"illegal immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than citizens"

Yup,it's true

>On April 6, 2007, talk radio host, Larry Elder was talking about the argument that Bill O'Reilly and Geraldo Rivera had about an illegal alien drunk driver that killed two other persons in the commonwealth of Virginia during O’Reilly’s FOX cable show, The O’Reilly Factor. Elder stated that Rivera was factually in correct on the following statement:

"illegal immigrants commit crimes at a lower rate than citizens"

Elder challenged this statement by first misquoting Rivera by stating that he said there are less "occurrences" of illegal citizens committing crimes, but Geraldo's point emphasized "rate" and he never said "occurrences" which is a big difference. Occurrences measure actual numbers, and rate is a measurement of percent or proportion. If Rivera did say there were less occurrences of illegal immigrant arrests or those being incarcerated, then Elder would be absolutely correct. But Rivera was not wrong in his statement because he used the term “rate.” Elder went on to cite a study to further disparage Rivera’s statement that actually supported it.

A study by Federation for American Immigration Reform (FAIR) entitled “Illegal Aliens and Crime Incidence: Illegal Immigrants Represent a Disproportionately High Share of the Prison Population” states:

“Adult illegal aliens represented 3.1 percent of the total adult population of the country in 2003. By comparison, the illegal alien prison population represented a bit more than 4.54 percent of the overall prison population.”

First off, the second half of the statement is not correct and their own study reveals that, but let’s assume that these figures are correct. According to that quote, illegal immigrants are incarcerated a rate that is 1.1 percent higher than their population, which means that the incarceration rate among illegal aliens are extremely low as Rivera suggested to O’Reilly. For example, compare that to Black Americans who represent about 20 percent of the California population and 31.4 percent of the prison population. Additionally Blacks represent about 12 percent of the US population but an alarming 49 percent of the total U.S. prison population (Blumstein, 1993; Tonroy, 1995; U.S. Bureau of the Census, 1996).

Further more, this low incarceration rate for illegal immigrants is based on an estimate of 7 million adult illegal immigrants in the US in 2000. If this figure is an underestimate, as many suggest, then the illegal immigrant incarceration rate would drop from the 4.54 percent percentage cited in the report.

The conclusion that illegal immigrants are incarcerated at a higher rate than their population, according to the FAIR study, compares the illegal immigrant adult population to not the illegal immigrant prison population but to the number of days that illegal aliens spent in prison compared the total number of days that all inmates spent in prison. This is flawed, because those total days that illegal aliens spent in prison include repeat offenders. I have never read a scientific study in a peer reviewed journal that would compare a population (7 million illegal aliens) to days spent (27 million) and conclude anything of merit from that comparison, but this is the article that Elder cited and this is why he is factually incorrect about what Rivera said on O’Reilly’s show. Even using these flawed statistics, the illegal immigrant population is incarcerated at a low rate compared to their share of the population, and if the FAIR researchers determined a way to extract the repeat offenders from that figure, that rate would be more accurate (could be higher or lower).<

One hour and no response from the pitch
fork armies.

Where are all you hata's?

This is Los Angeles you dip wads

I.C.E. is a joke (on you)

Elvira Elvira- thats all you have to say?

Report Deport these nuts!

I could call mighty I.C.E ski mask
heads right now on my whole neighborhood,and they wouldn't do a damn
thing...

I guess mommys tucked you all in tonight
on the Eastern/central time zone.

I'm out keyboard warriors,

This is what I know...

A Mexican once told me he doesn't go to Mexican bars because he doesn't like knives.

In heavily Mexicanized areas, if your work truck breaks down and you leave it overnight, chances are there you will be coming back to a stripped truck.

I read a newspaper report the other day which stated that the murder rate and lawlessness in Mexico approaches that of Iraq.

A Mexican woman told me a few years ago that the reason many people leave Mexico is because of corrupt police and crime.

It stands to reason that a large percentage of those problems would come with those who illegaly enter America.

45% if the population in Los Angeles is hispanic (mostly Mexican) and most very poor. Poverty breeds things like crime so it wouldn't be surprising to hear these numbers existing (illegals being more prone to crime). Miami being the same thing... In Miami Hispanics account for 58% of the population (Cuban), again a lot these people live in poverty. Poverty and crime have a strong correlation. We could say the same about black communities ...like say Compton (but the Hispanic pop is increasing there as well). So could we say that blacks are the cause for such horrible crime in Compton or Memphis? As human beings, it is very natural to point fingers to make ourselves feel better for the wrongs that occur in this world. Look at how data is being portrayed or "framed." So, here the real problem is the poverty that that leads to the enormous about of crime (which is a problem no doubt) these people are living in...not the actual fact they are illegal or hispanic or black or from mars or wherever. The U.S isn't the only place this happens. In Spain its the Morrocans..in Germany its the Turkish people. Thanks for listing.

Ya Basta wrote:

This is what I know...
A Mexican once told me he doesn't go to Mexican bars because he doesn't like knives.
In heavily Mexicanized areas, if your work truck breaks down and you leave it overnight, chances are there you will be coming back to a stripped truck.
I read a newspaper report the other day which stated that the murder rate and lawlessness in Mexico approaches that of Iraq.
A Mexican woman told me a few years ago that the reason many people leave Mexico is because of corrupt police and crime.
It stands to reason that a large percentage of those problems would come with those who illegaly enter America.

oneways wrote:

One hour and no response from the pitch
fork armies.
Where are all you hata's?
This is Los Angeles you dip wads
I.C.E. is a joke (on you)
Elvira Elvira- thats all you have to say?
Report Deport these nuts!
I could call mighty I.C.E ski mask
heads right now on my whole neighborhood,and they wouldn't do a damn
thing...

I agree with most of what you say, BUT the reason there are fewer incarerated illegals is they are harder to catch: WE DON'T KNOW WHO THEY ARE AND THE LOCALS DON'T TALK. SIMPLE AS THAT