Neighbors Say Neigh To Mini-Horse

FRESH Food for Thought wrote:

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REDiculous?!?! Does that mean your face is 'red' over the ridulous statements you just made? Gathering information to DEFEND yourself (when accused criminally) is a Constitutional Right! Wouldn't YOU defend yourself if you were the accused? Wouldn't ANYone that lives in that neighborhood seek facts and information?
IF there was a 45-page email, as you stated, my guess is that the attorney (remember, he is also father of the child that loves the little horse!) may have been presenting information that would clearly indicate that miniature horses are not and never have been livestock; especially given the time and energy the LOUD minority has put into perpetuating this issue. I would also guess that the attoney spent several of those pages (and his time!) in an attempt to ensure that the ordinances, covenants and laws were understood -- as they were written...not as he WISHED they were written. You are right ~ that was being a nice neighbor!!
Readers should know that the owner-of-the-household-pet-min iature-horse DID NOT SERVE those supoenas at 10p.m.... nor serve any of the neighbors as they walked around in thier neighborhood!... THE COURT DID! Just didn't want your comments to lead others to actually BELIEVE that HE was doing that... that is ridiculous!...Supoenas are delivered by law enforcement ...(the accused doens't chase them down!!)
(My guess again, but...) When ANYone ~NEIGH-saying neighbor or not~ files a complaint and SIGNS LEGAL documents that accuse/suggest/suspect someone of wrong doing ...they should expect to have to EXPLAIN those complaints IN A LEGAL MANNER...don't you think?
hmmmm...just a thought...but what makes the cute little bunnies, chicks and ducks you give a child at Easter a HOUSEHOLD pet and not livestock?...hmmm...some ARE livestock (raised intentionally for food)...hmmm... but the ones you give children are intentionally pets ... are you going to complain during the holidays when children get 'little pets' for Easter?
A miniature-horse IS not livestock... he can stay in that neigh-borhood!!:)

You should get your facts straight. And yes some of the subpoeanas were handed out at 10:00pm and some were handed out by Copelands wife. They were never delivered by law enforcement!! And she did chase a neighbor down in the neighborhood and throw it at him. Real mature! So who are you if you think you know so much about the situation? I happen to have parents that live in the neighborhood who have been harrassed by this guy and its becoming personal. Its not about the pony with this guy and it never has been. And if his boys love this pony so much why aren't they ever seen outside playing with it? Just a question.

Just so you know wrote:

The horse is in the back yard, but a large portion of the yard had a wrought iron fence installed a few weeks before Dakota came to the neighborhood. Their house is by the entrance gate. Everyone who comes into the neighborhood has to pass by their wrought iron fenced side yard and can see Dakota. You don't have to be "nosey" to know he is there.

If this is the case. It poses and even greater risk to Dakota's health in his care and raising. An iron fence opens up all kinds of hazards (depending on it's structure) to a miniture horse from getting a head stuck, to childhood mischief from the outside of the already too confined area. There are too many things here that spell problems for Dakota.

concerned mommie wrote:

<quoted text>Well said. Mr. Copeland knew what would happen before he ever bought the animal he is after all an attorney. Seems to me he is looking for some attention. Attention that he is gettign at the expense of a horses well being. I would never want the man to represent me.
You could raise a child in one room. Feed it cloth it etc. But is this in the child;s best interest? CERTAINLY NOT!!
As you said "Not impossible, but certainly questionable"

Well said! Couldn't of said it better myself!

Tom wrote:

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If this is the case. It poses and even greater risk to Dakota's health in his care and raising. An iron fence opens up all kinds of hazards (depending on it's structure) to a miniture horse from getting a head stuck, to childhood mischief from the outside of the already too confined area. There are too many things here that spell problems for Dakota.

I don't know about him getting his head stuck but anyone can approach him from his front yard once they are in the gate.

I sure hope no one has a house for sale in this Neigh-borhood. It's for sure it won't sell now!!

Extremely upight!

What happend to neighborly love..

Sounds like you are the horse owner!

