Teen Mom Could Face New Charges in Baby's Death

what on earth wrote:

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lol I swear thats just like my MIL, when she starts in with all that bs.......I usually put my back against a wall at that point so I can at least see the knife coming..........hows your day going???

my day is good. I hope your day is going good too. Thanks for the laugh today, I needed it. Your posts always make me laugh.

she should beat to death with a belt and shoe and laid to rest beside her baby, so that baby haunts her, so she can never rest in peace. she has know concepet really of what she has done.

Retired wrote:

I see nothing has changed on here. Anyone know the condition of the younger child? Was it abused also?

The younger child is perfectly healthy and safe.=-)

bobbie wrote:

<quoted text>Sorry to hear u spent your whole weekend on your jeep. Hopefully, u will get it sold. I hate getting new cell phones..it always takes awhile for me to get it figured out too. As for my weekend, it was good. I stayed away from the crown royal up at the bar and just stuck with beer. Me and my girlfriends got a little crazy out on the dance floor but we had a great time.

yea..the kid didnt even buy the jeep..chode...so if anyone wants a cheap, beater beach truck, my cherokee is for sale! CHEAP! i like my new phone..its a phone, camcorder, camera and a mp3 player...and it was only 10 bucks to upgrade to it which since my phone has been discontinued worked out great for me...

Someone who cares wrote:

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The younger child is perfectly healthy and safe.=-)

what a shame no one got them both out of the house before she brutally murdered the older one. they should rip out her reproductive organs without any anesthesia...

I have had 6 children(21 down to 11) and been a single mom for more than half of it. There have been trying times for me and I have felt the urge to just lose it myself but I made the choice not to. There are help lines that she could have utilized... I locked myself in the bathroom( at age 17) once and made that phone call and they directed me to parenting classes and it taught me not to be abusive as my parents were to me. I could have beaten the crap out of my 2 year old but I made that CHOICE NOT TO!! If you have enough love in your heart to go through that 9 months and those hours of childbirth then why not have the time to go to anger control or parenting classes? Isnt that what you are supposed to do as a parent? Keep your children safe? I didnt learn that from my parents but I learned it from my heart.... I know that a smile from a child is worth more than any amount of time needed in a classroom to be a better parent if there was no parent to teach you. She failed herself and her son.. Nobody is at fault but her....

littledancer_mn wrote:

I have had 6 children(21 down to 11) and been a single mom for more than half of it. There have been trying times for me and I have felt the urge to just lose it myself but I made the choice not to. There are help lines that she could have utilized... I locked myself in the bathroom( at age 17) once and made that phone call and they directed me to parenting classes and it taught me not to be abusive as my parents were to me. I could have beaten the crap out of my 2 year old but I made that CHOICE NOT TO!! If you have enough love in your heart to go through that 9 months and those hours of childbirth then why not have the time to go to anger control or parenting classes? Isnt that what you are supposed to do as a parent? Keep your children safe? I didnt learn that from my parents but I learned it from my heart.... I know that a smile from a child is worth more than any amount of time needed in a classroom to be a better parent if there was no parent to teach you. She failed herself and her son.. Nobody is at fault but her....

very well said!!!

littledancer_mn wrote:

I have had 6 children(21 down to 11) and been a single mom for more than half of it. There have been trying times for me and I have felt the urge to just lose it myself but I made the choice not to. There are help lines that she could have utilized... I locked myself in the bathroom( at age 17) once and made that phone call and they directed me to parenting classes and it taught me not to be abusive as my parents were to me. I could have beaten the crap out of my 2 year old but I made that CHOICE NOT TO!! If you have enough love in your heart to go through that 9 months and those hours of childbirth then why not have the time to go to anger control or parenting classes? Isnt that what you are supposed to do as a parent? Keep your children safe? I didnt learn that from my parents but I learned it from my heart.... I know that a smile from a child is worth more than any amount of time needed in a classroom to be a better parent if there was no parent to teach you. She failed herself and her son.. Nobody is at fault but her....

you madam is the reason that I think there is STILL hope for the world today, reading between the lines of your statement you did NOT have much help in gorwing up BUT regardless of that you KNEW that it was wrong to take out your anger / frustrations on an innocent baby and did not sit and make excuses but got off your butt and reached out WELL DONE..........at least it would be a safe bet that none of your 6 children will go on to make mistakes like her as they was taught well by their mum right from wrong.

