California Proposition 19: the Marijuana Legalization Initiative

juan wrote:

yes

yes yes!

(1998) "3. The most obvious concern when dealing with drug safety is the possibility of lethal effects. Can the drug cause death?
54. "4. Nearly all medicines have toxic, potentially lethal effects. But marijuana is not such a substance. There is no record in the extensive medical literature describing a proven, documented cannabis-induced fatality.
55. "5. This is a remarkable statement. First, the record on marijuana encompasses 5,000 years of human experience. Second, marijuana is now used daily by enormous numbers of people throughout the world. Estimates suggest that from twenty million to fifty million Americans routinely, albeit illegally, smoke marijuana without the benefit of direct medical supervision. Yet, despite this long history of use and the extraordinarily high numbers of social smokers, there are simply no credible medical reports to suggest that consuming marijuana has caused a single death.
56. "6. By contrast aspirin, a commonly used, over-the-counter medicine, causes hundreds of deaths each year.
57. "7. Drugs used in medicine are routinely given what is called an LD-50. The LD-50 rating indicates at what dosage fifty percent of test animals receiving a drug will die as a result of drug induced toxicity. A number of researchers have attempted to determine marijuana's LD-50 rating in test animals, without success. Simply stated, researchers have been unable to give animals enough marijuana to induce death.
58. "8. At present it is estimated that marijuana's LD-50 is around 1:20,000 or 1:40,000. In layman terms this means that in order to induce death a marijuana smoker would have to consume 20,000 to 40,000 times as much marijuana as is contained in one marijuana cigarette. NIDA-supplied marijuana cigarettes weigh approximately .9 grams. A smoker would theoretically have to consume nearly 1,500 pounds of marijuana within about fifteen minutes to induce a lethal response.
59. "9. In practical terms, marijuana cannot induce a lethal response as a result of drug-related toxicity."

Pedro De Pacas wrote:

"If I only had a brain!"

So true, maybe you can find one at the Ace Hardware discount sale this weekend.

Pedro De Pacas wrote:

Yo, budH,(lost fool) so you are a racist and dumb as a rock, tell your mom to stop showing you how to turn the computer on loser! I didn't know Section 8 covered free computers! Listen to Judy, she'll school you idiot! "If I only had a brain!"

Dear ol mom has been in the ground over fifty years.She never heard of a computer.
I got my degree in marine engineering before your mom met dear ol dad.
You are just a latter-day pustule that does not have a clue. You make sounds on the intelligent level of the wildebeest that have no redeeming qualities. You are an empty vulgar person. Have a good day.

Provocateur wrote:

(1998) "3. The most obvious concern when dealing with drug safety is the possibility of lethal effects. Can the drug cause death?
54. "4. Nearly all medicines have toxic, potentially lethal effects. But marijuana is not such a substance. There is no record in the extensive medical literature describing a proven, documented cannabis-induced fatality.
55. "5. This is a remarkable statement. First, the record on marijuana encompasses 5,000 years of human experience. Second, marijuana is now used daily by enormous numbers of people throughout the world. Estimates suggest that from twenty million to fifty million Americans routinely, albeit illegally, smoke marijuana without the benefit of direct medical supervision. Yet, despite this long history of use and the extraordinarily high numbers of social smokers, there are simply no credible medical reports to suggest that consuming marijuana has caused a single death.
56. "6. By contrast aspirin, a commonly used, over-the-counter medicine, causes hundreds of deaths each year.
57. "7. Drugs used in medicine are routinely given what is called an LD-50. The LD-50 rating indicates at what dosage fifty percent of test animals receiving a drug will die as a result of drug induced toxicity. A number of researchers have attempted to determine marijuana's LD-50 rating in test animals, without success. Simply stated, researchers have been unable to give animals enough marijuana to induce death.
58. "8. At present it is estimated that marijuana's LD-50 is around 1:20,000 or 1:40,000. In layman terms this means that in order to induce death a marijuana smoker would have to consume 20,000 to 40,000 times as much marijuana as is contained in one marijuana cigarette. NIDA-supplied marijuana cigarettes weigh approximately .9 grams. A smoker would theoretically have to consume nearly 1,500 pounds of marijuana within about fifteen minutes to induce a lethal response.
59. "9. In practical terms, marijuana cannot induce a lethal response as a result of drug-related toxicity."

Which makes indeed Marijuana the safest medication and recreative product in the world. I know only Salvia divinorum as sharing such safety's and beneficial properties.

In fact prohibition always makes the prohibited products so much more dangerous that it cannot last a long time. Prohibition of marijuana works (for the gangsters)*because* marijuana has a null dangerousness. Those who made marijuana illegal deserve the Nobel Prize in Crime.

Drugs, the real dangerous one, like alcohol, are no more dangerous than window. You can kill yourself with a window. Is that a reason to make windows illegal?

Pedro De Pacas wrote:

Hey budh, bahahahhaahaaa!!!!!!!!

Is That your wildebeest call?.......it`s a good one:)

Bruno24 wrote:

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Which makes indeed Marijuana the safest medication and recreative product in the world. I know only Salvia divinorum as sharing such safety's and beneficial properties.
In fact prohibition always makes the prohibited products so much more dangerous that it cannot last a long time. Prohibition of marijuana works (for the gangsters)*because* marijuana has a null dangerousness. Those who made marijuana illegal deserve the Nobel Prize in Crime.
Drugs, the real dangerous one, like alcohol, are no more dangerous than window. You can kill yourself with a window. Is that a reason to make windows illegal?

