Vikings' turn on top

You don't have to feel sorry for us. I'm already pitying those poor souls who are still clinging to the Pack. Honestly, Rodgers didn't even look that spectacular when he came in the Dallas game. He looked like a back up QB who was playing a defense that got lazy because they were winning by so many points.

The Packers have a solid core though, I won't lie about that. I doubt this year is going to be your year though. Brohm might step in near the middle of the season, but he's a rookie QB and we all know how they typically do in the NFL.

Blane wrote:

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what facts all it was is wishful thinking from those sad Vikings fans I can't wait until opening day when Green Bay destroy the Vikings and all your egos vikings fans hide for the rest of the year.

Sure Blane, because everyone knows if you happen to lose the first game, the season's over..........win or lose, I still love the rivalry.

where did all the packer fans go. i guess they have no comebacks left. im sure they are just waiting for the next topic to begin.

Blane wrote:

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what facts all it was is wishful thinking from those sad Vikings fans I can't wait until opening day when Green Bay destroy the Vikings and all your egos vikings fans hide for the rest of the year.

The facts I'm speaking of is with all you Pack fans thinking your team won't lose a step without Favre and that Rodgers will be just as good. Sure it's wishful thinking on Vikes fans part, but at least our team has made upgrades in areas that they were lacking in last year. Which for the Pack they can't say the same thing. And as far as wishful thinking goes, your last comment about the Pack destroying the Vikes on opening day is just that, wishful thinking.

Packer Fan in MN wrote:

Nice try realistic, you still need to get realistic!
Facts are impossible to discuss among the delusional. That's why the Packer fans have left the conversation you delusional Viking fans have embarked upon.
OK...just had to say that for fun.
Actually the truth is that all your "Facts" are really opinions when you extend them to the next NFL season. Everything is on paper, nothing has been played and only very minor practices have occurred. You are just wasting your time blowing yourselves up.
Now, if you are truly grown up and honest with yourself you will admit that this is what you are doing.
And as far as national media being correct on these issues...I seem to recall last year the predictions were that Chicago, Arizona and San Francisco were all poised to take the next step. Well maybe not with Chicago but they were still being predicted to take the division by most media outlets.(Message: putting much weight in what the national media claims isnt very bright)
Now if puffing yourself up makes you feel good...go for it.
I for one will feel sorry for you...but then you are Viking fan so I suppose I aught to feel sorry for you anyway.

The facts I'm speaking of are what both teams have done this offseason to improve their team for next season. Those facts my delusional friend can be discussed. What you don't seem to realize is your team lost a huge piece of their puzzle from the success they had last season. And yes listening to the national anaylysts about their predictions will not get your team to where they are all saying. It's all played on the field, but as of what my team has done this offseason, I like our chances of success better than your teams. And as for blowing them up, that I am not. I've never said they were going to the Superbowl, all I've said is they may go 10-6 this coming season. Which will get them in the playoffs, but will it get them a win or two, probably not. Just because I am not that confident in our passing game just yet. But you are the one who is blowing your team up, because you seem to think they won't lose a step with the loss of Favre. If you are so confident in your team give me a prediction of the division next season, here's mine:
Vikes - 10-6
Pack - 9-7
Lions - 8-8
Bears - 6-10
Yes I know this part is just a prediction, but it's based off of facts of what each team has done this offseason.

josh wrote:

where did all the packer fans go. i guess they have no comebacks left. im sure they are just waiting for the next topic to begin.

that's because it's a dead issue josh... the Vikings have to prove they can overthrow the Pack- before there is any credibility to this story or the garbage their fans keep throwing out there.

Realistic wrote:

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The facts I'm speaking of is with all you Pack fans thinking your team won't lose a step without Favre and that Rodgers will be just as good. Sure it's wishful thinking on Vikes fans part, but at least our team has made upgrades in areas that they were lacking in last year. Which for the Pack they can't say the same thing. And as far as wishful thinking goes, your last comment about the Pack destroying the Vikes on opening day is just that, wishful thinking.