Sounds like you are the horse's owner

FRESH Food for Thought wrote:

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REDiculous?!?! Does that mean your face is 'red' over the ridulous statements you just made? Gathering information to DEFEND yourself (when accused criminally) is a Constitutional Right! Wouldn't YOU defend yourself if you were the accused? Wouldn't ANYone that lives in that neighborhood seek facts and information?
IF there was a 45-page email, as you stated, my guess is that the attorney (remember, he is also father of the child that loves the little horse!) may have been presenting information that would clearly indicate that miniature horses are not and never have been livestock; especially given the time and energy the LOUD minority has put into perpetuating this issue. I would also guess that the attoney spent several of those pages (and his time!) in an attempt to ensure that the ordinances, covenants and laws were understood -- as they were written...not as he WISHED they were written. You are right ~ that was being a nice neighbor!!
Readers should know that the owner-of-the-household-pet-min iature-horse DID NOT SERVE those supoenas at 10p.m.... nor serve any of the neighbors as they walked around in thier neighborhood!... THE COURT DID! Just didn't want your comments to lead others to actually BELIEVE that HE was doing that... that is ridiculous!...Supoenas are delivered by law enforcement ...(the accused doens't chase them down!!)
(My guess again, but...) When ANYone ~NEIGH-saying neighbor or not~ files a complaint and SIGNS LEGAL documents that accuse/suggest/suspect someone of wrong doing ...they should expect to have to EXPLAIN those complaints IN A LEGAL MANNER...don't you think?
hmmmm...just a thought...but what makes the cute little bunnies, chicks and ducks you give a child at Easter a HOUSEHOLD pet and not livestock?...hmmm...some ARE livestock (raised intentionally for food)...hmmm... but the ones you give children are intentionally pets ... are you going to complain during the holidays when children get 'little pets' for Easter?
A miniature-horse IS not livestock... he can stay in that neigh-borhood!!:)

"Are You the owner of the horse?"

so concerned mommie what you are actually saying is that everyone who owns a single dog is also guilty of animal cruelty? dogs are also pack animals. but we are to be considered their alpha dog, there for they are in a pack. just like a horse has an alpha, their human. i have owned hores all my life and have at times had single horses, and i can assure you their was no cruelty involved! humans do not have alphas therefore it is not the same as staying with a herd of horses. nice try

i can promise you if this guy were to get a pot bellied pig (allowed in city limits) these neighbors would be pleading for this pony to come back!

BAmom wrote:

so concerned mommie what you are actually saying is that everyone who owns a single dog is also guilty of animal cruelty? dogs are also pack animals. but we are to be considered their alpha dog, there for they are in a pack. just like a horse has an alpha, their human. i have owned hores all my life and have at times had single horses, and i can assure you their was no cruelty involved! humans do not have alphas therefore it is not the same as staying with a herd of horses. nice try
i can promise you if this guy were to get a pot bellied pig (allowed in city limits) these neighbors would be pleading for this pony to come back!

You think humans don't have alphas? You better rethink that one.

WHere in the world is Mr Ed when you need to know how the horse feels????

concerned mommie wrote:

<quoted text>You think humans don't have alphas? You better rethink that one.

I will admit I did not read her post but that sounded threatning. Dont get mad it's the internet.