littledancer_mn wrote:

I have had 6 children(21 down to 11) and been a single mom for more than half of it. There have been trying times for me and I have felt the urge to just lose it myself but I made the choice not to. There are help lines that she could have utilized... I locked myself in the bathroom( at age 17) once and made that phone call and they directed me to parenting classes and it taught me not to be abusive as my parents were to me. I could have beaten the crap out of my 2 year old but I made that CHOICE NOT TO!! If you have enough love in your heart to go through that 9 months and those hours of childbirth then why not have the time to go to anger control or parenting classes? Isnt that what you are supposed to do as a parent? Keep your children safe? I didnt learn that from my parents but I learned it from my heart.... I know that a smile from a child is worth more than any amount of time needed in a classroom to be a better parent if there was no parent to teach you. She failed herself and her son.. Nobody is at fault but her....

congrats 2 you...What u said makes perfect sense..

Red,and yellow, black and white...Jesus loves HIS 'lil children...... It is a sad situation. Now this baby has gone home to his heavenly father and will never be harmed again.......

what on earth wrote:

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you madam is the reason that I think there is STILL hope for the world today, reading between the lines of your statement you did NOT have much help in gorwing up BUT regardless of that you KNEW that it was wrong to take out your anger / frustrations on an innocent baby and did not sit and make excuses but got off your butt and reached out WELL DONE..........at least it would be a safe bet that none of your 6 children will go on to make mistakes like her as they was taught well by their mum right from wrong.

You read between the lines very well. Both of my parents were alcoholics and verbally,mentally, and physically abusive to me and my 3 sisters. I swore that if I had any children (which I almost did not because of the genes) I would not be like them. My mother never had a chance to know my children until they were all after speaking age.Just in case she went back to her old ways they could tell me or anyone else. My father now tries to makup for it but I still have to be the first to say I love you. And amazingly my mother is now my very best friend. I havent forgotten what they did but I did forgive them thus breaking the vicious cycle that I am sure started with my very hard grandparents. I read an awesome book,"A Child Called It", then "Lost Boy", and followed up with "A Man Named Dave" all of which are very powerful books. This man made it out okay and has never laid a hand on his children. I cant imagine this girl had it any harder then him. He made a choice as did I to handle anger in a totally different way. THERE IS NO gray area here of whose fault it was that she took the life of her child. It is black or white, right or wrong. She either murdered or she didnt. And we know the answer to that. We dont question the guy who goes "postal" and say maybe its his parents fault. So why assume that on this situation.

littledancer_mn wrote:

<quoted text>You read between the lines very well. Both of my parents were alcoholics and verbally,mentally, and physically abusive to me and my 3 sisters. I swore that if I had any children (which I almost did not because of the genes) I would not be like them. My mother never had a chance to know my children until they were all after speaking age.Just in case she went back to her old ways they could tell me or anyone else. My father now tries to makup for it but I still have to be the first to say I love you. And amazingly my mother is now my very best friend. I havent forgotten what they did but I did forgive them thus breaking the vicious cycle that I am sure started with my very hard grandparents. I read an awesome book,"A Child Called It", then "Lost Boy", and followed up with "A Man Named Dave" all of which are very powerful books. This man made it out okay and has never laid a hand on his children. I cant imagine this girl had it any harder then him. He made a choice as did I to handle anger in a totally different way. THERE IS NO gray area here of whose fault it was that she took the life of her child. It is black or white, right or wrong. She either murdered or she didnt. And we know the answer to that. We dont question the guy who goes "postal" and say maybe its his parents fault. So why assume that on this situation.

glad that you saw enough of what you did NOT want to be as a parent, so many do not..........and so the cycle continues but to be honest I often feel that is trotted out as an excuse......just a small though re the books you mentioned, was you aware that an awful lot of what he wrote was discredited in the UK, I must admit I never truly followed what was the outcome of the accusations that he made a great deal of what he wrote was false, I too read the books and in fact both of my children read the first two and we discussed it at length....I personally could not see how ALL of what he went through [if true] was missed by the teachers, by LAW in the UK you are bound to report any [however vague] a suspicion that a child is being abused and to the enth that this child was meant to be HOW could it have been missed or ignored, maybe it was "just" the times and if so I am truly glad that the chance of this being a part of life now is for the most part gone..........just do the very best you can as a parent, your children will see that it is the RIGHT thing to do, and if not you will be there to guide them

littledancer_mn wrote:

