Michael Vick Seeks Bankruptcy Protection After Dogfighting Ring Conviction

vick fan wrote:

<quoted text>no, what i am trying to ask is what good does saving animals do for the majority of society, thats all. I think it is great to have a cause to fight for but for example, in this state right now there is a $20,000 reward for the capture of a punk who pours acid on dogs, and a $30,000 reward for the capture of an unknown murderer who killed a 9 & 10 yr old girls that were just out walking down a road that they walked down everyday. no one in either case has come forward. but the point is the priorities are all wrong. that is why I have an attitude when it comes to this subject.

The priorities are not wrong if felons are being prosecuted. Dogfights, for instance, yield drugs and illegal weapons, as we have already pointed out. The SAME illegal drugs and weapons that kill kids.

Nobody's gonna let a felon go, because you like to watch him on TV. When Kiefer Sutherland went to jail, haye had fans who whined. He shut them up, and took it like a man.

Fresh Look wrote:

When the USA sends a good, hardworking, productive man like Vick to prison for a "crime" like dogfighting, we have lost what is important and what is not. These were damn dogs, not humans! When did our nation become a nation of pu ss ies? Is PETA in charge of animal cruelty cases now? Shezzzz

Well consider the FACT that these animals have generated 40 billion dollars that helps support our economy. Consider the fact that these animals are employed and serve in law enforcement, Military, airport bomb/drug sniffing, rescue work and countless other positions PROTECTING HUMANS. Consider all the facts before you post such a ridiculous post. The only PUSSY I see is one who would refer to a CRIMINAL as a hard working, productive man.

Anbreen wrote:

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The priorities are not wrong if felons are being prosecuted. Dogfights, for instance, yield drugs and illegal weapons, as we have already pointed out. The SAME illegal drugs and weapons that kill kids.
Nobody's gonna let a felon go, because you like to watch him on TV. When Kiefer Sutherland went to jail, haye had fans who whined. He shut them up, and took it like a man.

Ok your missing the point miss high and mighty! First, what am I doing to help?....well for starters I am in nursing school right now and when I get out I hope with my gpa to go to med school, in short save "human lives" and as for the other thing all I am saying is a human life is worth more than a dog's whether it is a felony or not. That is the difference between what is taught in the SOUTH and what is taught where you are from... So, just because I dont jump all over how inhumane most criminals (like Vick) are, that doesn't mean I am not doing my part, I think when life is all said and done for me I will have saved plenty of lives, and given up many years for school and being away from my family all for "The Cause." Let's be real yes, murder and animal abuse are felonies but one should stomp the other by more than $10,000 worth of rewards, don't you think?(Murder vs. Animal abuse) hmmm!

Fresh Look wrote:

When the USA sends a good, hardworking, productive man like Vick to prison for a "crime" like dogfighting, we have lost what is important and what is not. These were damn dogs, not humans! When did our nation become a nation of pu ss ies? Is PETA in charge of animal cruelty cases now? Shezzzz

look dude I am a huge Vick fan but, come on...lets pull that head of yours out of the clouds, he did bad sh&t and is now in jail for it. seriously you cant believe ...productive? he's just real fast and fun to watch.

Rose wrote:

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Your sick post really doesn't warrant a reply as you are one hell of a wacko, but, nevertheless, I will give it my best shot.You are absolutely correct. Vick was a good, productive, and hardworking, man. He was very "good" in what he did like savagely torturing helpless and voiceless animals by electrocuting, hanging, and/or drowning them for his own personal pleasure. Yes, he did work very hard with his pleasureable hobby hearing the screams of those poor helpless animals while he was torturing them to death and getting his jollies off. As far as being productive is concerned, he certainly was very successful by producing dead carcasses from animals that had been brutally and violently tortured.

