Grainger man faces charges in fatal DUI crash

Perfection: That certain people have told me they are hiring illegal aliens does not make me responsible for having them or the illegal workers deported or hauled into court.
I believe it's pretty common knowledge that local farmers (the bigger the farm the more likely the abuse) use illegal aliens to do their work.
That does not mean that everyone who knows of this situation is a criminal. That anyone mentions this fact in print or personal conversation does not make them a criminal, either.
I was stating the obvious. If the IRS, the ICE, or the local law enforcement officials are not making arrests or charging the ones hiring illegals or the illegals themselves, it is not evidence that the local citizenry are criminal in neglect.
If the local citizenry speak up against illegal activity, it shows that they are aware and bothered by such activity. It does not make them responsible for that activity, or libel for charges of such activity.
I would gladly prosecute any and every farmer (or any trade person) who hires illegals and pays them without witholding. I do not have that authority, and it seems that those charged with such duty are unwilling or unable to do their jobs.
Just because I know right from wrong does not make me the public's concience, but it also does not deny me the right to speak against wrong when I see it.

Paralegal wrote:

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Oh I do agree with the majority of your post. I just found it so sickening that any human life could be treated with such abandon, and disregard. I would have more empathy for an animal than some people here have posted about the deceased. I also realize if you did get judgement, it's usually not worth the paper it's printed on, considering the circumstances. If I were in politics, or had a business, I'd definitely think twice before saying anything in the presence of certain people. I wouldn't want my name coming out of the mouth of some folks. I can and do speak for myself, and wouldn't want anyone speaking for me!

I fail to see your point here. No one talked about the color of this man's skin. I don't care if he is purple as long as he is in my country by leagal means. It was stated some posts back that someone knew he was indeed illigal and the man in the car with him, though injured also ran before the police could get there. No one is saying this is alright. Most people have even used the word "IF" he is illigal. No one has stated that the drunk should not be punished for his crime. In my personal opinion he should be punished far beyond what the law allows. He took human life, intentional or not. Then you turn around and state that you would have more feeling for an animal than the people posting their opinions here. This statement makes you any better than us, how? I do agree that the people that hire illigal workers should be punished. Like most crimes around here, I don't see this happening. You would have more luck reporting pink elephants loose on Main Street. Someone might actually show up to see.

Queen wrote:

Perfection: That certain people have told me they are hiring illegal aliens does not make me responsible for having them or the illegal workers deported or hauled into court.
I believe it's pretty common knowledge that local farmers (the bigger the farm the more likely the abuse) use illegal aliens to do their work.
That does not mean that everyone who knows of this situation is a criminal. That anyone mentions this fact in print or personal conversation does not make them a criminal, either.
I was stating the obvious. If the IRS, the ICE, or the local law enforcement officials are not making arrests or charging the ones hiring illegals or the illegals themselves, it is not evidence that the local citizenry are criminal in neglect.
If the local citizenry speak up against illegal activity, it shows that they are aware and bothered by such activity. It does not make them responsible for that activity, or libel for charges of such activity.
I would gladly prosecute any and every farmer (or any trade person) who hires illegals and pays them without witholding. I do not have that authority, and it seems that those charged with such duty are unwilling or unable to do their jobs.
Just because I know right from wrong does not make me the public's concience, but it also does not deny me the right to speak against wrong when I see it.

This coming from the person that says if you have knowledge of an illegal and you don't report it you are responsible for not doing your civic duty. Hate to bust it to you, but the law also disagrees with your actions here. If you have knowledge of illegal activity (such as a farmer admitting to you that he hires illegals) and you don't report it, it is against the law. ESPECIALLY if someone gets hurt... criminal negligence. If a law enforcement officer were to ask you if you knew anyone specifically that does it and you didn't tell them, any good lawyer would get you for obstruction of justice. So don't back paddle and act like its no biggie... you'll jump one person for not reporting illegal activity but if its you... you blame local citizenry... HA!

The post on the first page, by your friend, basically said, she was more concerned with property damage:

"What is really sad about this is that there is property destruction and a life lost, and there is likely no insurance coverage to compensate for either the property damage or to compensate the family of the dead man."
"Both names in the report sounded hispanic, and it is common for illegal aliens (if they are) to drive without licenses or insurance"

No one talked about the color of his skin???, yet she called him an "illegal", do you believe the Mexicans are white? That is what she referenced?

This is exactly what I meant by having "more empathy for an animal than some people have posted about the deceased". that is my statement verbatim. I stand by it. When humanity has no more compassion for a human life, that she showed in her post, speaks volumes. The entire post was absolutely vitriolic, vile, and just totallly sickening.