<quoted text>You read between the lines very well. Both of my parents were alcoholics and verbally,mentally, and physically abusive to me and my 3 sisters. I swore that if I had any children (which I almost did not because of the genes) I would not be like them. My mother never had a chance to know my children until they were all after speaking age.Just in case she went back to her old ways they could tell me or anyone else. My father now tries to makup for it but I still have to be the first to say I love you. And amazingly my mother is now my very best friend. I havent forgotten what they did but I did forgive them thus breaking the vicious cycle that I am sure started with my very hard grandparents. I read an awesome book,"A Child Called It", then "Lost Boy", and followed up with "A Man Named Dave" all of which are very powerful books. This man made it out okay and has never laid a hand on his children. I cant imagine this girl had it any harder then him. He made a choice as did I to handle anger in a totally different way. THERE IS NO gray area here of whose fault it was that she took the life of her child. It is black or white, right or wrong. She either murdered or she didnt. And we know the answer to that. We dont question the guy who goes "postal" and say maybe its his parents fault. So why assume that on this situation.

Damn Girl-You Sound So Much Like Me! With Your Parent's - Especially on the Forgiving them! Mama & I are Best Friends Now as well And with Daddy...I had to be the first one to say "I Love You" Or the first to reach for a hug! But, I am So Very Glad that I did!(And that you have as well!)- It didn't really hit me (Mainly The Regrets that would have eaten me alive, If I had Not forgiven them!) Until-We Lost Daddy last Month (At 66). Although he was so Young He was also Very Ill (W/Cancer). So, I have NO regrets - And now I can look past the bad parts of my life w/ them, And concentrate on the Great times we had Together-Right Up 'til the end w/ Daddy! The Other things that you wrote are very familiar as well, From breaking the cycle with your own children, Reading the books By Dave Pelzer, Right down to the views of this "Mother" and there Not being ANY Excuse for it! As You said (And You Are so very Right)- I too, Doubt Very Seriously that this girl went through even a fraction of the Pure & Utter Hell that Dave Pelzer did! And-To this day, I am still shocked that he Survived his Mother's Evil Wrath And In Awe that he NEVER (Even as a Young Boy)-Took it out on Or Blamed Anyone Else for what he went through! Which is not all too surprising, Being that he felt More Pity for his Mother, Rather than Hatred! Again-I am Very Happy that you have forgiven your parents! And I applaud the Selfless efforts you have made to turn all of your negatives into positives! As I know - It Is NOT an easy thing to do and it takes a strong person to do it! And-No-There Are NO GRAY AREAS!

I went to the funeral home and viewed the body of this 2YEAR OLD CHILD yesterday and beyond the sadness I felt for the loss of this little boy who could not defend himself (from his own mother), I feel even more saddened as I read through some of the comments posted on this forum. We really have not progressed much from the dark ages it appears as it relates to our thinking and attitudes. There are children being abused as we speak. Let's come up with tougher laws to help protect those who can't protect or speak for themselves. And n9o, this is not about race (remember the so called mother who put her baby into the microwave). Shame on anyone who would take the opportunity to interject race into this.

what on earth wrote:

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glad that you saw enough of what you did NOT want to be as a parent, so many do not..........and so the cycle continues but to be honest I often feel that is trotted out as an excuse......just a small though re the books you mentioned, was you aware that an awful lot of what he wrote was discredited in the UK, I must admit I never truly followed what was the outcome of the accusations that he made a great deal of what he wrote was false, I too read the books and in fact both of my children read the first two and we discussed it at length....I personally could not see how ALL of what he went through [if true] was missed by the teachers, by LAW in the UK you are bound to report any [however vague] a suspicion that a child is being abused and to the enth that this child was meant to be HOW could it have been missed or ignored, maybe it was "just" the times and if so I am truly glad that the chance of this being a part of life now is for the most part gone..........just do the very best you can as a parent, your children will see that it is the RIGHT thing to do, and if not you will be there to guide them

No I was not aware that most of what was written was discredited. I read those books as a young parent(16-18)and even though they might not be factually, I believed it at the time and therefore have become a better and loving and kind parent because of reading them. Also my own will and desire to not be in that circle was a major contributor!

