Penn State should get death penalty

defamethis wrote:

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The vacated wins are not only a penalty for Paterno but for the teams that were as good as they were because of a criminal cover up. Ill gotten gains etc. True the games were played on the field but with players on those teams benefited from a cover up including scholarships or motivation to play for a famous school/program.

Father of Two wrote:

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Read the Frueh report. It is easily available via internet. In brief, Joe Pa knew as early as 1998 that Sandusky had engaged in sexual contact with underrated boys in PSU football facilities. In 2001, the PSU president and VP planned to contact child protective services until Joe Pa indicated that he did not want that to happen. This is what we know, with written records to back it up. More may or may not have happened (probably did), but we clearly know that Paterno had knowledge of a child rapist using the football program and facilities as bait to lure underaged boys and Paterno actively conspired to keep this information private. He also lied about these facts to a Grand Jury. Again, read the Frueh report. It is devastating and clear. Paterno acted in an illegal and immoral fashion. His legacy is tarnished forever and should be over this 14 year rampage of repeated incidents of child rape. No football program is worth the safety and welfare of children and families. For goodness sake people, sober up!!! What type of society do we want to live in. I prefer a society that places the welfare of children above a silly game.

tyler wrote:

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it's a school? so there children in my eyes but it dosent really matter what age they are its not fair to punish them sure why dont we just start to put the rapist and the victim in prison and fine the companies they work for governments would just love that since it seems to be all about the money

Sad Deal wrote:

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True, the point of a University is to educate and not entertain. But also when a person gets established in one spot and had their hearts set on something, it's difficult to be dislodged from your intended plans to take up roots somewhere else. Let's face it, these young men (kids)... who are in the "football" program as you have reminded me, some have the talent to go on and play in the next level and make a descent living playing a game. Now as it stands, their chances will be increased by playing elsewhere at another university, when they possibly had their hearts set to play for Penn State. For some of them that is their home state. All for something that was not their fault. Sure, some of the upper class-men will stick with it, mostly out of loyalty. But if you can't see how these young mens lives aren't affected in someway,(and their families).. then you are apparently blind, or just possibly have a unnatural hatred for the college. And the institution itself is not to blame for these tragic events that have occurred, it was the people in power at the time that chose to cover them up. The institution is mainly made up of students and faculty members teaching the students. Just because you have a few bad apples at the top of the barrel, does not mean all the apples are bad.

tyler wrote:

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it's a school? so there children in my eyes but it dosent really matter what age they are its not fair to punish them sure why dont we just start to put the rapist and the victim in prison and fine the companies they work for governments would just love that since it seems to be all about the money

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Father of Two wrote:

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Read the Frueh report. It is easily available via internet. In brief, Joe Pa knew as early as 1998 that Sandusky had engaged in sexual contact with underrated boys in PSU football facilities. In 2001, the PSU president and VP planned to contact child protective services until Joe Pa indicated that he did not want that to happen. This is what we know, with written records to back it up. More may or may not have happened (probably did), but we clearly know that Paterno had knowledge of a child rapist using the football program and facilities as bait to lure underaged boys and Paterno actively conspired to keep this information private. He also lied about these facts to a Grand Jury. Again, read the Frueh report. It is devastating and clear. Paterno acted in an illegal and immoral fashion. His legacy is tarnished forever and should be over this 14 year rampage of repeated incidents of child rape. No football program is worth the safety and welfare of children and families. For goodness sake people, sober up!!! What type of society do we want to live in. I prefer a society that places the welfare of children above a silly game.

Freebird USA wrote:

<quoted text> Thats a slippery slope that never should be walked on. Is everyone in here ready to be judged and punished by their past and present associations?

Jessie wrote:

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Actually, a jury was unable to conclude that Sandusky engaged in any kind of crime in 2001. Are they conspiring as well? If there was a lack of evidence for the jury to reach a guilty verdict, why are you blaming Paterno for reaching the same conclusion as the jury? If no crime (in the legal sense of the word) occurred, what would have the authorities been able to do?

voteearlyvoteoften wrote:

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Was that one of the three counts (out of 49) that the jury didn't convict on?
Context, please!

Jessie wrote:

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Actually, a jury was unable to conclude that Sandusky engaged in any kind of crime in 2001. Are they conspiring as well? If there was a lack of evidence for the jury to reach a guilty verdict, why are you blaming Paterno for reaching the same conclusion as the jury? If no crime (in the legal sense of the word) occurred, what would have the authorities been able to do?

Jessie wrote:

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It was all 3 of the 3 counts the jury found insufficient evidence to convict Sandusky. The jurors unanimously agreed that there was not enough evidence and they had already concluded that Sandusky was a pedophile. Why should someone make a different conclusion when they didn't have any evidence that Sandusky was a pedophile?

Jessie wrote:

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It was all 3 of the 3 counts the jury found insufficient evidence to convict Sandusky. The jurors unanimously agreed that there was not enough evidence and they had already concluded that Sandusky was a pedophile. Why should someone make a different conclusion when they didn't have any evidence that Sandusky was a pedophile?

Joke wrote:

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So, the proper authorities were informed in 2001? Or was it covered up? Let me answer, it was covered up from the proper authorities (police). It's not the job of Penn State officials to decide whether or not there is enough evidence to convict someone, it was their job to inform the police. THAT didn't happen.

Joke wrote:

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"Any" evidence or "enough" evidence, it wasn't Penn State's job to decide.

Joke wrote:

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And THAT is what happens when a crime is covered up for 10 years, it's harder to investigate, and THAT is why Penn State is partially to blame for the rapes of children that occurred since.

Jessie wrote:

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If you have evidence that McQueary saw penetration in 2001 but forgot about it in the 10 years that have passed, then you have a valid point. Since there is zero evidence of that occurring I have to dismiss it entirely. The jury had more evidence than Paterno and the rest of Penn State and still couldn't find sufficient evidence to convict even knowing that Sandusky is a pedophile.
You still haven't answered my original question. What crimes did Paterno have knowledge of? You also haven't demonstrated how turning this over to police would have changed things. It really wouldn't have changed anything as there was insufficient evidence to conclude anything.

Nitwit Lion Fans wrote:

Hopefully someone will investigate this Jesse pedophile apologist.