Transgender Ga. woman claims she was wrongly fired

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edward wrote:

this person is totaly sick and schould be put away for good.that is very imoral.

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Dissident wrote:

When someone in their head believes they are someone they are not..like a different personality, we call it schizophrenic and treat it as a mental issue. But when someone in their head believes they are a different gender, we are so paranoid to be labeled with the dreaded stigma of 'homophobe' that we actually validate and play along with this very real mental issue.
Actually, political correctness forces us to play along. In San Francisco, tax payers flip the bill for sex change operations for city workers...sheesh!

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We have even watched as Oprah tried to introduce the world to the first pregnant man....jeeezus friggin' crist! Please people...you are born a man or woman....there are NO other options, hard as some mentally disabled people may try. You can be gay, straight, bi...whatever, but don't ask me to play along with anyone's mental disorder and validate their gender/race/species/galactical fantasy.
What's next, trans-cultural?

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Can I become a black person with a series of operations and expect to be treated as such and adopt all the cultural and social differences of a black man?

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Rikki S wrote:

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The interesting thing about the "tax payers flipping the bill" for sex change is that it didn't effect the insurance rate at all! If you are worried about insurance costs, then you should not allow obese folks, smokers, drinkers or others who abuse their bodies to be covered.
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Nobody is asking to do anything other than to stop being derrogatory toward another human being. Why are yo uso fixated on what is between their legs? I bet that you have interacted with many folks who were not who you thought they were.
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Ah yes, only in America can a poor black boy grow up to be a rich white woman!(Michael Jackson)

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Dissident wrote:

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It has nothing to do with insurance, it has to do with proper use of tax payers money. I would rather see it go to a medical necessity and not a medical fantasy...like a shrink to help those who think they're something they are not...and not a sex change to validate what they are not.

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I am not being derrogatory to anyone...I'm being derrogatory to the ridiculous notion that someone can be born as a male or female...and with enough money and mental confusion, they can reciprocate that and ask me to play along....like it was a kid on Holloween and I pretend Frankenstein is at my door.

Dissident wrote:

...and nice try to place some sexual perversion thing on me. But read again...I never said anything about anyone's genitalia....YOU were first to mention 'between there legs'. So then i suppose the question of sexual fixation should be toward you?
Tell me the difference between a person suffering from multiple personality disorder and someone who believes they are a gender that they quite simply are not? Focus and try to not divert it by trying to suggest I said something I never said...or by playing the lazy 'hate/bigot/homophobe' card. It's a simple mental issue question.

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Rikki S wrote:

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So you don't mind paying for health care related to someone's lifestyle like smoking, drinking.....? Those are definitely NOT medical necessities since the persppn CHOSE to abuse their body despite all the medical warnings. So far as the psych part of transgender....that is teh FIRST step. There is massive amounts of psych intervention to be sure that there isn't some other underlying cause THEN there is the hormones and "RLT" (Real Life Test) whereby the person lives for a full year, 24/7, in the role they belive themselves to be THEN and only then is any surgery performed.
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This has nothing to do with asking you to play along. This has everything to do with who that person is. A question for you to answer, when did you first know you were heterosexual? The same thing applies to a transgender person as they have always known they were transgendered.
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You are the one who said something about being white and wishing to be black.....I just filled in the real life version in reverse. The difference between multipe personality disorder and GID?? Let me put it back in your court. What are the accepted treatments for each? GID includes therapy, meds (not anything to skew they chemistry of the brain but to bring the body into alignment of who the person is) and finally surgery to change the body externally to match the person's inner self. Multiple personality is treated with therapy and drugs (to change the brain chemistry) and no surgery. Doesn't it seem kinda funny that the medical community has agreed that once a diagnosis of GID is made, there is NOTHING that can be done with therapy, only treatment with cross hormones and surgery? Seems like pretty drastic measure for a "psychological" disorder, doesn't it? BTW, GRS ("the surgery"), with few exceptions, is paid 100% in full by the person as insurance doesn't cover it.