Continue with your attempt to make black white, it will not happen. Pathetic, shameful and yet, let's talk about what good Christians we are?!!!!

Your ex-wife hasn't told me a thing. It's my own observation. Don't blame the economy for you not being able to hold any sort of job in the U.S. You have never done a honest days work and that is why no one will hire you and when they do you scam them. You made a poor living out of scamming people. That's such an honest living that a real man would do. It's not just people you scam. You are always two months behind in child support so that when you do return to the U.S. nothing is done to you because of non-payment. That's scamming the system. This man may be collecting unemployment at the moment but it goes to putting a roof over your daughters head, food in her belly, and anything she could possibly want. So please tell me what the problem is with that? As for him being a POS and not being a better father than you..he doesn't try to buy his way into her heart, he spends a lot of time with her teaching her new things, paying attention to her, doing all the things a real father should do. As for him on his way to pick up your daughter from school..where does it say that? Considering he wasn't even on the road to get to her school. I am fully aware that you did buy your ex-wife a new car and insurance but it was with the money you got from totaling out her previous one. I'm also fully aware of the situation with this mans son. After the situation was found out no one in your family ever stepped foot in that house again. You see Mike, I'm fully informed of a lot of things. None of them I was informed about from your ex-wife or her husband. So please keep acting like an innocent victim. I will continue to put the truth out there.

Mike wrote:

Informed…who informed you? My X-wife? You want to put untruths out then I will put the truth. I left to go to Iraq in 2006 to support the Troops because I am a former US Marine. This was only to be a 1yr commitment. Unfortunately due to the state of the economy I had to continue working in a war zone to provide for my family the way they had been accustomed to. My X wife wanted that big house on the mountain, not me. I pay $1000 a month child support for one child. I held back two payments in 15 months since I left because the money I send does not support just my daughter it also supports this Drunk to sit home and collect unemployment because he cannot find a job. I also bought her a 2008 car and paid 6 months of her car ins. At an outlay of around $7500 before I left even after finding out she had been having an affair with this loser since I was in Iraq and Afghanistan. All to make sure my daughter was taken care of. So do the math Informed…that works out to over 20k in 15 months. I take care of my responsibilities, unlike this Drunk who has not given one red cent to his X-wife he left in New Jersey even though it is court ordered and she is an epileptic now on public assistance because she cannot work…an additional burden this loser has put on society. I sent my X wife $6000 a month and she was not paying the bills just using it to drink and take trips to see her lover prior to me getting the Dear John Email after coming inside the wire after 3 months imbedded with Afghanis doing security for convoys from the Pakistan border. Hey Informed, did you know that this POS is the father of the boy who molested my daughter when she was three years old. My X wife knew about it and continued to bring my daughter over to his house so they could drink together and have their little romance. Can you say Karma?<quoted text>

Paralegal wrote:

The post on the first page, by your friend, basically said, she was more concerned with property damage:
"What is really sad about this is that there is property destruction and a life lost, and there is likely no insurance coverage to compensate for either the property damage or to compensate the family of the dead man."
"Both names in the report sounded hispanic, and it is common for illegal aliens (if they are) to drive without licenses or insurance"
No one talked about the color of his skin???, yet she called him an "illegal", do you believe the Mexicans are white? That is what she referenced?
This is exactly what I meant by having "more empathy for an animal than some people have posted about the deceased". that is my statement verbatim. I stand by it. When humanity has no more compassion for a human life, that she showed in her post, speaks volumes. The entire post was absolutely vitriolic, vile, and just totallly sickening.
Continue with your attempt to make black white, it will not happen. Pathetic, shameful and yet, let's talk about what good Christians we are?!!!!

I don't know where you learned to read, or better, to comprehend what you read, but I never once saw that she said she was more concerned with property damage. She also said loss of life and nothing to compensate this man's family. It is evident that you have never been hit by an uninsured driver. No, I do not believe that Mexicans are white. But, there are more than just Mexicans that are here illegally. I am sure there are many different colors of skin that do not have proper papers to be here. However, here in farm country, Mexicans do make up the majority. I am not attempting to turn black to white. I am simply asking you how you can say one thing about someone else and then try to justify your own lack of compassion for others. I am simply confused on what standards you use to judge others but not yourself. By the way, I have NEVER called myself a Christian here or anywhere else. I have simply quoted some words from the Bible, honorable ones that I believe are good standards.

