the church, then let him be like one outside of the church.
People understand when a priest tells a muslim that they shouldn't present themselves for communion. If you don't believe what the church teaches, then you should not present yourselves for communion as you aren't in communion with it.
If you want to read the bishop's own words on the issue, here they are from our diocesan paper, where he made the issue public. http://www.theleaven.com/columnists/archbisho...

hey you wrote:

Yes it is a sin to even think about killing an unborn baby. I do not know, only God knows and thats His business not mine.

God kills a lot of babies every day. In the Bible, he asked people to kill their children just to prove they "Love him more". Yechhhh. How valuable could their lives have been to him to have asked someone to 'just kill them'?
Those were living, breathing children. At least an abortion is quick and there is no thought process or fear to contend with for the woman. It is far more humane than sinking a stake into an innocent childs beating heart. If God is Love, than I don't want to be loved.