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Ace
Santa Cruz, CA
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klaker wrote: Take a look at this link. http://www.nopitbullbans.com/... The biggest problem is that the "pit bull" in itself is not even a breed of dog. But another reason why this dog has what the CDC considers to be the larger portion of the dog bite stats is because it is confused with other breeds. There are 25 breeds of dogs that are commonly mistaken for a pit bull which only serves to increase the stats against them. I find it funny that everyone on the board is screaming to ban this breed. But then what about the sheppards, Akitas and other breeds that will take the place of the pit bull for the thugs of the world? So- how would you solve this very real problem with vicious dogs? The public is getting very fed up and, if this keeps up, will inevitably ban pitbulls. Your arguments had better be more substantive than suggesting that other breeds will become killers in the place of pit-bulls.
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JTY
Saint Paul, MN
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kick the dog wrote: http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog% 20Attacks%201982%20to%202006%2 0Clifton.pdf Klaker- ok this is from 2006 but I'm sure it's a lot worse now... just a few stats I pulled out- pit bull terrier- 1110 attack doing bodily harm, 104 deaths, 608 maimings rottweiler- 409 attack doing bodily harm, 58 deaths, 223 maimings both breeds SsUuCcKk!! but clearly one is worse than the other! That is because the term pit bull is a description of a dog type and not a breed.
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Joined: May 13, 2008
Comments: 572
Saint Paul, MN
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klaker wrote: I find it funny that everyone on the board is screaming to ban this breed. But then what about the sheppards, Akitas and other breeds that will take the place of the pit bull for the thugs of the world? I didn't know that dogs thought like hoodrat gang bangers. I didn't know that the German Sheppards were "waiting" for the pit bulls to be taken out so they could "take over" as "thugs" of the world.
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Slim Jim
Albuquerque, NM
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Jerami wrote: Yeah there have been numerous deaths by retrievers, hasn't there. We're not talking about bites...we're talking about vicious attacks. Pit Bulls don't belong in society. Im sure there are a few pit bulls that wouldn't hurt a fly but the majority of them are vicious potential killers. It is not as sexy on the news to state that a retriever has killed a child. But you plug in the word Pitbull in there and everyone goes crazy. It's not the dogs fault, it is the responsiblilty of the owners to properly train the dog.
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Joined: Jun 6, 2008
Comments: 301
Saint Paul, MN
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Yeah dogs can be trained to kill but some dogs have to be trained not to kill...these are the dogs that need to be taken care of...the ones who don't need any training to kill...they just do it. Thats the case here...this pit bull was not trained to kill...it just did it.
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Joined: May 13, 2008
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Saint Paul, MN
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Slim Jim wrote: <quoted text> It is not as sexy on the news to state that a retriever has killed a child. But you plug in the word Pitbull in there and everyone goes crazy. It's not the dogs fault, it is the responsiblilty of the owners to properly train the dog. Pit Bulls killed 104 people in 2006. Golden Retrievers killed 1 person. Is it not as "sexy" or not as common? http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Attacks%20198...
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Saint Paul, MN
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Slim Jim wrote: <quoted text> It is not as sexy on the news to state that a retriever has killed a child. But you plug in the word Pitbull in there and everyone goes crazy. It's not the dogs fault, it is the responsiblilty of the owners to properly train the dog. I just bought a lab and ive been working furiously on training him...no bad dog...dont kill...killing bad...good boy you didnt kill...heres a treat. Is that the training we need to do? When you train a dog to sit they don't sit right away...so should I assume that when I get a dog when I train them not to kill...a few casualties should be expected?
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Ace
Santa Cruz, CA
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Slim Jim wrote: <quoted text> It is not as sexy on the news to state that a retriever has killed a child. But you plug in the word Pitbull in there and everyone goes crazy. It's not the dogs fault, it is the responsiblilty of the owners to properly train the dog. I have to disagree totally with that. A retriever killing someone is akin to the old "Man bites dog" newsworthiness scale. It would be BIG news. People hear about pit bulls killing people very often, but I doubt anyone has ever heard of a retriever killing someone. To be fair, though, there IS a case of an infant being killed by a Pomeranian, if you can believe it.
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“Proud Skeptic!”
Joined: Feb 20, 2008
Comments: 1273
El Paso
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Plano, TX
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Jerami wrote: Yeah dogs can be trained to kill but some dogs have to be trained not to kill...these are the dogs that need to be taken care of...the ones who don't need any training to kill...they just do it. Thats the case here...this pit bull was not trained to kill...it just did it. How can you be sure it was not trained to kill? No story so far has indicated anything of the sort either way. I would be happy to read any link you have that indicates that these dogs were not trained to be aggressive.
