Wetland issues could bog down plans for medical center in north...

Forget about the wetlands, we need jobs! Fill in the holes and start building.

Does this mean the rich won't be getting richer? And the poor slobs of Northern Summit will have to travel south to mingle with the "less desirable"?

Use Common Sense wrote:

Forget about the wetlands, we need jobs! Fill in the holes and start building.

Well that didn't take long. The ignorant are up early today.

"Only when the last tree has died, and the last river been poisoned, and the last fish been caught,
will we realise we cannot eat money"

Good. If they can't build there, then maybe the Cleveland Clinic can conduct their inevitable take-over on Akron General *now* instead of 10 years from now.

Lord knows, that hospital is starting to circle the drain.

I have to admit we do need jobs, but;

At what cost?
Who is really profitting off of this project?

Can this project be scaled down, serve the public but protect the enviornment?

How "Green friendly" is this project going to be?

Are they going to be using any alternative energy sourses?

How much traffic congestion is this project going to create not only from this facility but also from the expected development of shopping centers, new home bulders, more sewer, water services that will eventually be developed also?

You know, this area is really nice and do you want to have this sort of "impovement"?

I live in a fairly nice area that isn't developed yet and I sure would not want this sort of development in my neighborhood regardless of how many jobs might be created. We are not in a rich area niether poor, but, we still love it when we don't have to fight traffic and rude people all the time.

cr-akron wrote:

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Well that didn't take long. The ignorant are up early today.
"Only when the last tree has died, and the last river been poisoned, and the last fish been caught,
will we realise we cannot eat money"

yes you are up quite early today. i'm sick of people worrying about a stupid duck that can go live somewhere else as opposed to progress. what people like you will never understand is that buildings are torn down and not replaced too. i'll bet you're against drilling for oil in alaska because it might bother a moose or bear. a better alternative to making the ducks move away would be to kill them and give them to the haven of rest. duck is a fine meal you know.

no one important wrote:

<quoted text>yes you are up quite early today. i'm sick of people worrying about a stupid duck that can go live somewhere else as opposed to progress. what people like you will never understand is that buildings are torn down and not replaced too. i'll bet you're against drilling for oil in alaska because it might bother a moose or bear. a better alternative to making the ducks move away would be to kill them and give them to the haven of rest. duck is a fine meal you know.

Rather than butcher innocent animals, why don't we start burning down meth labs and start slaughtering crack dealers instead? The problem isn't animal overpopulation, it's lowlife scum like rapists, drug dealers, murderers and welfare scammers. Get rid of these people and we'll have places to build hospitals and such. Just an idea...

It is interesting that the EPA and army corp of engineers only picks their "pet projects" to fight. We've been trying to get them to Peninsula for 5 years to look at all the damage, flooding, loss of habitat, etc. the National Park has done to our Village with their un-permitted projects and they won't even respond. But of course it's the Federal Government and one isn't going to step on the other's toes now are they? Bet if it was a private citizen doing this they'd be all over it.

no one important wrote:

<quoted text>yes you are up quite early today. i'm sick of people worrying about a stupid duck...

The topic is not about ducks but about a main source of clean water for the region. In case you haven't noticed, clean water is a precious resource. Your life, such as it is, depends upon a regular supply of it.

no one important wrote:

<quoted text>yes you are up quite early today. i'm sick of people worrying about a stupid duck that can go live somewhere else as opposed to progress. what people like you will never understand is that buildings are torn down and not replaced too. i'll bet you're against drilling for oil in alaska because it might bother a moose or bear. a better alternative to making the ducks move away would be to kill them and give them to the haven of rest. duck is a fine meal you know.

Not opposed to progress. But my idea of progress is not raping the earth. Putting concrete in every possible hole is not the answer.

Sometimes buildings are torn down, yes. But more often than not, they remain abandoned until they fall down. Monkey Wards in the falls for example. So rather than tear down more trees why don't we utilize those areas instead. Why is it the duck always has to be the one to move?

Yes, I am against drilling, but not just for the sake of saving a bear or moose. But because it's obtuse thinking. Why does everyone think that'll solve our problems? It won't. We are to dependant on one resource which is illogical. We need new sources of energy.

Ducks may be tastey. But if the duck has no place to live, how can you get the chance to eat it?

Isn't that physician owned hospital in hudson with summa also on the wetlands. seems to me that akron general is more concerned with the community and the environment than any hospital. its the only hospital that i trust

Give Me A Break wrote:

Good. If they can't build there, then maybe the Cleveland Clinic can conduct their inevitable take-over on Akron General *now* instead of 10 years from now.
Lord knows, that hospital is starting to circle the drain.

environmentalist wrote:

Isn't that physician owned hospital in hudson with summa also on the wetlands. seems to me that akron general is more concerned with the community and the environment than any hospital. its the only hospital that i trust
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Only because they're land-locked where they are now, and have dropped the ball totally regarding merging with other facilities save Edwin Shaw, Lodi Hospital, and now the Clinic. Believe me, a higher entity like CCF isn't looking to partner with AGMC, they're looking to expand in the Akron area, by getting a foothold in there and taking over. AGMC now lacks the resources to build anywhere, as the drastic cut backs on supplies/support staff budgets/etc. on the nursing units shows. So yeah. They're environmentally friendly. Out of clean sheets, no hand sanitizer dispensers in every patient room, and good luck getting anything other than stale saltines after 7pm. Translates to no chemicals from the laundry, no harmful chemicals on the nurses hands, and no wasted food.

