Letters to the editor - Hawaii Editorials

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HayninAk wrote:

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Okay, consider me enlightened. She broke the law and was here illegally, now there is a consequence and it will impact others as well as her.

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She was 6 when her parents brought her here. How does the law apply to a child when the parents committed the illegal act?

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Glen wrote:

Richard,
I am hoping you don't honestly believe what you have written.
By not sending more troops, we are saving lives?
Do you honestly believe that? What about all the sons and daughters over there now, badly in need of support that this President is not giving.
He has been in so called control now for almost a year, he has been Commander in Chief for the same amount of time. He should have had a handle on this war from day one. He sure bragged about it enough in his campaigning. Then he brings in a new on the ground General and doesn't contact him for 70 days. Does this sound like a true Commander in Chief? Get real.
He is waiting to accept his trophy for his "Peace" before he makes a decision. He does not want to upset Copenhagen. This is a man that is not in control of this adminstration.
Then you slam Fox News, the News organization running away in the polls. You called them liars, but gave not one example. They can back up everything they say, they have the videos to prove it. Too bad, you aren't open minded enough to get your news from all sides.
You brought up HC, do you really want to be taxed at a higher rate for several years, before it even kicks in? Do you really think it will be better for all?
Leave the 230 million that are happy with their plans alone. Take care of the 60 billion a year in Medicare and Medicaid fruad and they can pay for the HC plan without touching the masses.
Do you really think this adminstration is leading this country to a better life with all the far left radicals? Careful what you wish for.

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richard wrote:

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Glen...I was being sarcastic. If you put everything into context, I was mocking the President and his ilk. And sure you can call me "Dick" for short, unlike some leader of the free world, I would have some balls and send over support for our troops and fight to win wars. If health care won't kick in five years from you why the rush? fix the economy. the dems feel if HC is passed then it would create job. when? five years from now?
people are out of work. business aren't making money, so they lay of people. most business provide thier workers with health care. most people don't jobs,therefore they have no health care insurance, because the job that they have wansn't making money. people don't have jobs so they can't spend money, supporting the work place that provide the jobs. so they can't buy insurance, that the world place use to provide.
kick in cap and trade...the existing place that don't have money will have to pay more taxes and cut down the energy emmission or pay a fine. thus cutting down production making less money, less money means less profit. less profit plus higher tax and fine leads to lay offs or out of business therefore , no jobs, no money, but greener earth.
now jobless dude with no money can't afford health care, must pay fine cannot pay fine goes to jail.
and it goes on and on. and all the things that weren't suppost to be in the first bill like supporting illegals, death panels and etc, are in this bill as well, so obama lied...

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Yeah wrote:

<quoted text>lol. You make some valid points. Then you go into "death panels" and I have to question your sanity.

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HayninAk wrote:

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Interesting how the libs first denied the piece of legislation referred to as "death panels" even existed. Then they removed what didn't exist from the bill under consideration. Now what didn't exist, and was removed anyway has been restored.
Call it what you want, but they clearly want the ability to ration healthcare based on some algorithm derived by the likes of Emmanuel included in the legislation.
If any of this legislation was defensible it would not have been voted on over the weekend under a cloak of secrecy.

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Bullshot Crummond wrote:

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Apparently "calling it what you want" was the source of the trouble. One might just as easily claim that Republicans who vote against health legislation are "death panels" -- would you consider that a fair representation? Or doesn't it matter who calls a rabbit a sheep anymore?
If it doesn't, the next time you bag a bighorn, I want the bunny's foot for good luck.
BTW, which HMO doesn't control costs by rationing services?

Bullshot Crummond wrote:

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Apparently "calling it what you want" was the source of the trouble. One might just as easily claim that Republicans who vote against health legislation are "death panels" -- would you consider that a fair representation? Or doesn't it matter who calls a rabbit a sheep anymore?
If it doesn't, the next time you bag a bighorn, I want the bunny's foot for good luck.
BTW, which HMO doesn't control costs by rationing services?

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HayninAk wrote:

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None of the HMO's that I am aware of mandate that everyone participate at the risk of fines and penalties up to and including imprisonment. Also, when someone is denied treatment by an HMO, they still have the option of paying a physician directly, for such treatment. These options will not exist under the proposed health plan.

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Bullshot Crummond wrote:

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I won't disagree with you on your qualifications, but it's still the point that HMOs will cut you if you fall into a certain category. That's how they cut costs.
You say someone denied treatment under the new plan could not pay a doctor for the same help outside if denied under the plan.
Why? What stops that happening other than some folks won't be able to afford treatment? Isn't that the case already?

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richard wrote:

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Glen...I was being sarcastic. If you put everything into context, I was mocking the President and his ilk. And sure you can call me "Dick" for short, unlike some leader of the free world, I would have some balls and send over support for our troops and fight to win wars. If health care won't kick in five years from you why the rush? fix the economy. the dems feel if HC is passed then it would create job. when? five years from now?
people are out of work. business aren't making money, so they lay of people. most business provide thier workers with health care. most people don't jobs,therefore they have no health care insurance, because the job that they have wansn't making money. people don't have jobs so they can't spend money, supporting the work place that provide the jobs. so they can't buy insurance, that the world place use to provide.
kick in cap and trade...the existing place that don't have money will have to pay more taxes and cut down the energy emmission or pay a fine. thus cutting down production making less money, less money means less profit. less profit plus higher tax and fine leads to lay offs or out of business therefore , no jobs, no money, but greener earth.
now jobless dude with no money can't afford health care, must pay fine cannot pay fine goes to jail.
and it goes on and on. and all the things that weren't suppost to be in the first bill like supporting illegals, death panels and etc, are in this bill as well, so obama lied...