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Ronald
AOL
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The only winners are the owners of the horse tracks. They waved enough dollars to the right folks and "presto". Real casinos would have a bigger impact, they would create MORE jobs. And tourism would increase. Gov. Strickland dropped the ball.
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Seth Kraner
Columbus, OH
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This compromise is ugly, but is a much needed tourniquette for a bleeding wound. I'm not a fan of slots at racetracks, but I prefer that option to higher taxes or even deeper cuts. I'm glad to see the state standing up to the nursing home industry for the first time; nursing home care is the most expensive and in many cases least desirable choice, and we turn to that option too quickly in this state. When possible, home, community and assisted-living care options are better (and NOT just because they are less expensive!) I'm am sorry to see some of the cuts (especially education, libraries, etc.), but do we really have an alternative right now? However, when the economy improves, the state should use the gambling revenues to increase funding for eductation - the sooner, the better. And we as voters need to watch and make sure that they do so!
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Steve
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Ronald wrote: The only winners are the owners of the horse tracks. They waved enough dollars to the right folks and "presto". Real casinos would have a bigger impact, they would create MORE jobs. And tourism would increase. Gov. Strickland dropped the ball. This is a real win for the Ohio horse industry and the people of Ohio. This will keep the State from raising taxes. I'm a life long Republican but I will say it, good call Ted! You have by support in 2010!
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Lancaster Jeff
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Ronald wrote: The only winners are the owners of the horse tracks. They waved enough dollars to the right folks and "presto". Real casinos would have a bigger impact, they would create MORE jobs. And tourism would increase. Gov. Strickland dropped the ball. Sounds like sour grapes to me. The race track owners don't even know what they will get out of this yet. I am sure they will get something but so will a lot of other people including you. The casino issue will come to reality soon enough. This is reality. It is working elsewhere in varying degrees but none of it is proven negative for the majority. The race track owners have had their hands up for years that's not news. Strickland had the guts to go forward with his best option in spite of the obstacles. It will be OK. The state will not collapse in ruins because of slots or VLT's in race tracks or casino's. This may not be the gold mine that some are hoping for but at least it is a move in a positive direction. Sitting on your hands won't get anything accomplished. If slots / games at race tracks or casino's are not the answer I doubt they will do much damage.
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oh boy
Bryan, OH
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Proposition 13 wrote: <quoted text> WHAT CAN'T YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE FACT THAT OHIO IS ALREADY ONE OF THE HIGHEST TAXED STATES IN THE NATION? HOW CAN YOU RAISE TAXES ANY HIGHER WHEN THEY ARE ALREADY AMONG THE HIGHEST? GET A CLUE, PEOPLE! http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/336... State and Local Tax Burdens: All States, One Year, 1977-2008 (Ohio) 1977 - 8.7% 1980 - 8.2% 1985 - 9.3% 1990 - 9.6% 1995 - 10.2% 2000 - 9.9% 2005 - 10.3% 2008 - 10.4% http://www.newgeography.com/content/00754-loc... Local and State Tax Burden Maps The highest tax burdens, as may be expected, are megalapolitan New Jersey, New York (11.7), Connecticut (11.1) and Maryland (10.8),(and Ohio 10.4). READ MY LIPS: NO NEW TAXES! Intersting arguments, but you obviously have not looked into how they do there calculations. If you read their information on how they arrive at these calculations they use things such as taxes paid in one state as part of travel and count that back to persons home state? They also do this for payroll paid in one state but count in your home state? These are to say the least intersting assignments of taxes paid. Anyone paying taxes for buisness travel, vacation would have those taxes calulated back to Ohio taxes. Not saying taxes should be raised just the site you are refering to is a political site and not a data site.
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Mark
Columbus, OH
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Mr. Strickland is only looking out for fellow Ohio;ans on the slots stuff. He has a budget to balance and has to fight the house members (and their own agenda to do it) This enitre issue was about nothing more than money. and what it can generate. I am not pro Strickland. Persoanlly I think he came thru on this one. Now in the grand scheme of things, he sealed his fate in other issues. I look forward to November of next year. Its nice to see something happen good for the state and its population. I have contributed my own "share'" to this "balanced budget." I am glad to see business and greed kicking in.
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BYE BYE TEDDY
Salt Lake City, UT
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ANY hopes of re-election Strickland had have just been thrown on the trash heap. The governor will be sued, the courts will rule this is an illegal act and, in the meantime, Ohio's economy will continue to suffer. We need real solutions, not some idiotic gambling scheme. How about cutting spending (welfare programs first) and then cutting taxes so that businesses will actually be attracted to our state?!
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Lancaster Jeff
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BYE BYE TEDDY wrote: ANY hopes of re-election Strickland had have just been thrown on the trash heap. The governor will be sued, the courts will rule this is an illegal act and, in the meantime, Ohio's economy will continue to suffer.
