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wendy
Newbury Park, CA
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Dearest Dolts..it's unbeleivable to me that you would actually read that I called the disabled dolts. Try reading again. I think YOU would fit into the category of dolt. Which is what I was saying all along. Then again, only the truly ignorant would misread what really is being said. I am a diabled person, my child whom I raise is Learning Disabled. Only someone with nothing to say would pick apart the context of what I said in the first place. Have a good life..and try to educate yourself with the facts.
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Shane Matthews
Surrey, Canada
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wendy wrote: Dearest Dolts..it's unbeleivable to me that you would actually read that I called the disabled dolts. Try reading again. I think YOU would fit into the category of dolt. Which is what I was saying all along. Then again, only the truly ignorant would misread what really is being said. I am a diabled person, my child whom I raise is Learning Disabled. Only someone with nothing to say would pick apart the context of what I said in the first place. Have a good life..and try to educate yourself with the facts. I read fine, Wendy; unlike you, I don’t have a learning disability. Your writing is disjointed and, though I was fairly sure you weren’t calling the disabled dolts, I couldn’t be sure. Given your poor writing skills, and your preference for emotion over logic (the word “dolts” was never appropriate in a serious discussion), you’re the last one to be calling anyone a dolt. Having a learning disability doesn’t give you the right to snipe at people from the pedestal you place yourself on. Dolt.
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wendy
Newbury Park, CA
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I never did say I was Learning disabled. But it sure seems to me that rather than go back to the original subject. you've managed to attack me, all disabled persons whether learned or physical in order to avoid the topic at hand. No one except myself was able to answer the question about the protocol for the learning disabled on an exit exam. They take the same tests the so-called norm do. In case you care. Obviously you are far to uncomfortable with excepting disabled persons as real people, how does that make the rest of the population suffer? I think I'll go now and speak with people with at least a 6th grade education.
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Second Thoughts
Ridgecrest, CA
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wendy wrote: What about children with learning disabilities in math or reading? Suppose they have dyslexia or ADD? Passing the exit exam doesn't mean they are ignorant at all, on the contrary, these kids work much harder than the average dolt and are more intelligent, yet may be unable to pass the exam under the (given) circumstances. Well, considering that this lawsuit was filed by a black woman who, as far as I know, wasn't classified as learning disabled in the traditional sense, and you brought in the topic, or subject of learning disabled, there are three things being said, or implied according to your introduction of disability into this lawsuit. They are: 1) This exam is unfair to women, because you view women as learning disabled. 2) This exam is unfair to blacks, because you view blacks as learning disabled. 3)(And here's your out) You went totally off tangent from the topic of this thread. Now, I can understand, though I do not agree, that with the current view in the educational system that a specific group within a larger group is less adapt to survival ((..ie evolutionary worldview (maybe due to intellect considerations)) that somehow blacks and/or women may not be up to the intellectual challenge of an exit exam that their male and/or non-black peers can accomplish. However, this evolutionary worldview breeds racism. As you see,I graciously gave you an out. And this is even after you insulted me.
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Shane Matthews
Burnaby, Canada
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wendy wrote: I never did say I was Learning disabled. But it sure seems to me that rather than go back to the original subject. you've managed to attack me, all disabled persons whether learned or physical in order to avoid the topic at hand. No one except myself was able to answer the question about the protocol for the learning disabled on an exit exam. They take the same tests the so-called norm do. In case you care. Obviously you are far to uncomfortable with excepting disabled persons as real people, how does that make the rest of the population suffer? I think I'll go now and speak with people with at least a 6th grade education. You did say you were disabled and your daughter was learning disabled, and given the level of literacy and logic we’ve had on display here, I simply put two and two together. You do not learn well, whether or not you have an officially recognized condition; perhaps you are simply stupid. Stupidity isn’t a disorder or a syndrome...so far. And who are you to cast allegations of “attacking”? You’re the one who first called names, the now infamous “dolts” crack. As my wife would say:“Pot—kettle. Pot—kettle.” My idea of accepting disabled as real people is holding them to the same set of criteria as everyone else. It shows that I believe they can do it if they try. To waive the requirements in their case, of course, would be to condemn them to the discrimination of lower expectations. People who expect less from the disabled think they’re doing them a favour, but they’re not. “Sixth grade education?” With your third-grade writing skills, won’t you feel a little out of your depth?:-)
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Shane Matthews
Burnaby, Canada
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Second Thoughts wrote: <quoted text>
Well, considering that this lawsuit was filed by a black woman who, as far as I know, wasn't classified as learning disabled in the traditional sense, and you brought in the topic, or subject of learning disabled, there are three things being said, or implied according to your introduction of disability into this lawsuit.