I present Rose, as "Exhibit A" on the pu ss ification of America. In 70% of the world,'dog' is what's for dinner. Have you ever been outside of the USA? I bet not. Travel a little and your views on animals will be ridiculed, as they should. America's dog fetish is just an example of what happens when you let women vote, emotional laws not rational laws. Fresh Look

vick fan wrote:

<quoted text>Ok your missing the point miss high and mighty! First, what am I doing to help?....well for starters I am in nursing school right now and when I get out I hope with my gpa to go to med school, in short save "human lives" and as for the other thing all I am saying is a human life is worth more than a dog's whether it is a felony or not. That is the difference between what is taught in the SOUTH and what is taught where you are from... So, just because I dont jump all over how inhumane most criminals (like Vick) are, that doesn't mean I am not doing my part, I think when life is all said and done for me I will have saved plenty of lives, and given up many years for school and being away from my family all for "The Cause." Let's be real yes, murder and animal abuse are felonies but one should stomp the other by more than $10,000 worth of rewards, don't you think?(Murder vs. Animal abuse) hmmm!

Yeah, I'm a nurse, myself. Hospice, at the moment, specifically. It didn't take me "many years" to get my license, though. Took a few years. So, I've saved lives too. You know what? You can save human AND animals lives. One does not preclude the other. I've dome it for YEARS.

How is the prosecution of other criminals than murderers negatively impacting the prosecution of murderers?

How is Vick's incarceration causing a human life to be lost? How, in fact, is Vick's incarceration negatively impacting the quality of ANY human's life? Except Vick's of course. And, that was Vicki's choice.

Are you aware that it's the Department of Agriculture that prosecutes dogfighting cases? Although Vick was not indicted for dogfighting, the DoA collected the evidence. The DoA CANNOT investigate or prosecute murder, or any other felony crime against humans.

Are you saying other crimes than murder should NOT be prosecuted? So, if someone stole your car, or beat you up, you'd ask the police NOT to arrest the guy, and the judge NOT to prosecute the guy, because murder is a worse crime? Or, if someone stole your Littman Cardio III 'scope, would you say, "That's OK. It's not murder."

Are you continuing to overlook the fact that dogfighting is a venue for drug and gun running, and other crimes? All of which endanger humans?

Are you continuing to overlook the fact that Vick has NEVER served a DAY for dogfighting? He's in jail for racketeering. Are you saying that ALL racketeers who are in federal prison should be set free? Or, just all racketeers who were indicted under the Travel Act of '61?

Which OTHER dogfighters are you defending, on the Net? Just the rich guy with the five lawyers? Or, are you defending the poor guys who did the crime, but can't afford a top-flight mouthpiece? If so, which ones?

Lastly, tell your instructors, for me, that for a nurse, you are a little short on critical thinking skills.

vick fan wrote:

<quoted text>look dude I am a huge Vick fan but, come on...lets pull that head of yours out of the clouds, he did bad sh&t and is now in jail for it. seriously you cant believe ...productive? he's just real fast and fun to watch.

We do agree on this.

Fresh Look wrote:

<quoted text> I present Rose, as "Exhibit A" on the pu ss ification of America. In 70% of the world,'dog' is what's for dinner. Have you ever been outside of the USA? I bet not. Travel a little and your views on animals will be ridiculed, as they should. America's dog fetish is just an example of what happens when you let women vote, emotional laws not rational laws. Fresh Look

Maybe Vick needs to live in one of those other countries. Here, it's a felony.

And, the anti-cruelty laws are getting tighter, not looser. Deal with it. And, people who take it across the state line go to Club Fed. Deal with THAT. And, women constitute 51% of the population, and outlive men. There's another home truth, for you.

Now, in China, you can have dog for dinner. But, the Chinese are not allowing black people in their bars, during the Olympics.

Anbreen, its amzing to me that you ever made it through nursing school at all, ok...pay attention lady...this whole converstaion is about the fact that i think that its bullsh8t that in my state the reward right now for the capture of a multiple child's killer capture is only 10,000 dollars less than some pricks pouring acid on a dog, I said that its bull crap that the reward is only 10,000 less because i value human life far more than a dogs. I like mike vick on the field, I dont think that all crimes, just because they are considered a felony, should be judged equally, if someone stole my car I wouldn't want that person to get the same punishment they would if they would have killed my sister! thats what i am saying. Did you score very high on your reading and comp classes? because you miss the point every time I type.
Lastly, I pray to god that you read peoples charts more effectively than you read these blogs, otherwise there are probably a lot of untimely deaths on your watch !