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“Proud Skeptic!”
Joined: Feb 20, 2008
Comments: 1273
El Paso
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Plano, TX
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klaker wrote: ...I find it funny that everyone on the board is screaming to ban this breed. But then what about the sheppards, Akitas and other breeds that will take the place of the pit bull for the thugs of the world? Not everyone on this board is calling for a ban on the breed.
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Ace
Santa Cruz, CA
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Platea Aequitas wrote: <quoted text> Pit Bulls killed 104 people in 2006. Golden Retrievers killed 1 person. Is it not as "sexy" or not as common? http://www.dogbitelaw.com/Dog%20Attacks%20198... I stand corrected. Looks like a poodle is the safest dog to own.
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Slim Jim
Albuquerque, NM
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klaker wrote: Take a look at this link. http://www.nopitbullbans.com/... The biggest problem is that the "pit bull" in itself is not even a breed of dog. But another reason why this dog has what the CDC considers to be the larger portion of the dog bite stats is because it is confused with other breeds. There are 25 breeds of dogs that are commonly mistaken for a pit bull which only serves to increase the stats against them. I find it funny that everyone on the board is screaming to ban this breed. But then what about the sheppards, Akitas and other breeds that will take the place of the pit bull for the thugs of the world? Dalmations have a worse bite record than the American Pitbull Terrier. But who cares about the Dalmationright!
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Joined: Jun 6, 2008
Comments: 301
Saint Paul, MN
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Wake Up El Paso wrote: <quoted text> How can you be sure it was not trained to kill? No story so far has indicated anything of the sort either way. I would be happy to read any link you have that indicates that these dogs were not trained to be aggressive. No link just figure family with kids wouldn't specifically train their dog to kill. Im sure Child Protective Services analyzed the family situation. But sure its possible this dog was trained to kill a member of there family...people do that all the time right. But lets give a "DOG" the benefit of the doubt.
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Joined: Jun 6, 2008
Comments: 301
Saint Paul, MN
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Slim Jim wrote: <quoted text> Dalmations have a worse bite record than the American Pitbull Terrier. But who cares about the Dalmationright! Show me kill records...not bite records. Any dog that kills should be put down...and if there are numerous cases where a certain breed has been killing humans I say hell yeah get rid of them. If Labs start killing...I will take a look at my dog thats for damn sure. Luckily I didnt have to train my dog not to kill.
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Ace
Santa Cruz, CA
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Slim Jim wrote: <quoted text> Dalmations have a worse bite record than the American Pitbull Terrier. But who cares about the Dalmationright! We're NOT talking about bites. We're talking about deaths.
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spot
Stamford, CT
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Slim Jim wrote: <quoted text> Dalmations have a worse bite record than the American Pitbull Terrier. But who cares about the Dalmationright! dalmatiAns are hardly known for killing children.
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Ace
Santa Cruz, CA
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Lying Oblamma wrote: My wife resembles a pit bull dog. When you put down your wife it only makes YOU look bad. I bet she's a lot better looking than you are.
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Joined: May 13, 2008
Comments: 572
Saint Paul, MN
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Slim Jim wrote: <quoted text> Dalmations have a worse bite record than the American Pitbull Terrier. But who cares about the Dalmationright! BIG difference between a bite and an attack that results in maiming or death. I have two labs that will bite if you get in their face and scare them, but they don't atack. A bite is more of defensive reaction when a dog is scared or startled. An attack is a bloodthirsty assault. BIG difference. All dogs will bite, few attack.
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Saint Paul, MN
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Platea Aequitas wrote: <quoted text> BIG difference between a bite and an attack that results in maiming or death. I have two labs that will bite if you get in their face and scare them, but they don't atack. A bite is more of defensive reaction when a dog is scared or startled. An attack is a bloodthirsty assault. BIG difference. All dogs will bite, few attack. Well said
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“Proud Skeptic!”
Joined: Feb 20, 2008
Comments: 1273
El Paso
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Fort Worth, TX
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Jerami wrote: <quoted text> No link just figure family with kids wouldn't specifically train their dog to kill. Im sure Child Protective Services analyzed the family situation. But sure its possible this dog was trained to kill a member of there family...people do that all the time right. But lets give a "DOG" the benefit of the doubt. Apparently the child was the only one in the home since the article did not mention any others. You would presume it would if other children might have been in danger. Also the child was placed by CPS apparently in spite of the dogs being there...unless of course the dogs were not there when CPS decided to place this child there. Texas CPS is not known as the wisest of government agencies.
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