This post is really just for the people posting from NJ since I'm pretty confident I know them personally and for anyone who wants the actual truth. I will not answer anything about this news post.
Paul's ex-wife deserves the situation she is in. She had life handed to her on a silver platter and all she had to do was appreciate it. I personally lived through her abuse-physically and mentally. That's right folks..I'm the oldest child. The daughter with "issues". My "issues" stream directly from her. I only lived with her because I had no where else to go. I moved to my father after I was put in a mental health rehab for attempting suicide because that's how much of a POS that woman made me feel.
He has paid her $24,000 in an eight month period and then half of his unemployment. It's not his fault she blows through money and has an addiction to feed. She is the one with the addiction. From the moment she wakes up til the moment she goes to bed, all day, every day, all she does is smoke pot and has for the past 8+ years. As for not paying child support..in the divorce papers it is her who is to pay child support and she did in one lump sum last year. Also said child is 18 and needs to start making his way in the world.
All of these "friends" she now has who don't want to speak to Paul..Where have they been for the past 10+ years? Certainly not with her. They all jumped on the bandwagon when the divorce came out because they all felt like they needed to get involved someway to feel good about themselves. They don't truly care because these are the same friends that stopped coming around years ago because of her. As for them not wanting to speak to Paul anymore..good, please don't. Who would want two-faced friends like that in their life anyways?
So "Worse" and "Karma" now that you know a bit of the truth, how does it compare to what Sandy has told you? The next time you want to take every word she says as fact at least get both sides to her story and form your own opinion like an adult. Words of advice: The next time you do listen to her rant and rave about something pay close attention because she does repeat her stories multiple times with slightly different versions each time. You may just catch her in the midst of her lies. Also if you feel as if anything I have said is considered slander then I welcome the punishment of slandering someone over the internet with open arms. Feel free to contact me personally if you don't like the truth being put out there.

Oak Tree wrote:

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I don't know where you learned to read, or better, to comprehend what you read, but I never once saw that she said she was more concerned with property damage. She also said loss of life and nothing to compensate this man's family. It is evident that you have never been hit by an uninsured driver. No, I do not believe that Mexicans are white. But, there are more than just Mexicans that are here illegally. I am sure there are many different colors of skin that do not have proper papers to be here. However, here in farm country, Mexicans do make up the majority. I am not attempting to turn black to white. I am simply asking you how you can say one thing about someone else and then try to justify your own lack of compassion for others. I am simply confused on what standards you use to judge others but not yourself. By the way, I have NEVER called myself a Christian here or anywhere else. I have simply quoted some words from the Bible, honorable ones that I believe are good standards.

I can read and comprehend quite well, thank you. I do not have on "blinders", I know what she said and you can't change it. It's on the first page. Yes, I do have more compassion for ANIMALS THAN HUMANS, to be specific, you and her, ignorant people that speak out of both sides of their mouth and end up saying absolutely nothing. Obviously she has more than enough mouth, why you always running defense for her. Anyone that has posted in the Rutledge forum, realizes she writes books, in response to every post that catches her eye, pity for all posters, God bless you all. I don't know or care what your religious convictions are or are not. She is the one I said claimed to be "Christian", along with many other claims. So run on with your diarrhea of the mouth, you learned from the best, but leave me alone. I am not interested in anything you or she has to say. I hate liars, you two are a matched set!

Alyssa wrote:

This post is really just for the people posting from NJ since I'm pretty confident I know them personally and for anyone who wants the actual truth. I will not answer anything about this news post.
Paul's ex-wife deserves the situation she is in. She had life handed to her on a silver platter and all she had to do was appreciate it. I personally lived through her abuse-physically and mentally. That's right folks..I'm the oldest child. The daughter with "issues". My "issues" stream directly from her. I only lived with her because I had no where else to go. I moved to my father after I was put in a mental health rehab for attempting suicide because that's how much of a POS that woman made me feel.
He has paid her $24,000 in an eight month period and then half of his unemployment. It's not his fault she blows through money and has an addiction to feed. She is the one with the addiction. From the moment she wakes up til the moment she goes to bed, all day, every day, all she does is smoke pot and has for the past 8+ years. As for not paying child support..in the divorce papers it is her who is to pay child support and she did in one lump sum last year. Also said child is 18 and needs to start making his way in the world.
All of these "friends" she now has who don't want to speak to Paul..Where have they been for the past 10+ years? Certainly not with her. They all jumped on the bandwagon when the divorce came out because they all felt like they needed to get involved someway to feel good about themselves. They don't truly care because these are the same friends that stopped coming around years ago because of her. As for them not wanting to speak to Paul anymore..good, please don't. Who would want two-faced friends like that in their life anyways?
So "Worse" and "Karma" now that you know a bit of the truth, how does it compare to what Sandy has told you? The next time you want to take every word she says as fact at least get both sides to her story and form your own opinion like an adult. Words of advice: The next time you do listen to her rant and rave about something pay close attention because she does repeat her stories multiple times with slightly different versions each time. You may just catch her in the midst of her lies. Also if you feel as if anything I have said is considered slander then I welcome the punishment of slandering someone over the internet with open arms. Feel free to contact me personally if you don't like the truth being put out there.

