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“CriesBritches-Ey es Sewn Shut ”
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Thoroughbredhdlr- not sure if you were asking me? Personally, I'm just learning about all the abuses that go on in the horse racing industry. It's been a crash course for me since the death of Eight Belles. I've been doing my small part for a few years now concentrating on companion animal issues. Overpopulation, homelessness, shelters, lately dogfighting, spaying & neutering. I take them in spay & neuter, keep them or find them homes among other trusted animal advocates. Spread the word with literature & online, try to anyway! If you were asking me thoroughbredhdlr- I don't personally know about grants. But I'm learning alot about the racing industry & would be glad to help if I can. There was a wonderful lady on here Gloria who had many years of experience within the industry & privately. Just read her posts & the details she knew could only be from years of living it. If she comes back I could pose that question to her also. But I'll search on Peta, HSUS & other sites that I'm a member of and try to find out some info about grants & will get back to you. I'm a woman, so it could be you were asking another poster, but in any case I'd be glad to try to help you.
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It's sad that you have clueless and mindless people such as PETA, ALF and ELF people. The fact is that PETA is a financier of terrorist org. Look who PETA pays and supports. PETA supports terrorism. PETA advocates terrorism by paying other groups like the ALF and ELF to do it's dirty work. That's why PETA is a state sponsor of terrorism. Just like the Arab countries that pay terrorist orgs to do their dirty work. PETA is doing the same thing that ARAB countries are doing. Even more is the fact that PETA paid for the defense of people in the ALF and ELF who are convicted felons and convicted of domestic terrorism. Look at the money trail and you can see that all that money that was paid to ALF and ELF leads to PETA. PETA paid for ALF and ELF's domestic terrorist activities. That's why PETA should be listed as a domestic terrorist org on the grounds that PETA is a sponsor and a financier of domestic terrorist. PETA pays for terrorist and PETA proudly supports eco terrorism.
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“CriesBritches-Ey es Sewn Shut ”
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Thoroughbredhdlr- Do you want to retrain horses to actually race again? I don't know about that, if I agree with it. Personally I think the whole darn thing should stop, be banned, but being realistic, it might never happen. What do you all do after a horse can no longer race because of age or health issues? That's what disturbs me, all this information I'm getting on former race horses euthanized or slaughtered.
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“CriesBritches-Ey es Sewn Shut ”
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Wasn't accusing you Thoroughbredhdlr - you sound ethical, just interested in what those that do care about horses after their racing career is over do with them. I'd like to believe they can live the remaining years relaxing in a pasture, field doing whatever they want & that someone attends to them & treats them well.
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“CriesBritches-Ey es Sewn Shut ”
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Thoroughbredhdlr-I might have misunderstood you, retrain, did you mean for something other than racing & not a second career in lower ranked racing? Like I said still learning about the horse industry.
What type of second career could they have? Like children's parties, trail riding? Frankly I think that after racing they need a long break, or at least not overworked again.
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Why don't your animal activist get on the band wagon for child abuse Then you would be doing something constructive. You seem to put an animal before a human sad sad sad.
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“CriesBritches-Ey es Sewn Shut ”
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Thought you were going to quit addressing us. You just beg to be insulted then you cry like a little baby and say you're going to tell on us. I dare you to threaten me again- when you want to get into it or else you would quit confronting when no one is god damn even talking to your lying stupid ass. I decide what causes are important to me not you, you still don't get the concept of free speech do you. I'd slit my throat before I'd become a 'horse trainer' nothing but a blood sucking leech living off the pain & misery of forcing animals to do what they usually do not want to. And some of you do much worse then that, like slaughter & euthanize when they wear out their welcome, meaning don't make any more $$$ for you by getting old, sick, or injured. I do plenty to help children, I just saved 4 small children from getting kicked out their home. They are relatives & the parents were about to forclose on their home because of prices going sky high on food & gas. I gave them enough money to keep the home & get back on their feet until the refund from Bush's tax thing comes through & they will catch up. Not a loan, but my gift because I will fight for my family and will not see 4 small children & the hardworking parents lose their home without trying my best to stop it. Mind you I'm not rich either, and anyway I don't owe you a damn explanation for anything I choose to be important to me. But animals are very high on my list. they are voiceless victims just like children ages 8 through 3 who can't defend themselves either. Animals are more helpless because they can't speak so fu** off & stick to your word about never speaking to me again, OK!! You don't have the balls to be passionate & to stand up for anyone but your selfish greed. Riverman Mare wrote: Why don't your animal activist get on the band wagon for child abuse Then you would be doing something constructive.
