Abbas: no to settlement of refugees in Lebanon

Obviously, Abbas desires to keep the Palestinian refugees in poor and miserable condition in mud slams in refugee camps in Lebanon.
It is for the sake of Radical Islam agenda to keep the Palestinian as the poorest people on earth and blame the Jews for their conditions.
However, history proved that the five radical Islamic military forces including Egypt, Syria, Iraq, Lebanon and Jordan that were trying to kill the Jews in 1948 called the Palestinian to fled their homes and come back after the Jews are all dead.
Evidently, the radical islamic leaders were wrong then in 1948 and until 2008 and Abbas is wrong today too.
However, even if Abbas is also seek the death of the Jews as called for by the Islamic Prophet Mohammad, the Jews are stronger than any other country in the Middle East and will protect the lives of the Jews.
The Palestinian refugees will continue to be used for the next hundreds of years as the poorest people of the world only to incite hatred of radical Islamic terrorist suicide bombers to the Jews.

Why is it that when speaking of any other "group", "race", or "ethnic" community that has been forced to become refugees, the world community and most people with decent morals demand that they be allowed to return to their homeland. But when it's the Palestinians...well somehow those "morals" seem to just vanish in a haze of excuses?

The_Captain wrote:

Why is it that when speaking of any other "group", "race", or "ethnic" community that has been forced to become refugees, the world community and most people with decent morals demand that they be allowed to return to their homeland. But when it's the Palestinians...well somehow those "morals" seem to just vanish in a haze of excuses?

The homeland of the Palestinian refugees is Syria and Jordan as they immigrated to Israel in 1850.
The oil rich radical Islamic regime can easily build a palace for every Palestinian refugee in their homeland in Syria and Jordan where they belong.
The Palestinian refugees like the 850,000 Jewish refugees that were expelled from radical Islamic countries need to live in homes like any human being. The Jews build their homes in their biblical homeland since 3300 years ago Israel. However, the lives of the Palestinian refugees are used during more than 60 years as a gizmo by radical islamic regimes that insist on keeping them miserable according to the Quran.
Clearly, Palestinian refugees should not to be used by the Evil Iranian and Syrian radical Islamic regimes as excuse to destroy the tiny Jewish state.

Jones wrote:

The homeland of the Palestinian refugees is Syria and Jordan as they immigrated to Israel in 1850.

What's the basis of this claim? Jews were a clear minority in British Mandate Palestine through 1947. The territory was under Ottoman rule in 1950 and the Jewish population was a small minority. Most Jews in Israel immigrated or are descended from people who immigrated to Israel in the 20th century.

Jones wrote:

The oil rich radical Islamic regime can easily build a palace for every Palestinian refugee in their homeland in Syria and Jordan where they belong.

Are you talking about Saudi Arabia? Is this some kind of conspiracy theory?

Jones wrote:

The Palestinian refugees like the 850,000 Jewish refugees that were expelled from radical Islamic countries need to live in homes like any human being. The Jews build their homes in their biblical homeland since 3300 years ago Israel. However, the lives of the Palestinian refugees are used during more than 60 years as a gizmo by radical islamic regimes that insist on keeping them miserable according to the Quran. Clearly, Palestinian refugees should not to be used by the Evil Iranian and Syrian radical Islamic regimes as excuse to destroy the tiny Jewish state.

Doesn't the two state solution call for the resettlement of virtually all Palestinian refugees in a Palestinian state with Green Line borders and East Jerusalem as its capital? How would that destroy the Jewish state?

Mahmoud Abbas should trust what his eyes reveal in Lebanon, that so-called Palestinians are comfortably adjusted (for several generations) in their permanent camp homes in Lebanon.

Marc wrote:

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What's the basis of this claim? Jews were a clear minority in British Mandate Palestine through 1947. The territory was under Ottoman rule in 1950 and the Jewish population was a small minority. Most Jews in Israel immigrated or are descended from people who immigrated to Israel in the 20th century.
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Are you talking about Saudi Arabia? Is this some kind of conspiracy theory?
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Doesn't the two state solution call for the resettlement of virtually all Palestinian refugees in a Palestinian state with Green Line borders and East Jerusalem as its capital? How would that destroy the Jewish state?

