Clout Goes to College: U. of I. more difficult to get into

U of I Engineer wrote:

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Otis,
Yes I know, as well as netscape, firefox, a huge hand in the initial versions of internet explorer... But I didn't want to post since I was afraid everyone would refute... I also heard a rumor that our secret underground supercomputer runs the entire midwest's internet, and it landed us in the top 10 terrorist targets. Not sure if its true...

Here's an interesting map (for geeks like us anyway):
http://www.root-servers.org/

Urbana has the National Center for Supercomputing Applications, and I don't know that it runs the Midwest internet, but it is a pretty significant node! Urbana has some interesting defense stuff going on (SAIC is out of Urbana).

We used to mess around on this stuff as Undergrads! The first PLATO system, prototypical Internet (it was university & military back then) etc.

ha ha ha! That's what you get when you hire undergrads to watch the computing center at night & on weekends!!

saraQarmstrong wrote:

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The USNWR lists are nice mechanical rankings. Barron's, which has been producing college guides since 1950s, is a little more analytic. Its guide to selective colleges only deals with the cream, such as Michigan and Berkeley.
Our local U. of Illinois should be proud of its dozen Nobel laureates. Is that a high number? My daughter e-mailed me that her little school (Cal Tech) with 1,000 students has 40 plus Nobels. She also told me the advantage of having average math SATs of 790 is that the class isn't held back by slower students in the mid-700s.

Not to say that Wikipedia is the final authority, but they list Cal Tech with 33 Nobel laureates, the U of I 25 and Michigan 19. Do let us know when your daughter gets hers.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nobel_laureates_...

saraQarmstrong wrote:

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The USNWR lists are nice mechanical rankings. Barron's, which has been producing college guides since 1950s, is a little more analytic. Its guide to selective colleges only deals with the cream, such as Michigan and Berkeley.
Our local U. of Illinois should be proud of its dozen Nobel laureates. Is that a high number? My daughter e-mailed me that her little school (Cal Tech) with 1,000 students has 40 plus Nobels. She also told me the advantage of having average math SATs of 790 is that the class isn't held back by slower students in the mid-700s.

Wow, way to under exaggerate the U of I's Nobel laureates and over exaggerate Cal Tech's. The real numbers are 21 and 30 respectively. Not a dozen and 40+ as you or your pompous daughter put it; let me know when she gets her first...

I'm not sure what Universities "hold" their students back due to low math test scores? At the U of I if you test well you are placed in a higher math class. Some engineers start in Calc I, some in Calc II and even some in Calc III. I'm guessing your daughter is so smart she would have completely tested out of even Advanced Calc right?

I'm sure your daughter’s professors really love you and your daughter for her arrogance if she’s anything like you say. I had a few kids like her in my classes. The type that would bring needles things to the teacher’s attention and argue about them for half the hour; the type of kids that run home to study and have their heads in their books until they go to bed.

Good luck to your daughter in the real world, where she might need to interact and be cordial with coworkers and clients. Maybe go out for beers after work... Oh wait I'm sure you forbid your daughter from having any fun...

Speaking of work, here's what some fellow Illinois Alumni and Faculty have accomplished:

As of 2007, 21 alumni and faculty members are Nobel laureates and 20 have won a Pulitzer Prize.

Alumni have created companies and products such as Netscape Communications, AMD, PayPal, Playboy, National Football League, Siebel Systems, Mortal Kombat, CDW, YouTube, Oracle, Lotus, Mosaic, Safari, Firefox, W. W. Grainger, Delta Air Lines, BET.

Alumni and faculty have invented the LED, integrated circuit, THX, quantum well laser, transistor, MRI, and Plasma screen, and are responsible for the structural design of such buildings as the Sears Tower, the John Hancock Center, and the Burj Dubai.

I'm sure you have heard of a few of these things. I am looking forward to you and your peach of a daughter's response... I'm sure her school has done better three times over right?

Cadillac wrote:

It is only ok when black kids with 2.0 GPA get accepted. These are quotas set up by affirmative action and is considered fair.
When white kids like whoever is related to (insert white politician's name here) get accepted with subpar grades this is considered unfair practices.
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Or how about this,
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'Unfair' housing is usually a white neighborhood if you go by HUD standards. So to make the housing 'fair' HUD buys homes in the white neighborhood and integrates black families to let them live there for a drastically reduced rate. This is considered 'fair' to HUD standards. So gangbangers get to destroy the neighborhood on 'our' dime thats 'fair'.
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Stop the ethnic cleansing on the southside! HUD is pushing all the whites out at record pace!!
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Rip: Riverdale, South Holland, Country Club Hills, Dolton, Lansing, Harvey, Evergreen Park, Calumet City. Once fine citys before the ethnic cleansing begun!

go back to the trailer park you hick

I graduated from Illinois but will likely never donate anything as an alum. I gave up on U of I when my more-qualified younger brother was denied admission. In the end, this was a blessing in disguise as he went on to not just succeed, but excel at ISU. I can understand that standards for admission evolve over time but he was a qualified in-state student who should have received preference over an out-of-stater. To this day, it breaks my heart to remember his voice on the phone we he told me he was denied admission, despite being qualified and deserving. We're not wealthy or connected so there was nothing to be done. Your loss, Illinois.

Here lady and gentleman is the root cause of the whole problem. Is not the fact that education at the lower tier school is sub-par because education is not. Companies simple won't hire from them. Personally, I believe the blame is not on the schools, the state, the parents, or students. The blame is on companies, too many are lazy to actually interview and hire people correctly. I bet there is not any job so complex at this guy company that someone from ISU or any other lower tier school can't perform.

Jim Paset wrote:

I work in the HR department for a large multi-national company. For entry level positions we place candidates in 3 tiers. Top tier is Ivy league, ND, Northwestern etc. Second tier is U of I, Wisconsin, etc. Third tier is everything else (i.e. state schools). 75% of new hires come from the top tier and 24.9% come from tier two. The only time we've hired someone from a tier three school is a family friend. Don't let anyone fool you into thinking that an dipoloma is a diploma. The name does matter. It's not just ther person. We don't hire the person because we don't know the person. We do put strong emphasis on the school. Get into the best school you can if you want a top job. If you want to be a teacher then go to a state school.

I still think U of I is a really easy school to get into.

Keep it simple stupid. Application design and format has a cell to check (Yes or No) if applicant has been designated an Illinois State Scholar.FURTHER PERUSAL: Accepted if a "No" is checked and rejected if a "Yes" is checked the applicant.I'm a U.of I. 1962 alumni. P.S. Again keep it simple stupid. The Top Ten Percent is the Top Ten Percent no matter what year.

This is outrageous!!!!!!!!!