vick fan wrote:

Anbreen, its amzing to me that you ever made it through nursing school at all, ok...pay attention lady...this whole converstaion is about the fact that i think that its bullsh8t that in my state the reward right now for the capture of a multiple child's killer capture is only 10,000 dollars less than some pricks pouring acid on a dog, I said that its bull crap that the reward is only 10,000 less because i value human life far more than a dogs. I like mike vick on the field, I dont think that all crimes, just because they are considered a felony, should be judged equally, if someone stole my car I wouldn't want that person to get the same punishment they would if they would have killed my sister! thats what i am saying. Did you score very high on your reading and comp classes? because you miss the point every time I type.
Lastly, I pray to god that you read peoples charts more effectively than you read these blogs, otherwise there are probably a lot of untimely deaths on your watch !

I'm curious Vick Fan, how do you equate Vick's 23-month sentence to being more than a killer who gets life or the death penalty?
And, just because I might value human life over a dogs, does not mean I will condone the torture and abuse of any animal. Frankly, in my opinion, any human who sees nothing wrong with the type of torture Vick inflicted on his dogs has no right to expect their lives to be more important than a dog. That type of behavior not even shown in the animal world. Animals kill for food, but humans kill for the thrill. Add torture to that and you have a sadistic bastard who's life isn't any better than the animals. A person who would stoop to actions so low that the animals wouldn't do it is not as good as an animal. So, how do you figure Vick's sentence is more unfair?

vick fan wrote:

Anbreen, its amzing to me that you ever made it through nursing school at all, ok...pay attention lady...this whole converstaion is about the fact that i think that its bullsh8t that in my state the reward right now for the capture of a multiple child's killer capture is only 10,000 dollars less than some pricks pouring acid on a dog, I said that its bull crap that the reward is only 10,000 less because i value human life far more than a dogs. I like mike vick on the field, I dont think that all crimes, just because they are considered a felony, should be judged equally, if someone stole my car I wouldn't want that person to get the same punishment they would if they would have killed my sister! thats what i am saying. Did you score very high on your reading and comp classes? because you miss the point every time I type.
Lastly, I pray to god that you read peoples charts more effectively than you read these blogs, otherwise there are probably a lot of untimely deaths on your watch !

No untimely deaths-- sorry to disappoint. If you were a better writer, or had better critical thinking skills, you wouldn't keep complaining about people "missing your point."

You keep implying that protection of one species somehow precludes protection of another. But, you have never made a case.

You are also overlooking the fact that dogfighters are also involved in weapons and drug crimes-- which impact humans. You have simply not dealt with that very salient fact.

All felonies are NOT punished the same. I don't know how murder is punished where you live. Here it's 25-life. Dogfighting is five years, per count.

Vick's dream team bargained the feds down to one count of one charge of the Travel Act. The max is five years, per count. The feds recommended 12-18 months. That's a good deal, considering that Vick could have been slammed with RICO violations, and multiple counts of the Travel Act. The sentence went up to 23 months. after Vick CHOSE to violate his plea agreement, at least twice. Vick's choice.

Around here, murder doesn't get a 12-18 month, or even a 23 month sentence.

Barbara Hathaway wrote:

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I'm curious Vick Fan, how do you equate Vick's 23-month sentence to being more than a killer who gets life or the death penalty?
And, just because I might value human life over a dogs, does not mean I will condone the torture and abuse of any animal. Frankly, in my opinion, any human who sees nothing wrong with the type of torture Vick inflicted on his dogs has no right to expect their lives to be more important than a dog. That type of behavior not even shown in the animal world. Animals kill for food, but humans kill for the thrill. Add torture to that and you have a sadistic bastard who's life isn't any better than the animals. A person who would stoop to actions so low that the animals wouldn't do it is not as good as an animal. So, how do you figure Vick's sentence is more unfair?

I curious barb- did i ever say his sentence was unfair , god you people are amazing you only see what you want to see. i said....just read the earlier post between me and anbreen if you get it fine if not fine too good luck on your quest.

