Florida - Shaken Baby: Day in Court

I think they are a very strong family, and the daycare provider is guilty, she needs to sit in jail, it's horrible that she'd do something like this to an innocent human being, what about her kids would she ever lay a hand on them. Kaleb could have died! She is perfectly fine, and free, it's Kaleb's right to have justice served for him, his life is changed forever, I hope hers is as well....

daycare worker is not guilty.
she is not in jail beause she is INNOCENT unless proven guilty. rebeccas life has been altered as have her 3 children for a crime she did not do.

Well as of right now NOONE is guilty - there has been no trial yet. None of us has seen any "real facts" or "actual evidence" against either person - there for it is NOT proven who did it.

Anonymous123 - If Rebecca is "INNOCENT UNLESS PROVEN GUILTY" then why aren't you saying that about Kristy??- After all thats how it is in every case...right?- Why do you make that known for Rebecca, but not Kristy?? I understand that it's "your right" and "your opinion" but "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY" goes for both of them.

Beverly - The "PERSON/PERSONS" responsible should pay for what they have done to this innocent baby, and I'm sure they will- as soon as there is a "TRIAL" - until there is a trial NOONE knows who did it other than the guilty one, God, and Kaleb - as I said above - that is "your right" and "opinion" but seriously we don't know who is really guilty.

Our OPINIONS will not be the reason justice is served - hell what we think really doesn't matter because its not "FACTS" and we have nothing to do with this case in any way other than following it and stating our opinions.

I hope that by commenting to you guys I did not offend you - If so then sorry - thats not my intentions - I too have an opinion as to who did it - but really there's no point in saying anything about it on forums.

I just hope that the right person gets punished to the full extent aloud by law - I also feel that neither party involved needs any negative attention right now - negativity does nothing for anyone or helps in anyway - Also just so anyone that comments on this forum knows - I am not saying that either of you were being negative - it's just my opinion.

Atleast everyone can agree that KALEB is the most important one right now because he is fighting for his life - I hope that no matter what opinion anyone has - they keep Kaleb in there mind,heart, and prayers!- It really is a shame that this happened to him - shoot its a shame that it happens to any child or family!

Also before someone says anything - I understand that Rebecca's children need prayers too - I'm sure this has been horrible for them - and it's only going to get worse.

Anonymous123 - If Rebecca is "INNOCENT UNLESS PROVEN GUILTY" then why aren't you saying that about Kristy??- After all thats how it is in every case...right?- Why do you make that known for Rebecca, but not Kristy?? I understand that it's "your right" and "your opinion" but "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY" goes for both of them.

i did not comment on Kristy because it was REBECCA not KRISTY charged with this crime. beverly said she was guilty. she is NOT GUILTY. she is CHARGED!
the reason i did not comment on Kristy is because no one said she was guilty nor was she charged. it was rebecca that was arraigned, not kristy. Rebecca is INNOCENT unless PROVEN guilty.

anonymous123 wrote:

Anonymous123 - If Rebecca is "INNOCENT UNLESS PROVEN GUILTY" then why aren't you saying that about Kristy??- After all thats how it is in every case...right?- Why do you make that known for Rebecca, but not Kristy?? I understand that it's "your right" and "your opinion" but "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY" goes for both of them.
i did not comment on Kristy because it was REBECCA not KRISTY charged with this crime. beverly said she was guilty. she is NOT GUILTY. she is CHARGED!
the reason i did not comment on Kristy is because no one said she was guilty nor was she charged. it was rebecca that was arraigned, not kristy. Rebecca is INNOCENT unless PROVEN guilty.

I see your point.- I hope that my comment (that you responded to) didn't offend you though - Thats not what I was meaning to do!

her children? really, what about kristy's child that is fighting for his life? what about him? do you ever think about that while your pleading her innocence?what kind of person are you? you think that some poor child deserves this? to be fighting just to live at his age? he hasnt had any time to live and you think her children come in to play at this point? her children may be taken away but for good reason she is OBVIOUSLY a threat to children and shouldn't have any. Her kids are safer away from her than anywhere near her!!!!

Jessica wrote:

her children? really, what about kristy's child that is fighting for his life? what about him? do you ever think about that while your pleading her innocence?what kind of person are you? you think that some poor child deserves this? to be fighting just to live at his age? he hasnt had any time to live and you think her children come in to play at this point? her children may be taken away but for good reason she is OBVIOUSLY a threat to children and shouldn't have any. Her kids are safer away from her than anywhere near her!!!!

we pray for kaleb daily but we also pray for rebeccas three innocent children. rebecca has not beenshown to be guilty. she has been ACCUSED.she is not a threat to her children. she has watched children all her life and has no reports of abuse. we do not know WHO did this to kaleb or if it is a misdiagnosis or what. the children deserve their mother as they are innocent victims in this too. we pray the truth will come out in this.

