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California Broke, Thanks Mexico

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In local schools, indigenous children are taught to be proud of their past, of the original peoples who built large cities and developed extensive knowledge. But in present-day Mexico, being Indian implies low wages and rejection from society.

A study by the National Institute of Statistics indicates that 48.5 percent of the nation's indigenous population do not earn an income for the work they do. The rest, who do earn wages, usually receive a pittance.

Research also shows that only small percentages of the native population are involved in political or social organisations.

With the exception of groups centred in the Mexican south, such as the rebel Zapatista National Liberation Army (EZLN), indigenous peoples are generally not organised in groups that have national political relevance.

A survey published Thursday by 'El Universal' newspaper shows that 56.6 percent of the respondents believe there is racism in Mexico, and 61.1 percent say there is discrimination based on the colour of one's skin.

The indigenous peoples are in a clear situation of discrimination and disadvantage, something no one can deny, affirmed Oscar Gonz lez, president of the Mexican Academy of Human Rights.

In Mexico, as in other countries of Latin America, one of the most offensive insults is to call someone indio.

Though the indigenous issue periodically makes its way onto the political agenda, especially on dates like Oct 12, native representation in Congress and the government is practically zero.

A far cry from the commemorative events in 1992 for the 500th anniversary of the Spanish arrival in the Americas, native Mexicans now let the day pass by without much ado.

There were no specific proposals from anyone on Oct 12 to improve the fate of this group, beyond some declarations made in Congress, where representatives asked president-elect Vicente Fox, who takes office Dec 1, to remember Mexico's indigenous citizens.

Given the situation of hunger, misery and extreme violence in which indigenous peoples live, Mexico has a de facto apartheid against natives, maintained the National Plural Indigenous Assembly for Autonomy.

The roots of racism existing in Mexico, hidden or explicit, originate in the fifteenth century, when the Catholic Church debated whether or not natives had souls, point out historians.

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In local schools, indigenous children are taught to be proud of their past, of the original peoples who built large cities and developed extensive knowledge. But in present-day Mexico, being Indian implies low wages and rejection from society.
A study by the National Institute of Statistics indicates that 48.5 percent of the nation's indigenous population do not earn an income for the work they do. The rest, who do earn wages, usually receive a pittance.
Research also shows that only small percentages of the native population are involved in political or social organisations.
With the exception of groups centred in the Mexican south, such as the rebel Zapatista National Liberation Army (EZLN), indigenous peoples are generally not organised in groups that have national political relevance.
A survey published Thursday by 'El Universal' newspaper shows that 56.6 percent of the respondents believe there is racism in Mexico, and 61.1 percent say there is discrimination based on the colour of one's skin.
The indigenous peoples are in a clear situation of discrimination and disadvantage, something no one can deny, affirmed Oscar Gonz lez, president of the Mexican Academy of Human Rights.
In Mexico, as in other countries of Latin America, one of the most offensive insults is to call someone indio.
Though the indigenous issue periodically makes its way onto the political agenda, especially on dates like Oct 12, native representation in Congress and the government is practically zero.
A far cry from the commemorative events in 1992 for the 500th anniversary of the Spanish arrival in the Americas, native Mexicans now let the day pass by without much ado.
There were no specific proposals from anyone on Oct 12 to improve the fate of this group, beyond some declarations made in Congress, where representatives asked president-elect Vicente Fox, who takes office Dec 1, to remember Mexico's indigenous citizens.
Given the situation of hunger, misery and extreme violence in which indigenous peoples live, Mexico has a de facto apartheid against natives, maintained the National Plural Indigenous Assembly for Autonomy.
The roots of racism existing in Mexico, hidden or explicit, originate in the fifteenth century, when the Catholic Church debated whether or not natives had souls, point out historians.
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Tell that to Benito Juarez, Emiliano Zapata and a host of others of Mexican indigenous ancestry.

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10 States Nearing Financial Collapse
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I spoke too soon!!!
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Angels Flight wrote:
10 States Nearing Financial Collapse
http://www.mybanktracker.com/bank-news/2009/1...
California
Arizona
Rhode Island
Michigan
Nevada
Oregon
Florida
New Jersey
Illinois
Wisconsin
I wonder how much did they get from Washington, using the "illegal immigrants" excuse....over the years.

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FRITOBANdito wrote:
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Tell that to Benito Juarez, Emiliano Zapata and a host of others of Mexican indigenous ancestry.
Exceptions are not rules, Frito. And, I sincerely believe that Mexico has been pushing her indigenous population across the border for a long time - WITH the blessing of our government who doesn't mind all the cheap labor that keeps businesses happy (The Chamber of Commerce Lobby as an example).

I think that there is every reason to renegotiate NAFTA to assist both Mexican and American workers, and that Mexico should be put on notice about their own ethnically motivated discrimination and failures. Mexico is NOT a Third World nation. They simply treat some of their citizens as though they're Third World inhabitants.
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common sense wrote:
Imagine if USA was next to India or China? The illegal latinos don't seem so bad now do they?
I lived in a Mexican neighborhood, it was f--ked. I now live in a Chinese neighborhood, nice lawns, less crime, cleaner stores! Yes a majority latino population was very bad!!! your hypothesis s--ks!