We need real solutions, not some idiotic gambling scheme. How about cutting spending (welfare programs first) and then cutting taxes so that businesses will actually be attracted to our state?! Congratulations you have no chance of understanding what is happening here. Do you think Strickland will stay awake nights in fear of this law suit. Please explain what is so illegal. I know you have a better reason than the voters. If we cut welfare programs which most of us don't like paying for, what would you prefer we do with all the people that starve to death on the streets. I guess you think they can just get of their rump and get a job like you and me. I understand there is welfare abuse but, as they say, "you'll have that". Oh what do you think we can start building in this country so we can attract these mystery companies to Ohio. The jobs are gone and it will take a while and yes we need to get started bringing these things home. BYE BYE TEDDY I don't think so.
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Tired
Columbus, OH
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Proposition 13 wrote: <quoted text> WHAT CAN'T YOU PEOPLE UNDERSTAND ABOUT THE FACT THAT OHIO IS ALREADY ONE OF THE HIGHEST TAXED STATES IN THE NATION? HOW CAN YOU RAISE TAXES ANY HIGHER WHEN THEY ARE ALREADY AMONG THE HIGHEST? GET A CLUE, PEOPLE! http://www.taxfoundation.org/taxdata/show/336... State and Local Tax Burdens: All States, One Year, 1977-2008 (Ohio) 1977 - 8.7% 1980 - 8.2% 1985 - 9.3% 1990 - 9.6% 1995 - 10.2% 2000 - 9.9% 2005 - 10.3% 2008 - 10.4% http://www.newgeography.com/content/00754-loc... Local and State Tax Burden Maps The highest tax burdens, as may be expected, are megalapolitan New Jersey, New York (11.7), Connecticut (11.1) and Maryland (10.8),(and Ohio 10.4). READ MY LIPS: NO NEW TAXES! Exactly!!! Why hasn't our fearless leader been working to keep what jobs we did have, as well as working to bring in more, therby creating a larger tax base to draw from??? Is he that far removed from basic economics???? I this it's time we got rid of all of them and hired, not elected some real business people to run this state!
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glr
Galena, OH
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Tired wrote: <quoted text>
Exactly!!!
Why hasn't our fearless leader been working to keep what jobs we did have, as well as working to bring in more, therby creating a larger tax base to draw from??? Is he that far removed from basic economics???? I this it's time we got rid of all of them and hired, not elected some real business people to run this state! People like you and others would find something to eventually complain about them also.
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Joe T
Chillicothe, OH
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Just raise the taxes already and stop cutting much needed programs!! You're putting us in worse shape by forcing thousands of Ohioans out of work. I don't see the good in more unemployed people.
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John
Toledo, OH
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I know the state can cut expenses in DD.,developmental centers by eliminating supervisors who don't supervise, but get paid by title only, and interact very little with residents; and abolish administrative assistant positions in those centers - who have no basic functions, but are called special projects administrators and are being politically protected. If we didn't have excess in state government, this mess would have never occurred. "Cut the fat!"
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Ginger
AOL
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BYE BYE TEDDY wrote: ANY hopes of re-election Strickland had have just been thrown on the trash heap. The governor will be sued, the courts will rule this is an illegal act and, in the meantime, Ohio's economy will continue to suffer.
We need real solutions, not some idiotic gambling scheme. How about cutting spending (welfare programs first) and then cutting taxes so that businesses will actually be attracted to our state?! And you are happy about that, Love to see people suffer. The governor did what he could, may God bless him in the next election.