Why can't they give Saunders a lie detector test..If she's so innocent she would take one and be yelling the results from the roof tops!!How about it Saunders will you take the test and prove your innocence????

trish wrote:

Why can't they give Saunders a lie detector test..If she's so innocent she would take one and be yelling the results from the roof tops!!How about it Saunders will you take the test and prove your innocence????

Polygraphs (lie detectors) are inadmissible in court. They have not been proven to be 100% accurate ther for they can not be used to determine one's innocence in court. And there is websites out the dedicated to "how to pass a polygraph/lie detector (an yes it can be done).

www.antipolygraph.org
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polygraph

Those are just 2 of the many sites out there on ploygraphs'lie detectors. If you read them they're kinda interseting....or atleast I think so.

Yes some can get away with lieing but it gives a good idea who is telling the truth and I doubt she had time to study up on cheating a lie detector test.It might be not usable in court but it sure would be good for public opinion if it came out in her favor...What would be to hide if truly innocent??

beverly wrote:

I think they are a very strong family, and the daycare provider is guilty, she needs to sit in jail, it's horrible that she'd do something like this to an innocent human being, what about her kids would she ever lay a hand on them. Kaleb could have died! She is perfectly fine, and free, it's Kaleb's right to have justice served for him, his life is changed forever, I hope hers is as well....

Where is your proof that she is guilty....Rebecca is innocent until proven guilty....

Jessica wrote:

her children? really, what about kristy's child that is fighting for his life? what about him? do you ever think about that while your pleading her innocence?what kind of person are you? you think that some poor child deserves this? to be fighting just to live at his age? he hasnt had any time to live and you think her children come in to play at this point? her children may be taken away but for good reason she is OBVIOUSLY a threat to children and shouldn't have any. Her kids are safer away from her than anywhere near her!!!!

Once again where is your proof.....SUre Kaleb is fighting for his life at the hands of someone, but there are 2 other kids that are affected by this also....And her kids are subject to public scruitny because of who their mom is.....Rebecca has lost EVERYTHING because she is accused at this point....That means her children have lost everything too.....SO if you have proof that Rebecca is guilty then why dont you spill the info other wise REBECCA IS INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY IN A COURT OF LAW

trish wrote:

Why can't they give Saunders a lie detector test..If she's so innocent she would take one and be yelling the results from the roof tops!!How about it Saunders will you take the test and prove your innocence????

lie detection tests do not hold up in a court of law

trish wrote:

Yes some can get away with lieing but it gives a good idea who is telling the truth and I doubt she had time to study up on cheating a lie detector test.It might be not usable in court but it sure would be good for public opinion if it came out in her favor...What would be to hide if truly innocent??

True - it would help ease the publics thoughts - but I'm sure that they wouldn't want to waist the time and money on a polygraph test just to ease our minds.- After all what we think isnt important - because were not the judge and jury and we wont be the reason that justice is served to who that did this.

Oh BTW I wasn't meaning that Rebecca studied up on "how to cheat a polygraph" I was just simply stating a reason as to why they are not usable in court.

there is no proof the sitter did it and no way to pin point when it happend why does everybody jump on her? cuz sombody said she did it i can say im married to brad pitt does that make it true nopw. I know one thing we have a mom in fl who seems more into her gifts then her son. read the blog on how she was late to see him off to the procedure and still went to the po box risking being able to see him b4 they take him away. you tell me what mom would go to the po box to get gifts and chance missing their son b4 taken in wow. this baby was sick when taken to the sitters he
had breathing problems. you can shake a baby and sbs be not detected for days or weeks and docs CAN NOT pin point the time of injury. Look at the facts 50% of sbs cases are from the paretnt, the sitter deals with kids day to day. this is kristys first child. there was a deleted log that kristy left on a friends page saying the sitter called to say kaleb was sick when will it end im sick of the drama. so unless you have proof that the sitter did it you have no rights to point fingers. I do know one thing if my son was in picu i sure would not have a full face of makeup posing with gifts with a huge smile like its x mas.

i think it is rediculous for Saunders' lawyer to critisize the fact that Kristy has a blog on Myspace. i read her blog everytime she posts one, and it has NEVER mentioned anything regarding the case or who could have done it. the only thing she talks about is how her beautiful little boy is doing. his progress, and hopes that whoever reads the blog, will say a prayer, because as others have stated Kaleb is the most important person in this whole situation. i like the blog, because i am getting the truth about Kaleb straight from his mother. so please everyone take a minute to pray for Kaleb...