They are:
1) This exam is unfair to women, because you view women as learning disabled.
2) This exam is unfair to blacks, because you view blacks as learning disabled.
3)(And here's your out) You went totally off tangent from the topic of this thread.
Now, I can understand, though I do not agree, that with the current view in the educational system that a specific group within a larger group is less adapt to survival ((..ie evolutionary worldview (maybe due to intellect considerations)) that somehow blacks and/or women may not be up to the intellectual challenge of an exit exam that their male and/or non-black peers can accomplish. However, this evolutionary worldview breeds racism.
As you see,I graciously gave you an out. And this is even after you insulted me. Why is it always black people who seem to object to these standardized tests? The same thing happened in Ontario, Canada, and from what I understand, elsewhere. Guess they don't take kindly to government exam markers who flag such Ebonic gems as "where you at" and "who you is."
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fhfcghj
Sun City, CA
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Cheeky Monkey wrote: <quoted text>
I think the exams are a great first step in building an absolute minimum baseline for what is expected of graduating students, but I would be wary of pushing the standardization of exams to the degree that Japan (can't speak for Germany) has. There, grades actually mean little, and the exams mean pretty much everything, and this causes a whole separate mess of problems. you are weird!!!
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Related
Tustin, CA
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Care to expound on why you feel the poster is weird? I don't know what the weird part is.
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wendy
Groveland, CA
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Second Thoughts wrote: <quoted text>
Well, considering that this lawsuit was filed by a black woman who, as far as I know, wasn't classified as learning disabled in the traditional sense, and you brought in the topic, or subject of learning disabled, there are three things being said, or implied according to your introduction of disability into this lawsuit.
They are:
1) This exam is unfair to women, because you view women as learning disabled.
2) This exam is unfair to blacks, because you view blacks as learning disabled.
3)(And here's your out) You went totally off tangent from the topic of this thread.
Now, I can understand, though I do not agree, that with the current view in the educational system that a specific group within a larger group is less adapt to survival ((..ie evolutionary worldview (maybe due to intellect considerations)) that somehow blacks and/or women may not be up to the intellectual challenge of an exit exam that their male and/or non-black peers can accomplish. However, this evolutionary worldview breeds racism.
As you see,I graciously gave you an out. And this is even after you insulted me. Thank you so much for your gracious out, even though you have proven yourself to be simply a bigot in all areas of anyone who may not be you. You're right I'm wrong, that's all now. ha
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Second Thoughts
Adelanto, CA
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Shane Matthews wrote: <quoted text>
Why is it always black people who seem to object to these standardized tests? The same thing happened in Ontario, Canada, and from what I understand, elsewhere. Guess they don't take kindly to government exam markers who flag such Ebonic gems as "where you at" and "who you is." My favorite is birfday.
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Second Thoughts
Adelanto, CA
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wendy wrote: <quoted text>Thank you so much for your gracious out, even though you have proven yourself to be simply a bigot in all areas of anyone who may not be you. You're right I'm wrong, that's all now. ha LOL!!! That's OK. I've been called worse by people I've respected.
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Second Thoughts
Adelanto, CA
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wendy wrote: <quoted text>Thank you so much for your gracious out, even though you have proven yourself to be simply a bigot in all areas of anyone who may not be you. You're right I'm wrong, that's all now. ha LOL, first, I was a homophobe, now I'm a bigot in all areas. Let's see if I can get labeled a communist, nazi, or anarchist next. Or better yet, a cartoonist.