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MEME
Hedgesville, WV
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Those who oppose slots apparently don't have a clue about ecominic development. You need to go get an education
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Joseph
Columbus, OH
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Proposition 13 wrote: <quoted text> Whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine, whine ... What don't you understand about how HIGH TAXES are KILLING this state? http://www.dallasfed.org/research/swe/2009/sw ... Southwest Economy First Quarter 2009 Federal Reserve Bank of Dallas Keys to Economic Growth: What Drives Texas? By Jason L. Saving Texas continued to grow after the nation sank into recession in December 2007. Staying up so long in down times adds to the state's reputation for superior economic performance. For the past 40 years, employment has consistently grown faster in Texas than the U.S.—by 1 percentage point a year on average (Chart 1). In looking at the drivers of economic growth, recent research has put increasing emphasis on human capital and institutions, such as taxes and public spending. These factors partly explain why some U.S. states and regions have managed to maintain business climates conducive to faster growth. Various studies have tied Texas' edge over the rest of the nation to such advantages as low tax burdens and flexible labor markets. The challenge will be to preserve these features while positioning the state to compete in a more knowledge-intensive economy. ... Where Does Texas Rank? The theories and practical applications suggest a potential for business climate differences to affect growth rates—both between nations and within a single country. And when we look at the U.S., we do see a strong correlation between favorable business climates and above-average economic growth, with Texas generally scoring high on both counts. State business climates differ dramatically in terms of taxes, according to groups such as the nonpartisan Tax Foundation. The organization's most recent evaluation of state business-tax climates places Texas seventh, with top 10 rankings for individual income and unemployment-insurance taxes.[13] Texas has no individual income tax. At first blush, it may seem odd to put individual income taxes in a business ranking, but it's important to remember that sole proprietorships make up three-quarters of American enterprises. Their income almost always appears on individual rather than corporate returns. Researchers have found that levies on individuals' incomes are among the worst in terms of distorting economic activity. They discourage production and savings as well as work. That's why onerous state income tax systems are among the biggest determinants of state economic growth. Texas doesn't fare as well on sales and property tax burdens. It sinks to the middle of the pack, with fairly high rates offset by tax bases somewhat smaller than most other states. The sales tax rate of 8.25 percent for most of urban Texas is among the nation's highest, though still less than several large-city rates, including Chicago's 10.25 percent. Actually, the average state/local tax burden nationwide ranges from about 6%-11%(with state and local taxes for state residents). Texas is nearly 10%, and Ohio is nearly 11%. It's not a huge difference. Regardless, I do not know why you are so angry because you got your way. We are not raising taxes, and we're keeping the tax cuts from the last five years in place. We're just cutting services that millions of Ohioans count on for their education, healthcare, etc. You should be happy!
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“jimmy agler”
Joined: Jul 3, 2009
Comments: 1372
grandview hts
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Galion, OH
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Proposition 13 wrote: <quoted text> "Were the Volt a Cadillac, the design could be striking. The design wouldn't need to emphasize wind resistance to squeeze out every foot of range because GM could put in more batteries for a more reasonable range, 80 or 100 miles. The gasoline motor would be bigger, creating more power for the heavier car. The price would be higher, much higher, say $80,000, and sale expectations would be lower. But a Cadillac Volt might have impact, and if successful with the rich, it becomes easier to sell to everyone else. The downside is that the wealthy usually pay attention to depreciation, and they might hesitate to spend on a car from a company that's just gone through bankruptcy." http://www.forbes.com/2009/07/06/chevrolet-vo... The point of that quote is that the answer to your question is YES. People locating businesses absolutely look at the bottom line. They don't give a rat's a___ss about the "community" or some other altruistic things you think should be done with someone else's money. So the question is, do you want jobs in this state. Do you want people to prosper? Or do you want them all to become wards of the state, living off the scraps the state is able to steal from an ever-declining tax base? why is it that the anti tax crowd believes that there is a middle ground?,,,of course i want jobs in this state(taft's tax reform),,but you can create jobs and wealth without leaving the poor to lay down in the street and die,,funny how every reply i get come from people who seem to thinkthat i don't pay taxes,,,,i do and yeah i wish they were lower but i am not going to tell someone they have to live in an alley so i can have one
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“jimmy agler”
Joined: Jul 3, 2009
Comments: 1372
grandview hts
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Galion, OH
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Proposition 13 wrote: <quoted text>
A bunch of bull from someone else who probably sucks at the government teet. The fact that they didn't follow the rules and made a mess of their lives isn't my problem. In fact, I would throw them in an alley, or at least pick the most worthless state like Arkansas and ship them all there. i don't know how many times i have to tell this to you but i am not on welfare,govt assistance,unemployment or any other govt program,,,i work,i pay taxes and i have the maturity to put my name and money where my mouth is,,,,of course if you parents did name you proposition 13 then you have my condolences.but think of the good news,,,,your taxes pay for cops to keep all those poor people from robbing your house
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“jimmy agler”
Joined: Jul 3, 2009
Comments: 1372
grandview hts
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Galion, OH
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Proposition 13 wrote: 2008
Texas:
Rate - 8.4%
Rank (1 is Highest)- 43rd
Total State and Local Taxes Paid -$3,580
Per Capita Income -$42,796
Ohio:
Rate - 10.4%
Rank (1 is Highest)- 7th
Total State and Local Taxes Paid -$4,049
Per Capita Income -$38,925 and why has ohio's median income gone down?,,,,could it be that good paying manufacturing jobs have been sent to mexico and replaced by a job at starbucks?of course the rich guys never seem to get their job outsourced,downsized,or sent to india,,,just think how much a company could save by paying execs 16 cents on the dollar
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Topper
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MEME wrote: Those who oppose slots apparently don't have a clue about ecominic development. You need to go get an education The utopia predictions are already being downsized... I see the finger pointing has already begun...... This will be a finaincial nightmare for Ohio.....
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