Every one of you is entitled to your opinion. It must be nice to be able to freely express your thoughts about a situation that you really know very little about. People who actually live in the neighborhood feel they are unable to express their opinions if they disagree with him for fear of having to engage in litigation with the man. The majority gets along and enjoys the neighborhood. The majority are friendly, wave as you pass by and will engage in conversation. If they say anything to disagree with him, they are blasted with a lecture and the lecture always includes threats of possible/potential litigation. It's not fair that he can have his say but they don't feel that they can. People say the neighbors need to mind their own business. The same could be said for Mr. Copeland. He does drive around the neighborhood taking pictures of others property. The neighborhood is only one street and he lives next to the only entrance. He has been seen slowly driving around up to six to ten times in one day and at various times photographing neighbors homes. A 45 page e-mail was sent out by him but it was NOT mainly to defend the horse. It was so that everyone could read his personal opinion of other people who have tried to serve in the neighborhood. He disagreed with them. His 45-page e-mail was mixed with legal lingo and personal attacks. His yard is not in total disarray now but he doesn't keep it up on a regular basis. It is very interesting that now that he has the news involved that he has been doing more maintenance. Maybe he will keep it up. He did have a chance to put up a privacy fence. But he put up a wrought iron fence and then within a few weeks of putting it up, he bought a horse/household pet/equine, whatever. Everyone that comes into the neighborhood has to drive by his yard and can see his horse. You don’t have to be “nosey”. It would be interesting to see his petition stating that the majority of 51 homes are okay or agree with the horse in the neighborhood. I hazard to say that the question that was asked of the signers was not that specific. It was more like,“Do you like my horse and do you think a miniature horse is livestock?” The questions were vague at best and, if they disagreed, I understand they were asked several questions as to why they didn't agree or wouldn't sign it and were given the facts as to sell the idea to them. Some may have signed just to get him out of their front door. There are many people out of fifty-one that do not think his horse belongs in a neighborhood like this. The houses are very close together. There are also those outside of the neighborhood who think it silly. They don’t all voice their opinions but I don’t see anything wrong with asking the city about the concern. I hope the city comes through for them. None of them expected this when they moved in. If he wins, maybe this will be the last of his antics....but if not, the neighbors will no doubt have to deal with more of them. Maybe he should try to make amends and let bygones be bygones.....but, unfortunately, the 45 pager indicates he can't and he won't.

I take it you live in the neighborhood?

no i dont have an alpha, other than god. but i can promise you he doesnt go in the backyard with me and throw a ball around. so if that is what you are speaking of then it is not the same. what about the dog comment? have you ever owned just one dog? or maybe a family member has? then i should call the city because that is animal abuse in your eyes. dogs are also pack animals.

rethink it? your comments still make no sense.

Nani where IS mr ed? i believe he stayed by himself. bet he was ok with it! lol

BA mom. Your following of this issue and some of your contectual relays have given you away. Maybe better to lay down your guard and admit the best interest of Dakota is a larger acreage environment. Harboring an animal in confines not suited to their environment is actionable.

Sure hope those who might have their home for sale are disclosing this litigation. If I bought a home and found out it was entrenched in litigation and nobody told me I would turn around and sue the seller and the realtor.

dakota is a tiny horse that actually IS smaller than my dog. i own a home that is 2 years old and do not have the biggest backyard, but i take very good care of my animals. as long as this animal isnt left in the backyard by itself, which NO animal should be then there is absolutely nothing wrong with this horse being there. i'd prefer a little boy have a pony he wants to play with than some trash who leave their dogs in their backyards 24/7. do you think that is right? i OWN my home outright, and if you think as a neighbor you are going to tell me what i can and cant keep in my backyard, you have another thing coming.livestock is livestock yes. a mini horse is a pet.

And Neighbor, if you are going to try to use "big" words please at least spell them correctly contextual like context.

What is the name of this neighborhood HOA??

BAmom wrote:

dakota is a tiny horse that actually IS smaller than my dog. i own a home that is 2 years old and do not have the biggest backyard, but i take very good care of my animals. as long as this animal isnt left in the backyard by itself, which NO animal should be then there is absolutely nothing wrong with this horse being there. i'd prefer a little boy have a pony he wants to play with than some trash who leave their dogs in their backyards 24/7. do you think that is right? i OWN my home outright, and if you think as a neighbor you are going to tell me what i can and cant keep in my backyard, you have another thing coming.livestock is livestock yes. a mini horse is a pet.
And Neighbor, if you are going to try to use "big" words please at least spell them correctly contextual like context.

In your previous posts you indicate that it is ok for an animal to be alone. Now you say that no animal should be left in the backyard alone. You can't have it both ways. So which is it? As I said in a previous post Mr. Copeland's next step will probaly be to get Dakota a playmate.