If I dropped off my infant and he was just fine, and then wasn't when I picked him up, who would get the blame?

And for those who say Saunders is innocent until proven guilty, would YOU leave your infant in her care?

I am not ACCUSING either side.- I personally am for Ktisty(I do not need to explain why I feel that way, due to the fact that I am not askin anyone why they are for Rebecca)- but I am not degrading Rebecca or her name.

I noticed that someone said "what about Kristys baby?"...- well we can all pray for Kaleb and Rebecca's children too.- Prayer is not reserved for just one person!- After all noone is more innocent than the children of both Kristy and Rebebcca.- They have done absolutly nothing wrong to anyone!

I also see nothing wrong with Kristy's myspace - so she wants to keep everyone updated - she's not doing anything wrong on it!- I know that some believe that she is "hinting" for more things...- honsestly how you take her blog and statements is all up to you - Others don't see it like that.- Sure people make good points about it - but at the same time her actions can be justified too - not everyone acts the same way when faced with a horrible situations like this one.- One can only assume how they'd react until actually living it - and even then everyone still reacts differently to things!

I personally will donate to the Schwades - for the fact that they are in need - no amount of money is more important than helping an innocent baby and his family!- I've also noticed that on another forum many of them are going to start sending Rebecca's children stuff - I think thats a very good idea (again the children have done nothing wrong!)

Oh and before anyone jumps me - I'm not saying that Rebecca is "guilty"- because it is "innocent until proven guilty" no matter what anyone thinks for the simple fact that, that it how our legal/judicial system works!- Everyone is entitled to a fair trial.

In my opinion - I seriously think that everyone should move past the "who did it" phase - Our opinions on who is innocent and guilty DOES NOT matter to this case!- Our "OPINIONS" are not "FACTS" in any way, shape, or form!- They will NOT be the reason that justice is served to who ever did this !

Our prayers and focus should be on Kaleb ( for he is fighting for his LIFE) and on Rebecca's 3 CHILDREN ( for they have been seperated not only from there mother but from each other as well).- I can not stress enough about how innocent the children are and how they ALL need our prayers!

Both families have had there lives turned upside down and inside out - but atleast the adults can take care of themselves - where as the children (all involved on both sides) can not.- Kaleb is suffering enough, try to not cause his family and MOM more trouble and heart ache.- Rebecca's Children are suffering too and should not be forgotten or have to hear the aweful things being said about their MOM!

Can't everyone just agree to disagree when it comes to "who's innocent and who's guilty"?- If you really want to do something good for this whole situation... then PRAY FOR ALL THE CHILDREN and that ONLY the RIGHT person gets punished - not "who anyone thinks it is".

Praying For Kaleb wrote:

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Once again where is your proof.....SUre Kaleb is fighting for his life at the hands of someone, but there are 2 other kids that are affected by this also....And her kids are subject to public scruitny because of who their mom is.....Rebecca has lost EVERYTHING because she is accused at this point....That means her children have lost everything too.....SO if you have proof that Rebecca is guilty then why dont you spill the info other wise REBECCA IS INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY IN A COURT OF LAW

There are lots of things that I don't agree with you on (on the other forums) and I might be "the rudest witch out there"..(lol)... but I have to say that after reading everything (arguments on both sides) I agree with you on this! The children (on both sides) need all the prayers right now!

I am not here on this forum to offend anyone and believe it or not I wasn't trying to do that on any other forum either ( although I know it seemed that way). NO PUN intened!

BTW- I've changed my name as I'm sure you can tell...but only for the reason that my comments don't get ignored or over looked!

I was defensive about my comments and taking up for Kristy... but seriously there is no point in being like that because like I've said beofre that what we think will not be the reason justice is served to the right person ...whoever that may be.

you support Rebecca, I support Kristy...they both need people on there side. I just hope that in the end the right person is brought to justice wheather it be either of them or someone completely different!

This is a lose lose situation because both families have lost all normalcy the had in their lives and they've both had their names drug through the mud. And even when justice is served they'll ( meaning both families) still wont be able to repair all that has been broken here!

Tampa, FL
daycare worker being charged with shaking baby Kaleb. But, do the facts actually show the daycare provider's innocence??

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2007/5/15/...

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