We like to grow another little flower called Calendula.

CitizenTopix wrote:

Proposition 19 would change California Law to Legalize Marijuana and Allow It to Be Regulated and Taxed:

- Allows people 21 years old or older to possess, cultivate, or transport marijuana for personal use.

- Permits local governments to regulate and tax commercial production and sale of marijuana to people 21 years old or older.

- Prohibits people from possessing marijuana on school grounds, using it in public, smoking it while minors are present, or providing it to anyone under 21 years old.

- Maintains current prohibitions against driving while impaired.

How will you vote on November 2?

I'd vote yes.

Pedro De Pacas wrote:

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You are also another idiot! None of you should be allowed to vote cuz' you don't know how to research ziltch and are only concerned with dope and not the big picture, what, are you 12 or something!?

what's the big picture? are we voting for pedro? wtf? will you reschedule merrawanna? obamma dont wanna. cuz if u do then im voting 4 u, i like merrawanna i prefer that over alcohol anyday, what do u say?

Pedro De Pacas wrote:

Yo fools, does it look like anythings gettin' leglaized anytime soon! BAHAHA!!!
My crops are doin' well...and well, it looks like the price is goin' up due to supply and demand!
What a great F@#kin' day:))

oh and pleeze don't raise the prices bro, u know im loyzl to u pleeze bro b cool i havent fronted from u in a long time i pay up front now and with u i dont get ID'd or tax'd it's awsum.

I was recently pulled from my vehicle after parking in a lot and illegally searched. Myself and my wife are both cannabis patients. After presenting our legal documentation and cannabis to the police, they proceeded to search my vehicle for "Illegal narcotics" against my permission. I will add that there was NO reason to harass me. The officers explanation was "People come up here and smoke dope, drink and have sex" Jealous much? Anyhow, they confiscated my cannabis. Point here is, if you want to talk about slippery slopes we ought to be discussing how the state and government are acting in defiance the general public.
LAW IS LAW, when we vote for it, we mean it.
It is NOT an officers job to decide laws, only to keep them. These peoples oaths are a joke, and they only serve the clowns that put on the big circus act for the American crowd.

Not informed wrote:

<quoted text>i agree lets start a revolution!! How do we do it?

Stand behind me and I will automate the jobs of the middlemen world wide and make the system totally fair to everyone who ever lives.

As far as Pot, I see no way to justify not legalizing it since it has no negative effect on most people.

I have been trying to start a revolution for decades and the US judicial system fears me more than everyone else combined already based upon the numerous times I have stood against and beat them like rented mules in courts of law.

Weed isn't bad I have my medical card and it really helps if it's legalized it would help more people and it would lower the crime rates for non medical users.

Olivia Montgomery and Tasha (Todd) Hensley of Pullman Mi has aids and they are knowingly having unprotected sex. Their kids live in squaller its a crying shame.

The PIGS in California can't bust you for marijuana, because they won't bust illegal aliens. You can shoot the PIGS if they try to bust you because they are no longer enforcing the LAW! They can't bust you for marijuana and turn their heads to illegal aliens. They are corrupt and you have a right to protect yourself from these thugs who get their orders from Odamits czars.

I can not believe that people are still talking about this. Prop 19 isn't going to happen any time soon. Friggin po-dunk town, glad I left.

far from Ukiah wrote:

I can not believe that people are still talking about this. Prop 19 isn't going to happen any time soon. Friggin po-dunk town, glad I left.

We discuss to make it happen.

Prohibitionism is anti-ethical, anti-rational, anti-political, anti-economical. It leads to tyranny, soon or later.

5 years of prohibition of alcohol has given Al Capone.
75 years of prohibition of marijuana has given Obama.

By signing the bill NDAA the 31 december 2011, and by vetoing all changes of the text proposed to be coherent with the human rights and the constitution, Obama has betrayed America and americans.

He has also convinced me that the war on terrorism is as much fake as the war on drugs. They are just gangster fear selling technics.

Now we have to fight for the legalization of all drugs ONLY for saving democracy.

Drugs are no more dangerous than streets and window. The danger comes ONLY from prohibition, and they knew this at the start.

At least, since NDAA 2012, now, those who can read and think, know who are the "real" terrorists in this country.

If you doubt this search NDAA 2012 in wiki and search for the note 1021 and 1031. Read carefully, it is a master piece of hiding its real purpose, but it clearly defines a new, quite fuzzy, class of citizens, the "suspect of threat" and a clear statement for preventing the human rights and the constitution to apply to them (which is a non sense, especially in a fight against terrorism"). The FBI already classifies as "suspect of terrorism" those who ... defend the constitution.

America is dead. I guess the country was real sick since Nixon, but with Obama it is official. He made into laws, what we could have accepted from Bush as exceptional. Bye bye democracy.

Ok, my analogy with windows is perhaps a bit stretched. I could take roof (many domestic fatal accident), or sulfuric acid (very dangerous but completely legal).

Of course meth is dangerous per se, even heroin. Like sulfuric acid. But they would not exist as "dangerous drug" if all drugs were legal, because people would be informed, and such product would be properly regulated. If you can buy cheap cannabis and salvia in headshop, and heroin in medical center with prescription, you deter the heroin use much more than by making it illegal and offering the market to the gangster who targets the kids.

I think we agree on the main thing, and I will work on finding better comparison than with windows.