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TMD wrote:

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It sounds like all of you guys have forgotten all about the Colts' Dallas Clark who has been consistently rated one of the top 2-3 TEs in the league for the last 3 years running. It's obvious he would have much bigger receiving numbers if he didn't play on a team that featured Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne as evidenced by his 58 receptions last year.
He has enough speed to play the slot and create match-up horrors for LBs or corners, and is an excellent blocker.

TMD wrote:

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It sounds like all of you guys have forgotten all about the Colts' Dallas Clark who has been consistently rated one of the top 2-3 TEs in the league for the last 3 years running. It's obvious he would have much bigger receiving numbers if he didn't play on a team that featured Marvin Harrison and Reggie Wayne as evidenced by his 58 receptions last year.
He has enough speed to play the slot and create match-up horrors for LBs or corners, and is an excellent blocker.

PDT1420 wrote:

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I don't really understand your post. I'm not going to argue with you. I'd take Winslow over Miller. Most, if not all, GM's would probably do the same. It's more of a passing league now, having a TE who plays like a receiver is important to most teams. It's not like our running game suffered by not having a blocking TE, we still had a 1300 yrd rusher.
I'm not hyping my team, and if you think I only like Winslow over Miller because I'm a homer, then you're a bigger homer, taking Miller over Winslow. One of them was a pro-bowler last year.

SteelMcbeil wrote:

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So you would rather have a great catching TE who couldnt block, than vice versa? The greats tell you, that a running game, and a good defense wins football games!!! 95% of the time if your back runs for 150, the game is yours!!

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PDT1420 wrote:

Furthermore, if K2 puts up last seasons numbers for multiple years, he puts himself in the running for the Hall.
If Miller puts up his 500 yards receiving every year, and continues his ALL-WORLD (sarcasm) blocking, he has very slim odds to make the HOF.

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Rex J Steelman wrote:

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Why the sarcasm? Can you point out instances in which he's missed blocks?
Re your other point: you're right. And that's a problem with the HOF criteria: gaudy offensive stats will always trump "in-the-trenches" work. We Steelers fans, on the other hand, tend to notice stuff like that.
I also agree that an entire career of 2007-type stats would add up to pretty impressive numbers. The question for me is whether the guy can stay healthy that long, whether he is team-oriented enough to keep working that hard, and if so, whether he'll be willing to keep doing it for the Browns. Him squawking about his contract right now is an ominous sign. He's had one great season and one decent season, after the Browns paid him millions for riding the bench for two years (one of them with a stupid, non-football injury). And he's complaining?

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PDT1420 wrote:

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Please don't try to say that you as a fan, or even a Steelers fan, recognize better players, or different types of players, better than the HOF selection committee, made up of former players and people whose job it is to follow players from all teams their entire careers.
As far as "squawking" about a contract... he mentioned at the pro-bowl he'd like a new contract, one that paid him more but also allowed him to remain in Cleveland longer. That's it, have you heard anything else?

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Rex J Steelman wrote:

I just Googled "Winslow, new contract," PDT, and it's all over the internet. He isn't attending voluntary workouts, and hasn't told the team why not or where he is. It's widely seen as a ploy for that new contract.
I didn't realize he'd signed with Drew Rosenhaus--another great sign for your future HOFer. Can you say "T.O.?"

Josh wrote:

It's ok, PDT, these guys are obviously right. Jamal Lewis ran for 1300 yards despite his Pro Bowl TE missing every block. Perfectly sound logic from "we Steeler fans who notice stuff like that".
Winslow announced he will be attending mini-camp and has made ZERO demands to the Browns' front office, but dont let the facts get in the way of a flawed argument. A Steeler fan specialty...

Steagle wrote:

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Jamal Lewis' 2007 Stats:
Opponent Def. Rush Rank Yards
Week 1: PIT 3 35
Week 2: CIN 21 216
Week 3: OAK 31 56
Week 4: BAL 2 64
Week 5: NE (Cheaters) 10 11
Week 6: MIA 32 DNP
Week 7: BYE
Week 8: STL 20 61
Week 9: SEA 12 37
Week 10: PIT 3 35
Week 11: BAL 2 92
Week 12: HOU 19 134
Week 13: ARI 9 62
Week 14: NYJ 29 118
Week 15: BUF 25 163
Week 16: CIN 21 92
Week 17: SF 22 128
TOTAL: 1304
Average Def. Rush Rank: 18
Yards/Game: 81.5
Analysis:
Jamal Lewis is a serviceable running back who ran predominately against a week rushing defense all year. Combine weak opposing defense with the Browns' spread attack in 2007, and that is the reason for Lewis' success. I'm not taking anything away from Lewis. 1300 rushing yards is a great accomplishment. However, Lewis' success in no way validates any blocking ability of Winslow. Winslow's draft overview:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/200...
And I quote: "To this point lacks functional football strength and gets average results blocking."
A fair analysis. The point of all of this? Winslow is primarily a pass catching TE, and is not a very good blocker. I've never seen a TE make the Probowl based on his blocking stats.(There are no blocking stats recorded by the NFL.)
Additionally, would it be too much of a stretch to believe that the majority of true PIT fans appreciate blocking TE's more than other fans of other teams? Mark Bruener was drafted as a blocking TE. Jeremy Tuman, terrible pass catching TE, great blocker. Spaeth drafted to block. Miller is the best of both worlds (as a first round TE should be.) A large bruiser carrying the ball behind a double TE set will win games, ala the entire career of HOF RB Jerome Bettis.

Bob Roberts wrote:

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Great post Steagle. I think it will fall on deaf ears so to speak. Browns fans are excited about finishing last season over the .500 mark and see the productive offensive guys as HOF material. lol.
I have a friend who is brownie fan. I mentioned to him that it looks like the browns are finally rebuilding and he replied "Rebuilding? No the browns have rebuilt and will win the division this year...." Can't fault him for rooting for his team but they haven't proven anything yet.

Bill in Cranberry wrote:

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No doubt! Lets not fail to mention that secondary. Ben and others should have fun with that.
STEELERS ROCK !!!

Bob Roberts wrote:

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didn't they pick up some DBs this offseason? anyway I can't see the brownie defense stopping Ben and all his weapons. Holmes will be coming into his own this year, ward is still the go to guy, miller should be used more and of course parker, moore and mendenhall are good dump off targets. Combine that with the best defense in the nfl and I say we have a shot.

Bill in Cranberry wrote:

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They traded and they drafed... The one they were counting on(whats his name?) got hurt during OTAs and is now out for the season. They just signed Cousins as a FA and were talking about Ty Law, but could'nt afford him. Now at best they are going to have a rookie/old relic vet secondary. Sounds like a plan to me LOL!
STEELERS ROCK !!!

Josh wrote:

"Steagle"... cmon son, the Winslow draft was how many years ago? What are you gonna do next, drop a 1991 SI article to back up an argument on Hines Ward's ability? And a Stooler fan sneezing at 1300 yards rushing is comical for many reasons, but the main one being I cant remember the last time a Pittsburgh back did it.
K2 MORE THAN holds his own blocking, and gets to the 2nd and 3rd level very well. Better hope he doesnt wax that girl you guys have playing safety. What's her name, the one that looks like a cave woman?
See you in September ladies. Keep flappin those gums.