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Jorge wrote:
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I wonder how much did they get from Washington, using the "illegal immigrants" excuse....over the years.
Have you ever wondered how much they gave to Washington?
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NTRPRNR1 wrote:
<quoted text>How about these folks?
Proud of Indigenous Past, Living a Racist Present
By Diego Cevallos, IPS, 12 October 2000*
(*date duly noted - but I doubt the story has changed much)
MEXICO CITY, Oct 12 (IPS)- Mexicans are proud of the nation's indigenous ancestors but discriminate against and marginalize their descendants. For most of the native peoples here, the 508 years since the arrival of Christopher Columbus in the Americas, commemorated Thursday, is just one more date to suffer.
Columbus, October 12, America, I don't know anything about it, said Mar¡a Ojeda, an indigenous woman who moved to the capital five years ago from the southern state of Chiapas, in response to questions about the significance of the date.
Like any other day, Ojeda, carrying her small baby on her back, was standing under a traffic signal asking for money from the drivers of the cars passing by, and withstanding their insults shouted through car windows.
A short distance away, fewer than 500 people from indigenous organisations staged a march to commemorate the date, which they said does not merit joyous celebrations.
In other cities around the country, similar demonstrations took place, though also suffering from low turnout, they managed to make some noise and draw police attention.
Ojeda, 42, is one of approximately 10 million indigenous people in Mexico. Of this group, 53 percent of the women and 33 percent of the men are illiterate.
Among the 803 municipalities with majority native populations, 83 percent are categorised as suffering high or very high marginalization, according to government studies.
Among the country's native groups, more than 80 languages are spoken, as well as numerous dialects. The governmental Indigenous Institute reports that there are 62 different ethnicities, each one representing a culture thousands of years old.
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233 years since it's inception, and the US celebrates it's first Black President. Discrimination no doubt exists in Mexico, but it's worse here.
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Jorge wrote:
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I wonder how much did they get from Washington, using the "illegal immigrants" excuse....over the years.
As we all know, nothing, thats why their in the toilet. Illegals drain these states, regardless of the nice reports of budget woes, poor management, it all political cover up of the major impacting factor to all these states. All these states have aggriculture and have been shipped millions of Latinos by the underground railroad of today if you read the paper.
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FRITOBANdito wrote:
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I personally know Blacks who live South and they do just fine. Fully accepted.
I lived in Tennessee for several years and there is still a LOT of bigotry.
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<quoted text>Exceptions are not rules, Frito. And, I sincerely believe that Mexico has been pushing her indigenous population across the border for a long time - WITH the blessing of our government who doesn't mind all the cheap labor that keeps businesses happy (The Chamber of Commerce Lobby as an example).
I think that there is every reason to renegotiate NAFTA to assist both Mexican and American workers, and that Mexico should be put on notice about their own ethnically motivated discrimination and failures. Mexico is NOT a Third World nation. They simply treat some of their citizens as though they're Third World inhabitants.
Keep blaming Mexico. They keep coming and your Federal government does nothing to stop it. Barking at the rock again?

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Looks like something coming down the line.

Schools compete for fed cash
http://www.sltrib.com/news/ci_13775579
California, Texas, New York and Florida stand to win the most:$350 to $700 million each. Duncan has not said how many states will share in the $4.35 billion, but the first round of applications is due in January.
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NTR: Relating to your post #3250, take the word "Mexico" and substitute it with the word "United States". Then take the word "indigenous" and substitute it with either the word "Black" (that one I think you can relate to, although sometimes I have reservations) or "Native American". Then reread. I think you and everyone else should get the gist.

Two wrongs don't make a right.
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Ben Franky lin wrote:
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I lived in a Mexican neighborhood, it was f--ked. I now live in a Chinese neighborhood, nice lawns, less crime, cleaner stores! Yes a majority latino population was very bad!!! your hypothesis s--ks!
We live next to ornamentals here in Westminster, Orange County. They grow corn in the front yard, rice in the back. They ate my cat and the dog. And they keep yacking to my kids, "tonite you die" tonite you die".
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Rico from East Los wrote:
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Lou Dobbs Abruptly Quits CNN
LA RAZA SHUT UP LOU DOBBS
Good man that lou Dobbs.
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formersoutherner wrote:
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I lived in Tennessee for several years and there is still a LOT of bigotry.
Tell that to NTR....
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DEPORTATION NOW..BRING BACK OPERATION WET.... CLEAN SWEEP OF THE WEST!
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FRITOBANdito wrote:
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Keep blaming Mexico. They keep coming and your Federal government does nothing to stop it. Barking at the rock again?
Give it up Fool!
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Quirky wrote:
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Give it up Fool!
Give it up?
Man, you must be one hard up bugger.
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