You seem to put an animal before a human
sad sad sad.
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sick of it all
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Riverman Mare wrote: Why don't your animal activist get on the band wagon for child abuse Then you would be doing something constructive.
You seem to put an animal before a human
sad sad sad. Well then we wouldn't be animal activists,silly! We would all have to change our little logos, screen names, etc. Unless you have done something yourself to prevent child abuse, shut your pie hole!
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Personally, I'm just learning about all the abuses that go on in the horse racing industry. It's been a crash course for me since the death of Eight Belles. YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE ON ABUSE IN RACE HORSE INDUSTRY IS MAINLY BECAUSE THERE IS VERY LITTLE ABUSE IN THE INDUSTRY. clowns like you are not smart enough to realize that you value and take care of your investment in a horse would you be stupid enough to buy a car than go out and run it with the tach in the red line or walk around it kicking it or put water in the tank-give me a break FOOL
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“Those immortal Yankees? Dead.”
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Lacilu98 wrote: But this isn’t about one death. This is about the nature of a sport that routinely grinds up young horses.
Eight Belles' jockey whipped her mercilessly as she came down the final stretch.
This is bullfighting. Nonsense.
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this was so good i must say it again PETA KILLED MORE ANIMALS IN THE LAST 5 YEARS than all of the racehorses that had to be put down in the last 50 years-they are the mass destroyers of animals -visit here and see how kind and gentle they are. http://www.petakillsanimals.com/index.cfm Beware of these murderers they are only after money to perpetuate their little greedy goals
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Is that you? You are nasty ugly & repulsive. Joseph Tyson wrote: <quoted text>Nonsense.
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Bad John maybe if millions of assholes like you would spay & neuter pets, wouldn't abandon them, wouldn't be involved in illegal dogfighting, would go to shelters to adopt insteat of pet stores who buy from cruel puppy mills-there would be no need for shelters to have to euthanize millions of dogs and cats every year. Your attitude is i8n the stone ages. You look like a pig.
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Archie Bunker's long lost equally narrow minded thick headed brother. Progress is the enemy! BAD JOHN wrote: Personally, I'm just learning about all the abuses that go on in the horse racing industry. It's been a crash course for me since the death of Eight Belles.
YOUR LACK OF KNOWLEDGE ON ABUSE IN RACE HORSE INDUSTRY IS MAINLY BECAUSE THERE IS VERY LITTLE ABUSE IN THE INDUSTRY.
clowns like you are not smart enough to realize that you value and take care of your investment in a horse
would you be stupid enough to buy a car than go out and run it with the tach in the red line or walk around it kicking it or put water in the tank-give me a break FOOL
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“On the Backside”
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Gretchen23 wrote: Thoroughbredhdlr-I might have misunderstood you, retrain, did you mean for something other than racing & not a second career in lower ranked racing? Like I said still learning about the horse industry.
What type of second career could they have? Like children's parties, trail riding? Frankly I think that after racing they need a long break, or at least not overworked again. I must explain shortly that I have a love/hate relationship with/about horse racing. I, like you, know there will always be horse racing. I work for a mid-westwern breeding farm handling thoroughbred foals. In the two years I have them I do my VERY best to give them strong foundations, tools they can draw upon when they enter into the unpredictable world of race horse training. I hold my breath, cross everything I have, try to settle my stomache, and watch from behind my hands when they go to the post....and pray.(One of 'my' babies, Toco Tuesday, crashed into the track in mid race of a massive heart attack in his three year old year.) Many horse just plain are not fast enough to cut it. These young horses can be, like you mentioned, turned out to unwind,(6 months minimum) and than be brought back into training as a saddle horse. Trail horses, hunter/jumpers, pleasure horses, trail horses, police horses, kids party horses etc.(programs are in place for police horses using thoroughbreds, they loom tall over crowds and are an impossing sight. Prision systems are helping ex-race horses and convicts in programs that allow the inmates to retrain them into general use mounts.) I have two retired race/brood mare at MY farm now. One is Vickys Slew, a Seatle Slew grandaughter, she is 23. The other is 19. They both ran the gauntlet and made it through many races and many foals. They are both VERY nice riding horses and sound. I am intent on finding a way, as I am not rich, to open up and be able to take in many more horses like them. Re training thoroughbred horses into second careers, NOT racing, is my life's calling. I HAVE to find a way to get this under way, soon! A re-training and retirement non-profit org. People tell me there is all kinds of grant money and non-profit support, government funds, but I havn't YET been able to get on the right track or make the right connections. ANY help in this area would be GREATLY appriciated. As to the current racing industry: A few MAJOR changes could be made.(I won't go into that here.) Trouble is, each state regulates it's OWN racing within that state. We need to develope and install a national board that regulates all racing and has athority in ALL states. First and formost. Race horses are mostly owned and race by the people with money. Why couldn't a pension plan follow each horse throughout their career at the track that would leave them (the horse) with a bank roll in the end to look after them in their retirement. The connections of the horse, owners, trainers, jockeys, could be required to put in a certain percent, as well as a part of the horses earning. Than they could come to my new place and we would all be even. LOL Many more rehab farms would begin cropping up around the country if this were the case. Please respond. I wish we could corrspond outside this forum... if you know how let me know.