The two state idea of PM Olmert means one radical Islamic state between the Jordan River and the sea with the Jews converted to Islam or killed in the name of Islamic Allah who hates infidels.
It is the deceiving plan of the most corrupt self-hating and pro-Islam PM Olmert who failed to convert the Jewish state to Shariya ruled state only to fulfill the dreams of the Palestinians and his best 'buddy' Abbas.

Jones wrote:

<quoted text>The homeland of the Palestinian refugees is Syria and Jordan as they immigrated to Israel in 1850.
The oil rich radical Islamic regime can easily build a palace for every Palestinian refugee in their homeland in Syria and Jordan where they belong.
The Palestinian refugees like the 850,000 Jewish refugees that were expelled from radical Islamic countries need to live in homes like any human being. The Jews build their homes in their biblical homeland since 3300 years ago Israel. However, the lives of the Palestinian refugees are used during more than 60 years as a gizmo by radical islamic regimes that insist on keeping them miserable according to the Quran.
Clearly, Palestinian refugees should not to be used by the Evil Iranian and Syrian radical Islamic regimes as excuse to destroy the tiny Jewish state.

Well, when you think the Palestinians immigrated to Israel is not important, since when is it moral to grant rights based on what a persons ancestors may or may not have done and when? As far as the “biblical” homeland, sorry but the bible is not a real estate guide. But when you say “their homeland in Syria and Jordan where they belong” I have to ask…who the hell are you to say where someone belongs? A person is entitled to live in their homeland, which IS the land they are BORN and RAISED in, regardless of the social, or religious beliefs of you or others.

If a peaceful pali state is created, any who wish could apply for a visa, or a residence permit, even apply for citizenship, be they Arab, Christian or Jew

Jones wrote:

<quoted text>The homeland of the Palestinian refugees is Syria and Jordan as they immigrated to Israel in 1850.

There was no Israel prior to 1948, but thanks for playing.

The big people are trying to discuss things here, be considerate....

Mr Truthiness wrote:

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There was no Israel prior to 1948, but thanks for playing.
The big people are trying to discuss things here, be considerate....

Neither was there a Pali state. The so-called palis, and refugees, were citizens of those Arab states. Let those Arab states, which issued the palis passports or ID cards, receive their citizens, and their desendents

Palis to Israel. Here, take this gun and shoot yourself in the head. Israel. No thanks. Palis. Then you will never have peace

Mr Truthiness wrote:

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There was no Israel prior to 1948, but thanks for playing.
The big people are trying to discuss things here, be considerate....

Radical Muslims as well as liberal communist and socialists are known in their trick of re-writing history and erasing 4000 years of history of the Jews in Israel since the Kingdom of David as a way to defy the rights of the Jews to their homeland.
However, the rights of the Jews to their homeland of 4000 years is undeniable and radical Muslims will continue to make suicides for the next thousand of years in their efforts to take the jewish homeland Israel from the Jews as Mohammad ordered from his Saudi Arabian desert cave 1370 years ago.

The_Captain wrote:

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Well, when you think the Palestinians immigrated to Israel is not important, since when is it moral to grant rights based on what a persons ancestors may or may not have done and when? As far as the “biblical” homeland, sorry but the bible is not a real estate guide. But when you say “their homeland in Syria and Jordan where they belong” I have to ask…who the hell are you to say where someone belongs? A person is entitled to live in their homeland, which IS the land they are BORN and RAISED in, regardless of the social, or religious beliefs of you or others.

You are wrong. 1.5 million Palestinians live in Israel alongside the Jews.
However, the Jewish state was never belong to the Syrian immigrants which are the grandparents of Hamas and Fattah Islamic terrorists that came to work in Israel in 1850 and will never will.
Radical Islam under the evil regimes of Iran and Syria calls for the new holocaust of the Jews in Israel as called by the Quran and Mohammad of the 7th century.
However, this is part of radical Islam quest to kill the infidels all over the world and take over the world according to the Quran, which is a nonsense that will never happen as the evil radical Islamic regimes will be defeated soon.

Bob Burns wrote:

<quoted text>Neither was there a Pali state.

But their has been a Palestine for thousands of years, and a large Arab population living there.

Jews were newcomers to the are in the 1940's.

