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Chris Nielsen
Doty, WA
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This story, and others like it, are attempts to sully tenure in order to terminate tenure itself, and the reason: because schools do not want to pay tenured teachers and professors. It is that simple. It is also an assault on the credentials which teachers and professors must attain through the tenure process. As with doping young boys with Ritalin, this is just another dummying down of our nation and the bottom line is saving a couple dollars. Welcome to the United States of Enron.
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teacher
AOL
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I could name a few in EPISD that need to be gone..........
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Outside Observer
El Paso, TX
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High school teachers do not recieve tenure. In the state of Texas, only a college professor, and only under certain circumstances, can recieve tenure. An article that has no bearing on the El Paso education landscape whatsoever.
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Get It Straight
East Northport, NY
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In the case of criminal charges, the districts are at the mercy of the justice system which moves very slowly. Until the person is found guilty, the district must pay them. We can't blame the schools for this. In the case of a teacher who just can't teach, is bad at the job, refuses to get remedial instruction to be better etc, the timing is much quicker - IF the district has a good paper trail and can prove it's case.
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Geee
Taiwan
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How about the local (Las Cruces) principal who had 2 DWIs in a year?
He was 'in good standing' right up until the point he killed himself riding his bike while three times the legal limit.
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Oh Yeah
Allentown, PA
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As a teacher, it's pretty hard to defend tenure. Depending on where you're at you put in three or five years and you're basically protected for life with a decent salary and excellent benefits. No wonder my profession struggles for respect.
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Chris Nielsen
Doty, WA
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When I was in college, I was lucky enough to have a student job under the wing of one of the most respected, tenured professors at my university, and I can tell you he worked his butt off to become tenured. Also, he was a shining example of what it meant to be a tenured college professor. On a side note, I think the overwhelming majority of people who disagree with the tenure process are those who do not have the b*lls to become tenured in the first place. Nuff Said.
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jim
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Bad teachers are usually moved to drivers ed teachers , coaches counselors or Principals even some bad teacher become superintendents I even know some bad teachers that have moved to their State Department of Education supervisory positions. As a retired teacher i have met several bad teachers that have become principals and superintendents that feel they can tell teachers how to teach. Everyone knows that all children can preform well above the average, this is a joke of course, their are below average, average and above average students but some seem to think all teachers should bring all children to above average achievement and test score should prove that so teachers are judged by their students scores. There is no way to bring them up to artificial standards set by Eletist people
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Obama Hopeless
Miami, FL
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Every single one of the bad teachers along with union leaders will support Obama and Obama will support the bad teachers. Let the private sector take over the educational system and do it now!
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checmate
Cordova, AL
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It needs to go both ways- Bad teachers & bad administrators at all levels should be held accountable.
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Meisterlehrer
United States
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I am a tenured teacher in North Carolina. Tenure doesn't mean the same thing everywhere. I can tell you right now that tenured or not, if this teacher were down here, he or she would have been gone years ago. The strength of tenure depends of state laws and how powerful the teachers' union is; so tenure is not bad in and of itself.
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Diane Hazel
Newington, CT
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$113,000+ earned by a public school teacher? I suspect this number is a reminder that you cannot believe much of what you read.
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downeaster
Stetson, ME
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teachers unions have had their way to long. the pay is terrific for a part time job. competition is limited by the pay structure, new hires make so much less so qualified well paid teachers don't move people extending tenure are responsible for not wanting to say not nice things to each other, then hide behind the system. open up the profession to retired professionals with one or two year limits on their job duration and bring some enlightment and competition into the arena and see the changes. i have never met a mid to high level exec who couldn't tell it like it is to a child, school board or parent.
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School Teacher
El Paso, TX
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downeaster wrote: the pay is terrific for a part time job. competition is limited by the pay structure, new hires make so much less so qualified well paid teachers don't move
people extending tenure are responsible for not wanting to say not nice things to each other, then hide behind the system.
open up the profession to retired professionals with one or two year limits on their job duration and bring some enlightment and competition into the arena and see the changes. i have never met a mid to high level exec who couldn't tell it like it is to a child, school board or parent. Part time job? ROFLMAO, you aren't a teacher if you think teaching is a part time gig. I spend nearly as much time developing new lessons, updating lessons, integrating new technology into lessons, grading/correcting essays/research papers, making parent contact, averaging grades, preparing for the next few days worth of lessons, attending workshops for professional development, and filling out paper work all on my "personal time" for which I get paid nothing. My salary, with a B.A. in English Lit and a M.A. in Medieval Lit net me about $46K/year. I teach 9 weeks straight, get 2 weeks off, until summer at which point I get 5 weeks off (although during my brief summer "vacation" I'm normally off to some week-long workshop, AP or Dual Credit training). You call this a part time job? I probably work more hours than you do on a weekly average, and get paid less. As for opening up the arena to "retired professionals," it has been for quite some time. The reason there is "no competition" is because most new teachers quite within 4 years due to excessive paper work, stress, or incompetant administration (much like you obviously would be), if they have a degree in something other than education there are far better paying jobs out there that require far less work. Do some research, be informed, get a clue; you don't have the slightest idea of what you're talking about.