As for anyone that repeats her stories slightly different each time I think you should look in the mirror!! Ask any of your relatives and they will say the same thing you do nothing but lie! They caught you in so many lies it is ridiculous! And you forgot to tell everyone how you failed school because you were to busy partying your life away. Have you ever got your GED I extremely doubt it. And have you ever paid your grandfather the money he gave you to keep you out of jail, I doubt that too! Also the friends your mother has have always been there for her, even when your father was telling them lies so he could have his affair. And yes he paid her at the begining but then stopped totally last October even though he still had money, he just likes to use it to play with his new wife. Your father deserves to be in jail for life for what he did. I feel very sorry for the family of the man he killed.

I heard there have been some changes in this case , not sure how true but accused is said not to have been drinking police never did any testing,

i think we should all just smoke a blunt and chill yo stop airing family drama and secrets if you're not in the family or a close loving friend. it is none of your business go deal with your own peoblems

Paralegal: I hope you soon learn to read what is written rather than your fantasy version.
I said that there was damage to property and to the family of the man killed. How is that more caring to property than to the man's family?
These people who are now left behind likely cared much for this man. He had been a part of their lives.
That I also considered the cost of the vehicle and whatever they hit with it does not mean that I do not care for the people involved.
But if you have cattle or other penned animals and your fence is torn down, someone has to make immediate repeirs, or there will be more suffering.
If someone run onto your front porch and killed themselves, you might feel terrible that someone died on your porch, but you'd still have to repair your porch and roof, or you'd soon have rain damage or someone might be able to enter your house without knocking at the front door.
I voiced concern about property damage because I own property and I know that repeirs and maintenance are part of responsibile ownership.
Surely one wouldn't expect this man's family to trek out at night to make repairs, but if there's damage, it soon has to be addressed. Usually, the property owner is the one most concerned with repairs, so they're the one who might address the damage.
I would think that a paralegal might have discovered this somewhere along the way.

Where do you think I learned it from? That's right, my mother. I have owned up to a lot of things to relatives that I talk to regularly. As for my other relatives..I personally do not care what they have to say or think because they all knew what was going on in our house and they all turned their backs while we were abused. Nothing in my post is a lie. Going to school with hand prints across my tear stained face, being cornered with a knife to my neck multiple times, locking myself in my room because I was afraid to come out, not having a normal childhood because I always had to stay home to do things for her when she was quite capable of doing them herself, being called every name in the book, being screamed at that she wished she would've aborted me, and the list could go on with witnesses to it all. I even called my mother multiple times after I moved before not calling anymore to see in she would take any initiative to contact me and keep some form of relationship with me and she never did. She just bad mouthed me to everyone.
I didn't forget to inform everyone about my schooling because I really don't see what that has to do with this but since you're so concerned about it..I did fail school but it wasn't because of partying. If you look at my school records my grades have been horrible for years. I'm not saying buy any means that partying didn't affect them but that was not the reason considering I went out on the weekends mostly until I left school. As for me partying my life away..I still went to school everyday and work everyday. I do have my GED and have had it for quite some time now. I also have two jobs, I pay my phone bill, my car payment, my car insurance, I'm going to school soon, and I have pretty decent social life. Wow, I never knew my life would turn out so tragic if I didn't finish high school on time.(That was sarcasm in case you didn't catch that.) The money I owe my grandfather is between him and I. I do appreciate him fronting me the money so I could work on getting my life on track again. I actually speak to my grandparents everyday and they are quite proud of me so far and know it's going to take me a while to pay back all that money.
If these so called "friends" have always been there, then where have they been for the past 6+ years? Before my step-mom moved to TN she was the only person my mom hung out with for 6 years. Before that my mom sat at home. If everyone is such great friends with her then why is she living in a foreclosed upon house? Why aren't her friends helping her? Why won't her parents help her? They all know how she really is and don't want to deal with it. Just like when they first stopped coming around 8+ years ago.
You do not know anything about my father's financial state. Bottom line..if he had money to send her, he would send it.
As I stated before since you seem to know so much about our family and that everything you say is the honest truth then personally contact me and I will gladly fill you in on all the things you take as fact.

