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Chad Pennington headed to Dolphins?

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#210
Aug 15, 2008
 
Robert wrote:
Quit it bud, you know what I mean! Chad is a floating, weak-armed QB who should never have a starting spot. His yards are from after catch running by the receivers. Going from Testaverde to Pennington made me cry because the game itself became boring! Even when we won I was dissatisfied.
I agree w/ you that Pennington has a pretty weak arm, and actually wasn't too thrilled when Miami signed him. But your statement disparaging RAC yardage is a bit sharp. Granted, if I have a choice, I'd rather have a guy who came throw 40-60 yds downfield on a line than one who can't. On the other hand, even a guy like Montana wasn't known for a particularly strong arm. Much of his yardage in Bill Walsh's famous "West Coast Offense" came from RAC yds w/ Roger Craig, John Taylor, and Jerry Rice--Craig on screens in the flat out of the backfield, the latter two, often, on 15-20 yd crossing patterns which were then turned upfield. And please, to forestall any objections, I KNOW Pennington is no where close to Montana as a QB. I'm not putting them on the same level, rather making a LIMITED COMPARISON in terms of arm strength. That's all.
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#211
Aug 15, 2008
 
Greg wrote:
I have no problem with the way Favre handled the situation. All he wanted to do was play football. It's obvious by his refusal to accept the $25 Million bribe from the Packers to stay retired. I think the Packers handled it badly.
Come on... how many times have other players retired ad then come back?
Personally I thought that Favre retired to quickly and should have given it more thought.
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Did you feel that way before Favre signed w/ the Jets? In other words, would you have felt that way if, say, he had signed w/ the Bucs or Vikings or someone else?
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#212
Aug 15, 2008
 
Yep Absolutely. i felt that way all along and was very surprised that he ended up with the jets.
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Did you feel that way before Favre signed w/ the Jets? In other words, would you have felt that way if, say, he had signed w/ the Bucs or Vikings or someone else?
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Aug 15, 2008
 
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I agree w/ you that Pennington has a pretty weak arm, and actually wasn't too thrilled when Miami signed him. But your statement disparaging RAC yardage is a bit sharp. Granted, if I have a choice, I'd rather have a guy who came throw 40-60 yds downfield on a line than one who can't. On the other hand, even a guy like Montana wasn't known for a particularly strong arm. Much of his yardage in Bill Walsh's famous "West Coast Offense" came from RAC yds w/ Roger Craig, John Taylor, and Jerry Rice--Craig on screens in the flat out of the backfield, the latter two, often, on 15-20 yd crossing patterns which were then turned upfield. And please, to forestall any objections, I KNOW Pennington is no where close to Montana as a QB. I'm not putting them on the same level, rather making a LIMITED COMPARISON in terms of arm strength. That's all.
Good post and insight in my opinion. Later guys!

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Aug 16, 2008
 
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LOL I "reject" your opinion. The jury os out on Clemens. Right now I would say he's git the same chance as Henne of being the Franchise QB.
I expect Favre to retire at the end of this season. But in the meanwhile this season looks like alot of fun (for the Jets) Later
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LOL!! Clemens has the same chance as Henne, remember, Clemens has played for three years, Henne is just a rookie. Yea, I think Favre retires as well, then he will comeback and turn the Jets into a media circus too....LOL! Hey, isn't Favre on the cover of the Madden 09' this year?? You should just hope he is not a victim of "The Madden Curse". Also, I read that Gholston isn't picking the defense up very well, they even said that he wouldn't be ready to make a "significant contribution" in the season opener against Miami.
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Aug 16, 2008
 
That's like saying Beck has an advantage because he's played for a year. How about McCown? Why are one of those guys on the way out?