In case you didn't notice... the Packers don't have any glaring holes that need to be seriously upgraded. With the acception of QB, the starting rosters are still in tact. As for Rodgers filling in where Favre left off- it is our best option. The only ways to replace Favre is from within, free agency and the draft. Rodgers, in my opinion, is the best case scenario- being there wasn't much quality in FA, and we picked up an insurance policy for the future through the draft. The rest of the team is AT LEAST as solid as last year. I say at least because the newer players have another year in a relatively young system and by all means should improve on their performance from last year. The Vikings, once again- in my opinion, simply have/had too many holes to fill- including quality depth at many positions. You may have added some players- but until they prove their chemistry... your arguement is a wash.

packrat wrote:

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that's because it's a dead issue josh... the Vikings have to prove they can overthrow the Pack- before there is any credibility to this story or the garbage their fans keep throwing out there.

i do agree with all of the viking fans but then again i am one.

GO VIKINGS!!!

packrat wrote:

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In case you didn't notice... the Packers don't have any glaring holes that need to be seriously upgraded. With the acception of QB, the starting rosters are still in tact. As for Rodgers filling in where Favre left off- it is our best option. The only ways to replace Favre is from within, free agency and the draft. Rodgers, in my opinion, is the best case scenario- being there wasn't much quality in FA, and we picked up an insurance policy for the future through the draft. The rest of the team is AT LEAST as solid as last year. I say at least because the newer players have another year in a relatively young system and by all means should improve on their performance from last year. The Vikings, once again- in my opinion, simply have/had too many holes to fill- including quality depth at many positions. You may have added some players- but until they prove their chemistry... your arguement is a wash.

But once again Packrat, you are forgetting one big thing when it comes to the loss of Favre. And that is once again(I've said this a number of times on here already), the opposing team will now gameplan the Packers differently than they have in the past. So even though you are set in most positions(you also lost a DT from what I understand), they will have to change the way they game plan to compensate for the opposing teams game plan. This is a big aspect that I don't think you Pack fans are taking into account. You should realize that the game plans the Packers faced for the past umteen years were one's that focused on stopping Favre first and then the WR's and RB's later. Now you'll have to face defenses that will try to take away your wr's and rb's first, until Rodgers proves he can make them pay for not paying attention that much to him. So do you get it now? Your team is going into a whole new area that some of these young "studs" like Grant and Rodgers and such have not dealt with yet, because Favre is not there. So therefore your team is really in the same boat as the Vikings, but at least the Vikings will have an idea on how the opposing teams are going to play them. I just don't know how to get that through your thick cheese blocked skull.

Yes, you'll have no problem with us now. Brett Favre must have been even greater than you all told us he was. BTW unspoken courtesy over here--never use boat and Vikings in same sentence, it's bad form.

josh wrote:

where did all the packer fans go. i guess they have no comebacks left. im sure they are just waiting for the next topic to begin.

Josh Us Packers fans are not full of hot air like you Vikings fans.

Jay wrote:

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Sure Blane, because everyone knows if you happen to lose the first game, the season's over..........win or lose, I still love the rivalry.

Jay I wouldn't mind this but since I been here all I here from your Vikings fans is how great and unbeatable your team is and how the Packers will fall big after Favre retire.

Frosty wrote:

You don't have to feel sorry for us. I'm already pitying those poor souls who are still clinging to the Pack. Honestly, Rodgers didn't even look that spectacular when he came in the Dallas game. He looked like a back up QB who was playing a defense that got lazy because they were winning by so many points.
The Packers have a solid core though, I won't lie about that. I doubt this year is going to be your year though. Brohm might step in near the middle of the season, but he's a rookie QB and we all know how they typically do in the NFL.