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thoroughbredhdlr, WOW!! Outstanding!!! Best post yet!! You are on to something here! A pension plan that bank rolls the horses into their retirement!! What a great idea. It sure sounds like a very good start to me!! Could you share your thoughts on the breeding practices in the TB race world?
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Le le wrote: thoroughbredhdlr,
WOW!! Outstanding!!! Best post yet!!
You are on to something here!
A pension plan that bank rolls the horses into their retirement!! What a great idea. It sure sounds like a very good start to me!!
Could you share your thoughts on the breeding practices in the TB race world? stu stu......people are starving all over the world and you want to set up a pension plan for horses.......... and your a kind hearted person ....right ?? right ??? now I have heard everything..... and as a Peta pension plan expert,you will kill off the horses that have not paid up their dues.......right stu stu ???
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Ralexa
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it looks like one big drunken organized crime party with the poor horses caught in the middle.
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thoroughbredhdlr wrote: <quoted text>
I must explain shortly that I have a love/hate relationship with/about horse racing.
I, like you, know there will always be horse racing.
I work for a mid-westwern breeding farm handling thoroughbred foals. In the two years I have them I do my VERY best to give them strong foundations, tools they can draw upon when they enter into the unpredictable world of race horse training. I hold my breath, cross everything I have, try to settle my stomache, and watch from behind my hands when they go to the post....and pray.(One of 'my' babies, Toco Tuesday, crashed into the track in mid race of a massive heart attack in his three year old year.)
Many horse just plain are not fast enough to cut it. These young horses can be, like you mentioned, turned out to unwind,(6 months minimum) and than be brought back into training as a saddle horse. Trail horses, hunter/jumpers, pleasure horses, trail horses, police horses, kids party horses etc.(programs are in place for police horses using thoroughbreds, they loom tall over crowds and are an impossing sight. Prision systems are helping ex-race horses and convicts in programs that allow the inmates to retrain them into general use mounts.)
I have two retired race/brood mare at MY farm now. One is Vickys Slew, a Seatle Slew grandaughter, she is 23. The other is 19. They both ran the gauntlet and made it through many races and many foals. They are both VERY nice riding horses and sound. I am intent on finding a way, as I am not rich, to open up and be able to take in many more horses like them. Re training thoroughbred horses into second careers, NOT racing, is my life's calling. I HAVE to find a way to get this under way, soon! A re-training and retirement non-profit org. People tell me there is all kinds of grant money and non-profit support, government funds, but I havn't YET been able to get on the right track or make the right connections. ANY help in this area would be GREATLY appriciated.
As to the current racing industry: A few MAJOR
changes could be made.(I won't go into that here.) Trouble is, each state regulates it's OWN racing within that state. We need to develope and install a national board that regulates all racing and has athority in ALL states. First and formost.
Race horses are mostly owned and race by the people with money. Why couldn't a pension plan follow each horse throughout their career at the track that would leave them (the horse) with a bank roll in the end to look after them in their retirement. The connections of the horse, owners, trainers, jockeys, could be required to put in a certain percent, as well as a part of the horses earning. Than they could come to my new place and we would all be even. LOL Many more rehab farms would begin cropping up around the country if this were the case. Please respond. I wish we could corrspond outside this forum... if you know how let me know. I have an 18 year old X Race horse which is now being used for children riding lessons, she raced till she was 9, retired reasonable sound I have another who is 8 and I am looking to breed her next year. She is the granddaughter of River Man who won close to 4 Million in France England on the turf There are many animals activist on these threads and there is no use in trying to make any sence with them. You may want to www.ntra.com they have an open forum for constructive coments to make racing safer for all. Another link is www.canterusa.org they are an orgination which go to the track to find homes for horses who are unable to compete or just can't make it in racing. They are not a contervical or activist group. Plain volunteers with out any funding Just people who love horses and want to find home for them
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