I don't believe in curses. I don't know where you heard that about Gholston. I'm hearing that he's looking good.
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<quoted text>LOL!! Clemens has the same chance as Henne, remember, Clemens has played for three years, Henne is just a rookie. Yea, I think Favre retires as well, then he will comeback and turn the Jets into a media circus too....LOL! Hey, isn't Favre on the cover of the Madden 09' this year?? You should just hope he is not a victim of "The Madden Curse". Also, I read that Gholston isn't picking the defense up very well, they even said that he wouldn't be ready to make a "significant contribution" in the season opener against Miami.
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Aug 16, 2008
 
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That's like saying Beck has an advantage because he's played for a year. How about McCown? Why are one of those guys on the way out?
I don't believe in curses. I don't know where you heard that about Gholston. I'm hearing that he's looking good.
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LOL!! Beck didn't play, he fumbled...LOL!! I didn't mean anyone had an advantage because they had experience. I meant Henne has not played except for pre season so we do not know what he may be capable of, we have seen Clemens play (or try to play...LOL!!).

I don't believe in curses either, but, since there is that rumor I think it gets in guys heads. Marshall Faulk, Donovan McNabb, Shaun Alexander, Mike Vick, Eddie George and even ol' Daunte Culpepper had a Pro Bowl year prior to being on the cover. Then they were on the cover and the following year they all had an injury or a very unPro Bowl year. It is just a coincidence, but it is something to get in their heads.

As far as Gholston goes, I just went to espn.com clicked on the NFL tab, teams tab, then clicked on the Jets, there is a link on the page. It said something like this (I copied and pasted it):

"But through three weeks of training camp, Gholston, selected sixth overall, is still swimming up stream as he tries to learn a new system -- or "drowning" as Gholston says -- and it appears he may not be ready to make a significant contribution by the Sept. 7 opener in Miami.

Gholston has rarely "popped" during camp this summer. As an outside linebacker in the Jets' 3-4 scheme, he seems lost in pass coverage and hasn't been effective when he rushes, often getting blocked by left tackle D'Brickashaw Ferguson".

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#217
Aug 16, 2008
 
Fins look good in dominating a good J-ville team 19=14 in a game that was not that close.
We will surprise some people this year. No worse than 7=9
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Aug 19, 2008
 
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Yep Absolutely. i felt that way all along and was very surprised that he ended up with the jets.
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Fair enough, I was just checking. I just know it's pretty easy for fans to suddenly change opinions when a player signs w/ their favorite team.

As for Favre, I have stated unreservedly that I felt he screwed the Packers with his on-again-off-again-on-again behavior. And I believe Thompson did what was in the long-term best interests of the team, as unpopular as it was in Green Bay. Any player has the right to play and to change his mind, but there are working deadlines w/ the draft and so forth and indecisiveness can heavily impact a team's draft strategy. So, I don't think Favre ought to have complained that the organization was intent on going in a different direction. I have never been a fan of players trying to hold teams hostage, in effect, and I never will be, b/c I believe the organization is always larger than the player. What bothers me the most about it is the willingness of the national media (at ESPN, etc.) to turn the entire offseason largely into a 'Favre watch' at the expense of other developments on other teams AND to give him a pass on what came off as very selfish behavior by putting the team and Aaron Rodgers in a very awkward situation. And I repsected Charles Barkley for having the balls to say what most other people couldn't bring themselves to. But I've been a Sixers fans my whole life so Barkley saying the Politically Incoorect truth wasn't surprising at all. I would have blasted Favre's handling of it even if he had gone to Miami. As it is, you benefitted from his classless antics and stupidity in announcing his 'retirement' in the heat of emotional overload.
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Aug 19, 2008
 
Mike Jones wrote:
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Good post and insight in my opinion. Later guys!
Thanks. I think some people don't understand it. Maybe they are deceived by appearances or something. After all, a 40-yd bomb LOOKS so much more impressive than a 5-yd screen pass w/ 35 RAC even though the net result is the same b/c, in the case of the bomb, all the yardage comes in one big chunk. But I've never quite understood the gripe about RAC. So what if the pass is short, as long as you get the yardage, who really cares how it comes? I sure don't. And I don't think the 49ers did either when they were raising that Lombardi trophy 3 X's w/ Montana.