Barbara Hathaway wrote:

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I'm curious Vick Fan, how do you equate Vick's 23-month sentence to being more than a killer who gets life or the death penalty?
And, just because I might value human life over a dogs, does not mean I will condone the torture and abuse of any animal. Frankly, in my opinion, any human who sees nothing wrong with the type of torture Vick inflicted on his dogs has no right to expect their lives to be more important than a dog. That type of behavior not even shown in the animal world. Animals kill for food, but humans kill for the thrill. Add torture to that and you have a sadistic bastard who's life isn't any better than the animals. A person who would stoop to actions so low that the animals wouldn't do it is not as good as an animal. So, how do you figure Vick's sentence is more unfair?

I agree! In fact, I'm a little alarmed that a nurse-to-be thinks that zoosadism is pretty much OK. That killing an animal by body-slamming it to death is also OK.

I guess Vick Fan's courses haven't gotten into the DSM, yet.

Anbreen wrote:

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No untimely deaths-- sorry to disappoint. If you were a better writer, or had better critical thinking skills, you wouldn't keep complaining about people "missing your point."
You keep implying that protection of one species somehow precludes protection of another. But, you have never made a case.
You are also overlooking the fact that dogfighters are also involved in weapons and drug crimes-- which impact humans. You have simply not dealt with that very salient fact.
All felonies are NOT punished the same. I don't know how murder is punished where you live. Here it's 25-life. Dogfighting is five years, per count.
Vick's dream team bargained the feds down to one count of one charge of the Travel Act. The max is five years, per count. The feds recommended 12-18 months. That's a good deal, considering that Vick could have been slammed with RICO violations, and multiple counts of the Travel Act. The sentence went up to 23 months. after Vick CHOSE to violate his plea agreement, at least twice. Vick's choice.
Around here, murder doesn't get a 12-18 month, or even a 23 month sentence.

your right its my critical thinking skills....thats the problem. your amazing, good luck in life!

WHY OH WHY CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?

I love my chihuahua! FU Vick

vick fan wrote:

<quoted text>I curious barb- did i ever say his sentence was unfair , god you people are amazing you only see what you want to see. i said....just read the earlier post between me and anbreen if you get it fine if not fine too good luck on your quest.

Well, given that Vick has never served a day for dogfighting, I would say that he has been treated MORE than fairly, by the legal system.

What is your position on the racketeering?

I hope your chart documentation is better than your posts.

I (and other here) am not sure WHAT your point is, other that you seem to be arguing against prosecution of a felony for which Vick has not been convicted.

You are also, unsuccessfully, trying to draw a negative correlation between felonies against humans and against animals. You have never put forth a rationale, however.

Rodney King wrote:

WHY OH WHY CANT WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?
I love my chihuahua! FU Vick

Hey, Rodney! Good to see you! Hear you are back in rehab at Las Encinas! What's this.. your dozenth time? Beautiful hospital, that, though.

Take care, sweetie!

vick fan wrote:

<quoted text>your right its my critical thinking skills....thats the problem. your amazing, good luck in life!

Well, at least we agree that Vick is a great runner, and fun to watch!

runner or not,he's nothing but a dawg-killer.

vick fan wrote:

Anbreen, its amzing to me that you ever made it through nursing school at all, ok...pay attention lady...this whole converstaion is about the fact that i think that its bullsh8t that in my state the reward right now for the capture of a multiple child's killer capture is only 10,000 dollars less than some pricks pouring acid on a dog, I said that its bull crap that the reward is only 10,000 less because i value human life far more than a dogs. I like mike vick on the field, I dont think that all crimes, just because they are considered a felony, should be judged equally, if someone stole my car I wouldn't want that person to get the same punishment they would if they would have killed my sister! thats what i am saying. Did you score very high on your reading and comp classes? because you miss the point every time I type.
Lastly, I pray to god that you read peoples charts more effectively than you read these blogs, otherwise there are probably a lot of untimely deaths on your watch !

OMG as much as I hate to admit it... I understand VF's point. Why is the fine higher for a person pouring acid on a dog than a person killing children? Now if I was honestly seeking the answer to that question would I, 1.) Go to topix and ask the people on there posting in support of dogs? Or 2.) Write the lawmakers and get an honest answer to my question?

Are you writing letters? Are you calling anyone?