Frosty that is what you call a royal fan something you Vikings fans don't know about.

packrat wrote:

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that's because it's a dead issue josh... the Vikings have to prove they can overthrow the Pack- before there is any credibility to this story or the garbage their fans keep throwing out there.

packrat you and me agree about those Vikings fans all they do is talk smack even before the season starts.

Blane wrote:

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packrat you and me agree about those Vikings fans all they do is talk smack even before the season starts.

Yep and everthing you and Packrat have said about destroying the Vikes again isn't talking smack? You seem to be just another clueless Packer fan that thinks your team won't drop off with the loss of a sure hall of fame qb. If you think you are so intelligent about football, tell me something that the Packers have done this offseason to make up for the loss of Favre(which will change the way opposing defenses will play you) and make your team even better?

packrat wrote:

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that's because it's a dead issue josh... the Vikings have to prove they can overthrow the Pack- before there is any credibility to this story or the garbage their fans keep throwing out there.

The Vikings don't have to overthrow the pack, the pack just retired. The team that currently resides in gb is a shell of the 2007 team, and has more question marks than any other team in the conference.
IF it wasn't all brett and Rodgers is able, then you will be fine
IF it was all brett, then you will be pleading for forgiveness and wearing a paper bag over your melon by game 5.

Thank you Realistic for being a little more realistic.

I for one would only turn your top two teams around.
Packers 10-6 and
Vikings 9-7.

That's three less wins for the Packers and one more for the Vikings then last year. I know you were close in x-number of games but until they prove they can grab these opportunities I cant count these games as meaning anything for them winning more next year.

On the other hand, there are very big question marks for both teams at Quarterback. Rodgers play ed in only two games of significance in the past two years. He became injured in one and pulled a muscle the next week after the other. It leads you to wonder if he will even make it through the first game without being injured.(I know this one is against the Vikings.)

Packer Fans also have no idea how Rodgers will do in managing games. 3/4 of one game certainly doesn't tell anyone much about a quarterback.

That said, I think the pieces are still in place and depth was added to many areas on the team. Thats why I still think they can win 10 games.

Concerns for the Packers will be Cornerbacks (yeah I know everyone claims that we have two of the better cornerbacks in the league but Harris has never impressed me)... and of course Quarterback.

The Vikings still haven't proved they can stop the pass...maybe they can with Allen...maybe they still can't. Dropping a player into a new system doesn't necessarily improve their play. The other big question mark is Quarterback.

Again maybe the pieces are there and your predictions about the Vikings will be correct. Maybe they wont. I will say the same for me.

Let me also say that most of these blogs are as I stated before: more about fans trying to make themselves feel good then about reality.

Packer Fan in MN wrote:

Thank you Realistic for being a little more realistic.
I for one would only turn your top two teams around.
Packers 10-6 and
Vikings 9-7.
That's three less wins for the Packers and one more for the Vikings then last year. I know you were close in x-number of games but until they prove they can grab these opportunities I cant count these games as meaning anything for them winning more next year.
On the other hand, there are very big question marks for both teams at Quarterback. Rodgers play ed in only two games of significance in the past two years. He became injured in one and pulled a muscle the next week after the other. It leads you to wonder if he will even make it through the first game without being injured.(I know this one is against the Vikings.)
Packer Fans also have no idea how Rodgers will do in managing games. 3/4 of one game certainly doesn't tell anyone much about a quarterback.
That said, I think the pieces are still in place and depth was added to many areas on the team. Thats why I still think they can win 10 games.
Concerns for the Packers will be Cornerbacks (yeah I know everyone claims that we have two of the better cornerbacks in the league but Harris has never impressed me)... and of course Quarterback.
The Vikings still haven't proved they can stop the pass...maybe they can with Allen...maybe they still can't. Dropping a player into a new system doesn't necessarily improve their play. The other big question mark is Quarterback.
Again maybe the pieces are there and your predictions about the Vikings will be correct. Maybe they wont. I will say the same for me.
Let me also say that most of these blogs are as I stated before: more about fans trying to make themselves feel good then about reality.