what on earth wrote:

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glad that you saw enough of what you did NOT want to be as a parent, so many do not..........and so the cycle continues but to be honest I often feel that is trotted out as an excuse......just a small though re the books you mentioned, was you aware that an awful lot of what he wrote was discredited in the UK, I must admit I never truly followed what was the outcome of the accusations that he made a great deal of what he wrote was false, I too read the books and in fact both of my children read the first two and we discussed it at length....I personally could not see how ALL of what he went through [if true] was missed by the teachers, by LAW in the UK you are bound to report any [however vague] a suspicion that a child is being abused and to the enth that this child was meant to be HOW could it have been missed or ignored, maybe it was "just" the times and if so I am truly glad that the chance of this being a part of life now is for the most part gone..........just do the very best you can as a parent, your children will see that it is the RIGHT thing to do, and if not you will be there to guide them

David Pelzer's works were never discredited, except by one of his brothers. The others have all come out and said that what he wrote about was pretty much accurate. It happened in Southern California, at a time which, child abuse laws weren't as stringent as they are today. He has grown up to be very successful and devoted to his country. He served in the military, and has won numerous awards for his charity. He is one that should be admired!

I read the 3 "It" books, while working as a Case Manager for DCF. It brought into perspective, what some of the children I was dealing with had lived through. It's a sad thing when a child can't depend on the one person in this world who is supposed to love and protect him.

I hope the mother of little Cortez is punished to the fullest extent of the law. Her background and her living situations are no excuse for what she did. There are plenty of people who have lived through more hellish experiences than she, who have grown up and become productive members of society!

http://www.davepelzer.com/

Batmans girl wrote:

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David Pelzer's works were never discredited, except by one of his brothers. The others have all come out and said that what he wrote about was pretty much accurate. It happened in Southern California, at a time which, child abuse laws weren't as stringent as they are today. He has grown up to be very successful and devoted to his country. He served in the military, and has won numerous awards for his charity. He is one that should be admired!
I read the 3 "It" books, while working as a Case Manager for DCF. It brought into perspective, what some of the children I was dealing with had lived through. It's a sad thing when a child can't depend on the one person in this world who is supposed to love and protect him.
I hope the mother of little Cortez is punished to the fullest extent of the law. Her background and her living situations are no excuse for what she did. There are plenty of people who have lived through more hellish experiences than she, who have grown up and become productive members of society!
http://www.davepelzer.com/

Thank you for clearing that up. One of my sisters was sexully molested by a family member and we all said no way to police, her therapist, and social workers. We made her out to be a compulsive liar. It wasnt until that person became terminally ill that he actually admitted the truth. There are 3 sides to every story and we found out that hers was the true side. Unfortunately it has been 16 years and she has never forgiven us for failing to believe her. Thank god she made the decision to never stayed around that person alone or who knows what or how long it might have happened. People see what they want to see sometimes and cant admit the truth and many get hurt in the process. Sad truth about life isnt it?

Batmans girl wrote:

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David Pelzer's works were never discredited, except by one of his brothers. The others have all come out and said that what he wrote about was pretty much accurate. It happened in Southern California, at a time which, child abuse laws weren't as stringent as they are today. He has grown up to be very successful and devoted to his country. He served in the military, and has won numerous awards for his charity. He is one that should be admired!
I read the 3 "It" books, while working as a Case Manager for DCF. It brought into perspective, what some of the children I was dealing with had lived through. It's a sad thing when a child can't depend on the one person in this world who is supposed to love and protect him.
I hope the mother of little Cortez is punished to the fullest extent of the law. Her background and her living situations are no excuse for what she did. There are plenty of people who have lived through more hellish experiences than she, who have grown up and become productive members of society!
http://www.davepelzer.com/

thanks for that..like I said they did make a great deal of an issue of it in the UK, but then it sort of died down with NO real outcome said either way.

regards

she need to stay in jail why would she abuse her child and kill them that is so hurtful that makes me so mad and it makes me wanna find her and do some things to her but its all good because god gonna get her and everything is gonna come back as twice as she did to her baby if she didnt want the baby she shouldve never open her legs to make one it takes two to have a baby so she put half of the work into it i no her parents had to teach her some sense she just make me so mad when i read this over and over she see that she is still alive rite now why would she do that to a beautiful baby she made then i forgot she is still a baby herself...