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MARY
Riverbank, CA
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I have a daughter who is a sophmore in high school this year, she is an I.E.P. student who has a disability that limits her to what she can learn no matter how hard she tries, I think that this test is unfair to her because she has no control over this disability of hers, my daughter has took this test twice this year and has stressed herself out to much over passing so that she is able to recieve a diploma when its her turn to graduate, instead of a damn certificate, i feel that as long as a student dose their best to their ability why not give them a diploma that they deserve
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Shane Matthews
Surrey, Canada
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MARY wrote: I have a daughter who is a sophmore in high school this year, she is an I.E.P. student who has a disability that limits her to what she can learn no matter how hard she tries, I think that this test is unfair to her because she has no control over this disability of hers, my daughter has took this test twice this year and has stressed herself out to much over passing so that she is able to recieve a diploma when its her turn to graduate, instead of a damn certificate, i feel that as long as a student dose their best to their ability why not give them a diploma that they deserve What you feel does not matter, Mary. That diploma is supposed to mean that the recipient has achieved a certain scholastic standard. Lower the bar to let just anyone pass (for emotional reasons, of all the silly things) and you cheapen both everyone else's achievements and the value of the diploma itself--in which case it won't be worth having anymore. Either your daughter meets the standard or she does not. Either your daugher accepts her limits and works within them, or else goes the extra mile and accepts the harder work and higher stress that entails. There is no grey area, and there is no free ride. I presume I'm being clear.
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Carmen
Arcata, CA
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this might be off topic but i think the high school exit exam is just a way of making minorities unsucessfull.. i personally took it and past both parts the first time but i think the test is not fair. many high schools like Beverly hills and many schools in the valley have high testing scores wich means that the school gets more funding than those schools in rural ares whose teasting scores are very low. This makes students who attend a less funded school at greater rick to fail. i personally think this test is set up to make minorities which of course attend low income schools less succesful and make it harded for the to to go college...
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Carmen
Arcata, CA
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i think what i am basicly saying is not that the test is good or bad but dont give some students a better education than others and expect them to pass the same test.....*~*CARMEN*~*
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Shane Matthews
Surrey, Canada
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Carmen wrote: this might be off topic but i think the high school exit exam is just a way of making minorities unsucessfull.. i personally took it and past both parts the first time but i think the test is not fair. many high schools like Beverly hills and many schools in the valley have high testing scores wich means that the school gets more funding than those schools in rural ares whose teasting scores are very low. This makes students who attend a less funded school at greater rick to fail. i personally think this test is set up to make minorities which of course attend low income schools less succesful and make it harded for the to to go college... Sure, Carmen. Two plus two only equals four if you’re Whitey. Otherwise it can equal whatever you want it to be. Just hope that none of those “disadvantaged” would-be graduates ends up designing the airplanes you fly on, the bridges you drive over, or the buildings you work in.
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Second Thoughts
Apple Valley, CA
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Carmen wrote: this might be off topic but i think the high school exit exam is just a way of making minorities unsucessfull.. i personally took it and past both parts the first time but i think the test is not fair. many high schools like Beverly hills and many schools in the valley have high testing scores wich means that the school gets more funding than those schools in rural ares whose teasting scores are very low. This makes students who attend a less funded school at greater rick to fail. i personally think this test is set up to make minorities which of course attend low income schools less succesful and make it harded for the to to go college... Since, you've taken the exam, yourself, you know that this exam only expects an 8th grade level in comprehension. So, you're saying a 12th grade minority dosen't know an 8th grade education, whereas a someone coming from say Beverly Hills would? I thought 2+2=4 no matter where one went to school. That's the beauty of the exam. It's all emperical. It's not ethnic biased. It's not racially biased. It's not gender biased. Math has a language that transcends all geographic borders. The square root of 125 is the same in America, China, Africa, Europe, and even the Middle East (as long as its not in a cartoon). Not to mention, if one goes to school in America, one should know the rudimentary nuances of the language you use (assuming one respects the country enough to learn its language)
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Veronica
Wasco, CA
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I think the high schoolers shouldn't have an exit exam, beause school isn't all that easy, and taking an exam will just put more pressure on them. Trust me, I'm from Wasco.
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Related
Tustin, CA
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Veronica wrote: I think the high schoolers shouldn't have an exit exam, beause school isn't all that easy, and taking an exam will just put more pressure on them. Trust me, I'm from Wasco. There's nothing wrong with putting more pressure on them. Things were so lax when I was in school (CA) that I skated through, no pressure, and I haven't gotten very far in life because of my limited knowledge. I could have used a little pressure to expand my horizons.:(
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