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"Tell me the difference between a person suffering from multiple personality disorder and someone who believes they are a gender that they quite simply are not?"
Good Question! MPD is a psychological condition - something going wrong in the mind due to environmental factors. GID (Gender Identity Disorder) is the distress caused by a congenital physiological Intersex condition. Intersex means someone born with a body neither 100% male nor 100% female. In GID, the patient has a (mostly) female body - as often there are other IS conditions too - and a mostly male lymbic nucleus in the brain, the bit of the brain that indicates what gender they are. Or the reverse, a mostly male body and a mostly female brain.
It gets a bit complex sometimes - those people born with 5alpha-reductase-2 deficiency (5alpha-RD-2) or 17beta-hydroxysteroid dehydrogenase-3 deficiency (17beta-HSD-3) look like girls at birth, but later masculinise.
"Gender role changes were reported in 56-63% of cases with 5alpha-RD-2 and 39-64% of cases with 17beta-HSD-3 who were raised as girls. The changes were usually made in adolescence and early adulthood. In these two syndromes, the degree of external genital masculinization at birth does not seem to be related to gender role changes in a systematic way."
May I suggest that you read http://aebrain.blogspot.com/2008/06/bigender-... on the subject, or possibly http://aebrain.blogspot.com/2007/10/ts-101.ht... - "Transsexuality for Beginners"

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Dissident wrote:

<quoted text>......You are still avoiding my question: What's the difference between someone suffering from multiple personality disorder and someone who suffers from gender identification disorder? I'm talking about socially and mentally. You gave me a the treatments involved in a sex change...so what? Are you suggesting we should provide the same validation and treatment to acknowledge someone who has several personalities? Should we issue a social security number for each personality so this person(s) can collect for each self-manifested persona?....

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Rikki S wrote:

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Zoe gave you the answer in medical terms. I tried to give it to you in terms for someone non-medical to understand. When did you know who you were? Nobody told you, you just knew. Same thing for someone transgendered. They have known forever. There are things out there that don't always have a "medical" reason. Do you believe that ADHD exists? What is the medical etiology? We know the treatment, but we don't know what causes it. I have searched far and wide for a reason to explain transgenderism that is 100% sure and can't find one. There are a few studies like the ones Zoe gives, but some find fault with them, so we have yet to find the 100% sure cause. Why would someone who is well educated and has a job with a great deal of respect "choose" to change genders unless it is something they were born with? Why has transgenderism been around for entire recorded history? Why does transgenderism occur across all countries, all socioeconomic groups, all races, all religions...? There has to be a physiological reason that we have not proven, that is why.

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Rikki S wrote:

..... Why would someone who is well educated and has a job with a great deal of respect "choose" to change genders unless it is something they were born with? Why has transgenderism been around for entire recorded history? Why does transgenderism occur across all countries, all socioeconomic groups, all races, all religions...? There has to be a physiological reason that we have not proven, that is why.

Dissident wrote:

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It's not the same premise...and your responses were peppered with diversions and passive aggressive insinuations based on false conclusions you made of my intent. If you want to call me something, do it....I can't stand weenie inuendos.
People do recognize their sexuality at an early age, but you're asking something very different. Any young boy or girl can see there physical and obvious gender features. There's no denying the obvious physical features that determine one's gender. Sexuality is an untangible, but very definite and obvious self-indentity...be it straight, gay or bi. This is an inner reality that we each have. Gender, on the other hand, is a tangible, definite and obvious identity. If a boy can see his penis, yet believe he is a girl, my contention is that it is a mental issue.
I still contend that multiple personality disorder patients also are fully convinced of their very separate and real (to them), yet intangible personalities. And as with gender identity disorder patients, both share the same intangible 'feelings'...in spite of the obvious physical contradiction with the GID patients.
I will research the links provided and keep an open mind.