Worse wrote:

<quoted text>As for anyone that repeats her stories slightly different each time I think you should look in the mirror!! Ask any of your relatives and they will say the same thing you do nothing but lie! They caught you in so many lies it is ridiculous! And you forgot to tell everyone how you failed school because you were to busy partying your life away. Have you ever got your GED I extremely doubt it. And have you ever paid your grandfather the money he gave you to keep you out of jail, I doubt that too! Also the friends your mother has have always been there for her, even when your father was telling them lies so he could have his affair. And yes he paid her at the begining but then stopped totally last October even though he still had money, he just likes to use it to play with his new wife. Your father deserves to be in jail for life for what he did. I feel very sorry for the family of the man he killed.

Damn little girl is snapping on you all lol get em lil bit lmao

Alyssa: It sound like you've had a really hard life so far.
I hope you will not believe that everyone is evil because of a few people who have abused you.
The world is a big, beautiful place with lots of good people in it, and I hope you will find them, make them a part of your life, and have your confidence in other people restored.

Queen wrote:

Alyssa: It sound like you've had a really hard life so far.
I hope you will not believe that everyone is evil because of a few people who have abused you.
The world is a big, beautiful place with lots of good people in it, and I hope you will find them, make them a part of your life, and have your confidence in other people restored.

can't believe I agree with her

Keep living don't let people ruin your life you only get one enjoy that shit girl working and living straight seems boring but once you settle in with it there's nothing better

Queen wrote:

Paralegal: I hope you soon learn to read what is written rather than your fantasy version.
I said that there was damage to property and to the family of the man killed. How is that more caring to property than to the man's family?
These people who are now left behind likely cared much for this man. He had been a part of their lives.
That I also considered the cost of the vehicle and whatever they hit with it does not mean that I do not care for the people involved.
But if you have cattle or other penned animals and your fence is torn down, someone has to make immediate repeirs, or there will be more suffering.
If someone run onto your front porch and killed themselves, you might feel terrible that someone died on your porch, but you'd still have to repair your porch and roof, or you'd soon have rain damage or someone might be able to enter your house without knocking at the front door.
I voiced concern about property damage because I own property and I know that repeirs and maintenance are part of responsibile ownership.
Surely one wouldn't expect this man's family to trek out at night to make repairs, but if there's damage, it soon has to be addressed. Usually, the property owner is the one most concerned with repairs, so they're the one who might address the damage.
I would think that a paralegal might have discovered this somewhere along the way.

"What is really sad about this is that there is property destruction and a life lost, and there is likely no insurance coverage to compensate for either the property damage or to compensate the family of the dead man.
Both names in the report sounded hispanic, and it is common for illegal aliens (if they are) to drive without licenses or insurance. I don't know if this is the case here, but I've been involved in an accident where the other driver was hispanic, and they just drove away.
The officer who came to the wreck said that they were probably without license and insurance, and likely had substances in their truck or in themselves, so they didn't want to be there when the police showed up."

Your words, you can't deny, you are a liar, as you always have been. One word, INSURANCE. You are such an authority on every subject, if you were half as smart as you think you are, LIABILITY INSURANCE ON YOUR FARM, LIVESTOCK,FARM EQUIPMENT, FENCES, BARNS, SHEDS, ETC. There is nothing uninsurable! I know, I do have land, lots of it, and it is insured to the hilt. Just stop pretending you didn't say what you did, back peddling doesn't work well, when you can page back a page or two and voila! Now wiggle out of this one, the more you say, the more ignorant you appear to be and you are quite hard to top in that department!

I know someone who was on the seen, so much more is to come out , i do know the accused did not get any other testing other then blood and that was only partial. Was also told no smell of alcohol was decteded. So happy I stayed neutral on this because I feel for both families, the accused has a family too as well and all these visious words can be seen by them too. I think everyone should get all facts before hanging accused. Now dont take me wrong a life was lost and that is very sad . This has turned into a family fued from what I am reading and its getting away from the issue. Again I think everybody has opinions and most are already concluded that DUI guilty . Please for both families keep your mean and hateful words to yourselves until all facts are out. God Bless

Worse I do believe you are a fool , and a liar, read your post to the daughter.... you have been around the past 6+ yrs???????? Remember you are what you hang with. If you were smart you would stay out of which you no nothing about, except a version that is so disturbingly distorted.