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Harry
United States
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I stopped casting my pearls (teaching) before swine long ago... This generation of progeny from other countries has no background here, understanding, or ability to even speak with comprehension. Its 'all good" in the new mix.. so what are you complaining about? Take a bite of the apple but I'll be damned if I pass on a core to this bunch. Teachers are generally liberal fools in extreme leftist school environments - Today, according to the new standards, a bad teacher is a conservative. Teaching today is nothing more than state curriculum and philosophy based on current manipulated trends.
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“Eye Smell a Huckster in NH”
Joined: May 29, 2008
Comments: 2164
Waltham, MA
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This is why Sean is still employed by a school district, rather than parking cars on weekends.
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“Eye Smell a Huckster in NH”
Joined: May 29, 2008
Comments: 2164
Waltham, MA
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Diane Hazel wrote: $113,000+ earned by a public school teacher?
I suspect this number is a reminder that you cannot believe much of what you read. Yeah, they should really talk more about the higher paid teachers.
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Konnecticut_Bett er_Yet
Norwich, CT
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Time to bust the unions rather than rolling over for them like gutless little cowards. It's the unions, plain and simple. They've been robbing and holding towns and taxpayers hostage long enough.
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“Eye Smell a Huckster in NH”
Joined: May 29, 2008
Comments: 2164
Waltham, MA
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School Teacher wrote: <quoted text>
Part time job? ROFLMAO, you aren't a teacher if you think teaching is a part time gig. I spend nearly as much time developing new lessons, updating lessons, integrating new technology into lessons, grading/correcting essays/research papers, making parent contact, averaging grades, preparing for the next few days worth of lessons, attending workshops for professional development, and filling out paper work all on my "personal time" for which I get paid nothing. My salary, with a B.A. in English Lit and a M.A. in Medieval Lit net me about $46K/year. I teach 9 weeks straight, get 2 weeks off, until summer at which point I get 5 weeks off (although during my brief summer "vacation" I'm normally off to some week-long workshop, AP or Dual Credit training). You call this a part time job? I probably work more hours than you do on a weekly average, and get paid less.
As for opening up the arena to "retired professionals," it has been for quite some time. The reason there is "no competition" is because most new teachers quite within 4 years due to excessive paper work, stress, or incompetant administration (much like you obviously would be), if they have a degree in something other than education there are far better paying jobs out there that require far less work.
Do some research, be informed, get a clue; you don't have the slightest idea of what you're talking about. The typical labor contract on LI calls for a 181 day work year, and the day cannot extend beyond 7 hours and 5 minutes. That's part time work, despite some work done at home.
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Konnecticut_Bett er_Yet
Norwich, CT
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School Teacher wrote: <quoted text>
Part time job? ROFLMAO, you aren't a teacher if you think teaching is a part time gig. I spend nearly as much time developing new lessons, updating lessons, integrating new technology into lessons, grading/correcting essays/research papers, making parent contact, averaging grades, preparing for the next few days worth of lessons, attending workshops for professional development, and filling out paper work all on my "personal time" for which I get paid nothing. My salary, with a B.A. in English Lit and a M.A. in Medieval Lit net me about $46K/year. I teach 9 weeks straight, get 2 weeks off, until summer at which point I get 5 weeks off (although during my brief summer "vacation" I'm normally off to some week-long workshop, AP or Dual Credit training). You call this a part time job? I probably work more hours than you do on a weekly average, and get paid less.
As for opening up the arena to "retired professionals," it has been for quite some time. The reason there is "no competition" is because most new teachers quite within 4 years due to excessive paper work, stress, or incompetant administration (much like you obviously would be), if they have a degree in something other than education there are far better paying jobs out there that require far less work.
Do some research, be informed, get a clue; you don't have the slightest idea of what you're talking about. In CT, teachers work 185 days, roughly half a year for a full-years salary, benefits and pension. Yes, it is part time.
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