Minor Football League chief: We'd welcome Vick

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DOWHATITDO2U2 wrote:

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In the past I've enjoyed our online conversations/ exchanges of opinions. What you say here is NOT what you said in your original post. I think you have read enough of my posts to know that I don't condone killing dogs so that was a low blow for no reason.
Now to answer your questions - most times which I don't have a problem responding to - YES, I think we can separate his past bad acts WHICH HE HAS PAID FOR WITH TIME SERVED from his football activity.
I'm glad you wrote this because it helps me to get a better picture of where you are coming from...and by the way...Michael Jackson was never a pedophile as you posted.

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GUESS WHO wrote:

<quoted text>If what you are saying is true there would be no need for discussion, I do understand that Martha Stewart crime was not the same as Vick however the fact is they both committed crimes, served time for the crime they committed Martha Stewart was allowed to return to her career, do you feel that was wrong for her to be able to return to a position of notoriety even though she is a convicted felon.

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GUESS WHO wrote:

<quoted text>If what you are saying is true there would be no need for discussion, I do understand that Martha Stewart crime was not the same as Vick however the fact is they both committed crimes, served time for the crime they committed Martha Stewart was allowed to return to her career, do you feel that was wrong for her to be able to return to a position of notoriety even though she is a convicted felon.

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<quoted text>I do agree with your comment however Vick did pay for the care of the dogs, how many times should he have to do that.

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DOWHATITDO2U2 wrote:

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"Returning to a position of notoriety as a convicted felon"? There are many who do, so your point is well taken. I'm sure the argument will become that the crimes are not comparable (funny thing is, Barb Hathaway just said this earlier when comparing Vick to Dahmer).
"As she faced possible jail time, Martha Stewart invoked the name of Nelson Mandela, South Africa's persecuted anti-apartheid hero, saying "many, many good people have gone to prison." "
Go figure.

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<quoted text>Yes I do.

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Barbara Hathaway wrote:

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He paid because the court ordered him to pay as part of his plea bargain. Personally, I don't think Vick should have to pay any more than other convicted dogfighters/animal abusers should. I feel that ALL people caught fighting and/or abusing animals should be treated equally regardless of who they are or how much money they have.
But, most people are losing sight of the fact that Vick didn't serve one day in jail for the dogfighting or animal abuse. He only served his time for the racketeering charge. He was prosecuted for the dogfighting and animal abuse by the Suffolk D.A. who chose to drop all charges but one and gave Vick probation.
Vick could have gotten a lot more time in jail for what he did but there is no denying the fact that he got preferential treatment in one way, yet had to fork over more money as restitution than other dogfighters have had to do. I suppose if you look at it on a percentage basis what Vick had to pay may have been fair if it was based on his salary.

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Barbara Hathaway wrote:

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Martha Stewart is a self-made millionairess. Her return to her career was technically her choice because she is her own creation. The TV show could have been cancelled but it wasn't. But then, she didn't torture and kill dogs either. It's largely up to the fans whether or not a celebrity can successfully return to the same position as they did before their crimes. Jerry Lee Lewis nearly lost his career for marrying his 13-year-old cousin but he eventually overcame the bad publicity and kept going. Roman Polanski had to leave the USA to escape the publicity surrounding his dalliances with a teenager. Some celebrities can overcome bad publicity, others cannot. Only time will tell whether or not Michael Vick will successfully regain his popular celebrity status.

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DOWHATITDO2U2 wrote:

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It's not that serious Barb. It wasn't a slight, nor an intentional misrepresentation. See what I said above. This is the Mike Vick forum, you mention him and football. If that's NOT a comparison or your intent then that's fine with me and just excuse the error.

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GUESS WHO wrote:

<quoted text>All of things you mentioned I already know just like everyone else, you are not telling me anything that I didn't already know, I'm not sure whether or not you know the sentence Vick recieved is in VA is usually what a first time offender would recieve for this offense (whether we like it or not), as it relates to the DA dropping charges that is not unusual either, most times when there is more than one count a defendent will take a plea to one or maybe two (depending on charges and how many charges there are) and the others are dropped, there was nothing special about that it is very common.

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Michael Vick only has remorse because he got caught. Had he not gotten caught, he would still be abusing and torturing innocent animals for profit. Why should he be reinstated? He's only shown that making that kind of money brings out the evil in him.. He made his bed...What NFl team wants to deal with the wrath of having him on their team? You can bet there will be protesters galore if he is reinstated. Let's send a message to today's youth. You cannot make decisons like the ones Michael Vick made and still live a life of fortune and fame. If he is reinstated, it will only serve to prove to young kids that the penalty for cruelty is only minimal.

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And BTW, do you consider yourself reasonable after all the ridiculous comments you have made, the last of which you were comparing Martha Stewart's felonious act to that of MV's heinous and barbaric torture he inflicted on helpless animals?

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Michael Vick only has remorse because he got caught. Had he not gotten caught, he would still be abusing and torturing innocent animals for profit. Why should he be reinstated? He's only shown that making that kind of money brings out the evil in him.. He made his bed...What NFl team wants to deal with the wrath of having him on their team? You can bet there will be protesters galore if he is reinstated. Let's send a message to today's youth. You cannot make decisons like the ones Michael Vick made and still live a life of fortune and fame. If he is reinstated, it will only serve to prove to young kids that the penalty for cruelty is only minimal.

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Barbara Hathaway wrote:

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Yeah, but something just stinks with this one. Maybe it's because I take issue with the "first time offense" part. How can something that is done for more than 7 years be considered a "first time offense"? That's like saying a serial killer that kills a bunch of people but doesn't get caught for years is a "first time offender". Doesn't make sense to me. I know that's how it works but it just doesn't make sense.

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Barbara Hathaway wrote:

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Seems to me that we all would have been better off going to happy hour tonight. I know I would have.

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Betty wrote:

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There you have it, Babs. She CAN feel pleasure watching Vick play knowing what he did. It's all semantics.

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Barbara Hathaway wrote:

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Seems to me that we all would have been better off going to happy hour tonight. I know I would have.