If you don't trust anyone else but AGMC, more power to you.

Annoyed wrote:

<quoted text>...why don't we start burning down meth labs and start slaughtering crack dealers instead? The problem isn't animal overpopulation, it's lowlife scum like rapists, drug dealers, murderers and welfare scammers. Get rid of these people and we'll have places to build hospitals and such. Just an idea...

BECAUSE WE CAN'T EAT THEM!!!!! I don't eat steak, turkey, chicken, pork because there are too many turkeys, chickens, pigs or too much cattle! The point about taking ducks to the Haven of Rest for food was obviously in jest (at least to anyone with a sense of humor). From the article, it appears there are other wetlands which won't be affected, and this particular wetland area would appear to be as little affected as the builders can possibly manage. The points about traffic, and additional businesses being established are good, and one would expect this has already been studied. That issue is up to the local residents and government to resolve. But again FROM THE STORY it sounds like the wetland issue is relatively minor--let's hope so, anyway.

cr-akron wrote:

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Why is it the duck always has to be the one to move?
Yes, I am against drilling, but not just for the sake of saving a bear or moose. But because it's obtuse thinking. Why does everyone think that'll solve our problems? It won't. We are to dependant on one resource which is illogical. We need new sources of energy.

The duck has to be the one to move since it's a lot easier for him.

We may be "dependent on oil" and need new sources of energy, but that ain't gonna happen in a week or month or year. It's going to take awhile, and we will need more oil in the meantime. So bring on the drilling.

no one important wrote:

<quoted text>yes you are up quite early today. i'm sick of people worrying about a stupid duck that can go live somewhere else as opposed to progress. what people like you will never understand is that buildings are torn down and not replaced too. i'll bet you're against drilling for oil in alaska because it might bother a moose or bear. a better alternative to making the ducks move away would be to kill them and give them to the haven of rest. duck is a fine meal you know.

Yes and when Hudson, Twinsburg and Boston Heights flood because you diverted the natural flow of water, and when those areas have horrible mosquito issues because of man made stagnant wet lands, you'll forget that you destroyed natural habitat. This project, the soccer stadium that would have destroyed even more wetlands and the Seasons Road project all need to be scratched completely. Tell me why we have to keep spreading out when our overall population is dwindling? Oh that's right, rich caucasians can't live near anything remotely middle class.

This is about the state getting their cut before they let the clinic build. Nothing more.

cr-akron wrote:

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Well that didn't take long. The ignorant are up early today.
"Only when the last tree has died, and the last river been poisoned, and the last fish been caught,
will we realise we cannot eat money"

A $71 million dollar project and 300 new jobs, this may not be needed in Tennesee but it is needed here. You're calling me ignorant because I want to see jobs move into this area and you'd rather p!ss it all away to save a 3.14 acre mud hole. You're a du^^b*ss!!

Someone else started it and I'll add on. Are you telling me there is no falling down empty buildings in the area that could/should be torn down and replaced by this facility. Why do we have to cut trees, destroy wetlands, when areas where we have already done that, sit empty? An earlier writer identified one in the Falls, How about that eye-sore Stow-Kent Plaza? How about 1/2 of Downtown Kent, they are looking for a developer. I am Positive there are empty giant warehouses in the Twinsburg business park area off 91 sitting empty. And the next victim is another Twinsburg tract of treed land to build another Legacy-Village-like shopping area. Good Grief.

You're quite right, the jobs are important, but they can be "recreated", or shifted from Akron proper to Northern Summit County, in a number of locations that would not affect the head-spring of a unique water system. Macadonia has already expressed a strong desire to have such a facility located in it's neck of the woods; the cities of Cuyahoga Falls, Hudson and Stow, along with Summit County, are also readying to develop an area on Seasons Road for just such an enterprise.

Perhaps now certain folk know why they got such a good deal on the land in Twinsburg, eh? Other commercial interests had to jump through even more hoops to develope certain commercial property at Twinsburg prior to this so it should not have come as a surprise to any of them.

Annoyed wrote:

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Rather than butcher innocent animals, why don't we start burning down meth labs and start slaughtering crack dealers instead? The problem isn't animal overpopulation, it's lowlife scum like rapists, drug dealers, murderers and welfare scammers. Get rid of these people and we'll have places to build hospitals and such. Just an idea...

stop calling animals innocent. they are nothing more than mobile food. i agree with you on the rest though.