Mormon church enters Calif. gay marriage fight

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Ace wrote:

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Damn chief!
You were actually accurate and honest for a change.
Must have been an accident.
Religion is a private, personal choice. It shouldn't be the substance af a campaign to convert others.
That offense encroaches on the other persons personal life.

chief22 wrote:

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It is our calling... to bring others into the fold, there are as many different ways to do that as there are people doing it, personally I like the example, style of letting people see what we are all about.

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Ace wrote:

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I hesttate to even respond to your tripe, but here goes-
That "moral clarity" you claim is certainly not a universal assumption.
Your morals are as un-clear and full of hypocrisey that it is laughable when you laud them.
Ever wondered how christianity went from a compassionate and forgiving spiritual experience to a mean-spirited, judgemental and violent attack on secular ideas?
It lost it's moral clarity! Completely.
I bet jesus is kinda p-issed at you for becoming what he fought against.
Careful of those lightning bolts, there rube...

Duce Bigelow wrote:

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I'm glad that I don't share your same confusion. Let's just say that we have simple disagreement over a complex problem. I'm willing to admit we
have a difference in philosophies -- Good night Johnboy!

Dennis wrote:

Sure nice of them to offer up their ideas of what sexual relations, etc. should consist of but when I need the advise of pedophiles I know where to find them.
I'll bet if scum such as themselves wanted to inact pedophilia as the law they'd come out in favor of it.
It makes my skin crawl to see these people offering their views in public; similar to the feeling I get when someone mentions NAMBLA (sp?).

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Ace wrote:

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Your calling is offensive and invasive.
Not to mention un-wanted.
You do NOT have the right to convert others. You simply have the right to believe for yourself.
When you invade other people's space with your version of the creation myth, you have exceeded your rights. If you don't have permission from someone to proselytize, then don't.
Very simple game of mutual respect.
Kinda like that "don't ask, don't tell" that you guys love so much in the military.

chief22 wrote:

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unwanted to you, and I would never even try as anti religion as you are, but fornatually you only speek for a small minority of haters

Ace wrote:

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Religion has become a sad and joke.
The nuts want to blame secularists while they completely miss the point that it's their own hypocrisey that destroyed any crediblity their religion might have had.
Jesus didn't beat people over the head to convert them.
He converted people by being a living example of his preachings.
There's a lesson there.

Duce Bigelow wrote:

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OK, Johnboy, you set the record straight once and for all.
Is marriage a civil right or personal choice?

Garganchuan wrote:

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Both if you're not Homo! End of story!

Duce Bigelow wrote:

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OK, Johnboy, you set the record straight once and for all.
Is marriage a civil right or personal choice?

Ace wrote:

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To be clear- are you referring to the legal status granted to marriage by the State, or are you referring to the choice of being single or married?
There's a huge legal distinction.
If the State supports the right to marry, then they MUST support that right fairly and impartially.
That's the law!
Hope that clears your mind.

Dennis wrote:

Sure nice of them to offer up their ideas of what sexual relations, etc. should consist of but when I need the advise of pedophiles I know where to find them.
I'll bet if scum such as themselves wanted to inact pedophilia as the law they'd come out in favor of it.
It makes my skin crawl to see these people offering their views in public; similar to the feeling I get when someone mentions NAMBLA (sp?).

Duce Bigelow wrote:

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OK, Johnboy, you set the record straight once and for all.
Is marriage a civil right or personal choice?

Ace wrote:

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You just don't get it.

chief22 wrote:

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unwanted to you, and I would never even try as anti religion as you are, but fornatually you only speek for a small minority of haters

Duce Bigelow wrote:

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Individual choice is NOT regulated by government...

chief22 wrote:

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It is a privelage which requires a liscens issued by each state.

Duce Bigelow wrote:

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Civil Rights are regulated by laws and personal choice is a result of our own choosing. Thanks for clearing that up!

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UnbelievableFL wrote:

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Marriage is a basic civil right. Courts across the country have found that time and time again. It's about time you accept that fact.