Jones wrote:

<quoted text>Radical Muslims as well as liberal communist and socialists are known in their trick of re-writing history and erasing 4000 years of history of the Jews in Israel

Radical zionazis and ignorant history revisionists are well known in their trick of re-writing history and erasing 4000 years of Arab presence in Palestine.

Jones wrote:

<quoted text>The two state idea of PM Olmert means one radical Islamic state between the Jordan River and the sea with the Jews converted to Islam or killed in the name of Islamic Allah who hates infidels.
It is the deceiving plan of the most corrupt self-hating and pro-Islam PM Olmert who failed to convert the Jewish state to Shariya ruled state only to fulfill the dreams of the Palestinians and his best 'buddy' Abbas.

What two state solution do you envisage?

Jones wrote:

<quoted text>You are wrong. 1.5 million Palestinians live in Israel alongside the Jews.
However, the Jewish state was never belong to the Syrian immigrants which are the grandparents of Hamas and Fattah Islamic terrorists that came to work in Israel in 1850 and will never will.
Radical Islam under the evil regimes of Iran and Syria calls for the new holocaust of the Jews in Israel as called by the Quran and Mohammad of the 7th century.
However, this is part of radical Islam quest to kill the infidels all over the world and take over the world according to the Quran, which is a nonsense that will never happen as the evil radical Islamic regimes will be defeated soon.

I never said Palestinians didn’t live in Israel, we where talking about the refugees.

What do you even mean by “the Jewish state was never belong to the Syrian immigrants”? The refugees LIVED in Israel BEFORE the war, that’s why they should be allowed to return. These aren’t “new” immigrants as you are trying to portray them.

And your “grandparents” comment once again is showing your idea of group punishment, for perceived crimes of their ancestors, which is completely immoral! That’s what Klingons do (and the radicle islamist). And in this case is even more insane, since you seem to be holding the Palestinians accountable today, for the children their grandparents had, which would be today’s Palestinians, do you know what circular logic is?

As for your rant against radical Islam, once again, that is completely irrelevant to this conversation, and the status of the refugees! A persons rights do not depend on what you think about a religious movement that they may or may not be involved in.

Marc wrote:

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What two state solution do you envisage?

Israel as the Jewish State with 6 million Jews and with 1.5 million Palestinians within Israel will live in peace with Jordan, which is the Palestinian state with majority of Palestinians.
Gaza will become part of Egypt as it was before 1967.
The West Bank the two million Palestinians that will live under their own government with Jordanian citizenship within the borders of the Jewish state.
The Jordan River will be the border between Jordan and Israel that already signed a peace agreement with Israel in 1994.

Jones wrote:

Israel as the Jewish State with 6 million Jews and with 1.5 million Palestinians within Israel will live in peace with Jordan, which is the Palestinian state with majority of Palestinians.
Gaza will become part of Egypt as it was before 1967.
The West Bank the two million Palestinians that will live under their own government with Jordanian citizenship within the borders of the Jewish state.
The Jordan River will be the border between Jordan and Israel that already signed a peace agreement with Israel in 1994.

How can Israel compel Jordan or Egypt to take over the West Bank and Gaza? How can Israel compel the Palestinians to give up their national aspirations? There is no international support for your proposals. Do you think Israel can abridge Palestinian rights in the face of international condemnation and maintain the support of the US and Europe?

The Palestinian Hamas and Fattah Islamic terrorist need only one Palestinian country, which is Jordan.
Obviously, since they crossed to Israel from Syria in 1850 they never in world’s history had any government of army like every normal people has, as they never consisted ‘a people’.
The Radical Islamic regime of Iran and Syria and their Islamic terrorist organizations seek the destruction of the 4000 years old Jewish state as called by Mohammad of the 7th Century.
You clearly support the destruction of Israel as tiny Jewish state so that the entire Middle East and most of Africa will belong to radical Islam.
However, the Jews will fight back and defeat the effort of Fattah and Hamas to convert Israel to radical Islamic state under the Shariya laws.
Clearly, it is an illusion for Islamic terrorist suicide bombers to destroy the Jewish state only because their grandparents were Syrian immigrants that crossed the Jordan River to work in Israel in 1850 but it will never happen.