Good post
We have to celebrate something here in Viking country, and if it's the paper championship during the humdrum days of May, so be it. HOWL!!!!

Packer Fan in MN wrote:

Thank you Realistic for being a little more realistic.
I for one would only turn your top two teams around.
Packers 10-6 and
Vikings 9-7.
That's three less wins for the Packers and one more for the Vikings then last year. I know you were close in x-number of games but until they prove they can grab these opportunities I cant count these games as meaning anything for them winning more next year.
On the other hand, there are very big question marks for both teams at Quarterback. Rodgers play ed in only two games of significance in the past two years. He became injured in one and pulled a muscle the next week after the other. It leads you to wonder if he will even make it through the first game without being injured.(I know this one is against the Vikings.)
Packer Fans also have no idea how Rodgers will do in managing games. 3/4 of one game certainly doesn't tell anyone much about a quarterback.
That said, I think the pieces are still in place and depth was added to many areas on the team. Thats why I still think they can win 10 games.
Concerns for the Packers will be Cornerbacks (yeah I know everyone claims that we have two of the better cornerbacks in the league but Harris has never impressed me)... and of course Quarterback.
The Vikings still haven't proved they can stop the pass...maybe they can with Allen...maybe they still can't. Dropping a player into a new system doesn't necessarily improve their play. The other big question mark is Quarterback.
Again maybe the pieces are there and your predictions about the Vikings will be correct. Maybe they wont. I will say the same for me.
Let me also say that most of these blogs are as I stated before: more about fans trying to make themselves feel good then about reality.

Good points all around, but do you also agree that opposing defenses will be playing the Packers differently this season, than they had in years past? I think that's an area that most Pack fans don't take into account. For instance I do believe Grant to be a good running back, but I would like to see how he fares when defenses are game planning to stop him, rather than paying most of their attention to Favre. So that's a case like with Allen and seeing how he will do in a new system, how will Grant do when teams concentrate on him? I do believe Allen will do great, because he now has 2 all pro tackles to take pressure off him and vice versa. Either way it should be a good season for both teams and I can't wait for it to get started.

Realistic wrote:

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But once again Packrat, you are forgetting one big thing when it comes to the loss of Favre. And that is once again(I've said this a number of times on here already), the opposing team will now gameplan the Packers differently than they have in the past. So even though you are set in most positions(you also lost a DT from what I understand), they will have to change the way they game plan to compensate for the opposing teams game plan. This is a big aspect that I don't think you Pack fans are taking into account. You should realize that the game plans the Packers faced for the past umteen years were one's that focused on stopping Favre first and then the WR's and RB's later. Now you'll have to face defenses that will try to take away your wr's and rb's first, until Rodgers proves he can make them pay for not paying attention that much to him. So do you get it now? Your team is going into a whole new area that some of these young "studs" like Grant and Rodgers and such have not dealt with yet, because Favre is not there. So therefore your team is really in the same boat as the Vikings, but at least the Vikings will have an idea on how the opposing teams are going to play them. I just don't know how to get that through your thick cheese blocked skull.

But Realistic! Cheese is good!!! LOL... I don't see the relivance in game planning against the Packers. For one- there is nobody in the NFL with a secondary capable of stopping the 5 WR set that Coach McCarthy employs. Green Bay has one of the top wr corps in the league... one cannot deny that. Secondly- Green Bay's running game is above average IMO with the zone blocking scheme and Ryan Grant with the rock. Thirdly, Aaron Rodgers is an above average mobile QB- take away his options, and he's on the move with no hesitation. He may not have the game experience, but he's run the #1 offense in OTA's and minicamps for 3 years now- the chemistry is there and he's a definate leader. The glimpse we got last year in preseason and against Dallas was superb. The only "if" IMO, is weather or not he can stay healthy. If he can't, and he goes down early- re-enter Favre. With all of that said about GB's offense- please remember that we also have a top 10 defense that will definately show improvement this year. So now what you say??(and this time- be realistic).