As I've said before, Gary Hogoboom could throw the ball 70-80 yds in the air ... real strong arm, but do you remember him? I didn't think so!

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Aug 20, 2008
 
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Fair enough, I was just checking. I just know it's pretty easy for fans to suddenly change opinions when a player signs w/ their favorite team.
As for Favre, I have stated unreservedly that I felt he screwed the Packers with his on-again-off-again-on-again behavior. And I believe Thompson did what was in the long-term best interests of the team, as unpopular as it was in Green Bay. Any player has the right to play and to change his mind, but there are working deadlines w/ the draft and so forth and indecisiveness can heavily impact a team's draft strategy. So, I don't think Favre ought to have complained that the organization was intent on going in a different direction. I have never been a fan of players trying to hold teams hostage, in effect, and I never will be, b/c I believe the organization is always larger than the player. What bothers me the most about it is the willingness of the national media (at ESPN, etc.) to turn the entire offseason largely into a 'Favre watch' at the expense of other developments on other teams AND to give him a pass on what came off as very selfish behavior by putting the team and Aaron Rodgers in a very awkward situation. And I repsected Charles Barkley for having the balls to say what most other people couldn't bring themselves to. But I've been a Sixers fans my whole life so Barkley saying the Politically Incoorect truth wasn't surprising at all. I would have blasted Favre's handling of it even if he had gone to Miami. As it is, you benefitted from his classless antics and stupidity in announcing his 'retirement' in the heat of emotional overload.
I felt the same way. Green Bay drafted Rodgers 3 years ago and they need to find out if he is a franchise QB. If they let Favre keep coming back after retiring every year, they will never know how good or bad Rodgers can be. Besides, they are paying him a good amount of money to hold a clipboard.
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Aug 20, 2008
 
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<quoted text>I felt the same way. Green Bay drafted Rodgers 3 years ago and they need to find out if he is a franchise QB. If they let Favre keep coming back after retiring every year, they will never know how good or bad Rodgers can be. Besides, they are paying him a good amount of money to hold a clipboard.
Exactly, Dubl B. It's kind of like calling in to work sick 5 min. before you're supposed to be there. Perople say "The player has the right to dp what he wants" but the fact is, the organization has to move on whether the player is there or not--the games still need to be played. So, the player has no right to blame the organization for imposing a deadline and expecting a firm decision one way or the other. Of course, the organization has to find out if the projected replacement can play. They don't want to be caught off guard. That's only reasonable for anyone in their shoes. None of the media or former players supporting "the player's right" would be taking that position if they were in the GM's role. It's ridiculous--and the fact that the player happens to be a star doesn't change the necessity one bit.

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Aug 21, 2008
 
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Exactly, Dubl B. It's kind of like calling in to work sick 5 min. before you're supposed to be there. Perople say "The player has the right to dp what he wants" but the fact is, the organization has to move on whether the player is there or not--the games still need to be played. So, the player has no right to blame the organization for imposing a deadline and expecting a firm decision one way or the other. Of course, the organization has to find out if the projected replacement can play. They don't want to be caught off guard. That's only reasonable for anyone in their shoes. None of the media or former players supporting "the player's right" would be taking that position if they were in the GM's role. It's ridiculous--and the fact that the player happens to be a star doesn't change the necessity one bit.
I think if he is going to retire, then he should just retire. I respect the Packers for the way they handled it. They stuck to their guns and maintained that Rodgers was the starter. As far as the players rights, I am on the fence about that. I mean anytime a player is not living up to his potential a team has the right to trade him or cut him, on the flipside, if a player is outpreforming their salary and they want an extension for more money, I.E. Anquan Boldin, the team can hold their feet to the fire. I run my own business where I use legally binding contracts. In my opinion if there is a binding contract, neither the team or the player should have the right to waiver from it. The player should play without renegotiating, and the team should honoe the contract without cutting or trading the player. I think the solution to that problem is to not sign thes 6 & 7 year deals. Thats just my opinion though.
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