Man tells judge he killed his children

Confused, did you read what I wrote? Some of the things you say are in total agreement with the bible, not with religion but with the bible. I am not getting upset with you and there is no reason for you to get upset with me. I am not trying to change you, I am merely pointing out that you have very valid reasons for the way you believe and your anger toward religion.I am not Catholic so the Vatican does not hold any strings on me. If you knew about that religion you would know from what I am writing that I am not.
The fact that these things were written thousands of years ago and they are still relevent is in itself a testament to the Creator. Along with creation itself. Raise your eyes up on a clear night and see the stars. Do you think they came about by chance? What about the watch you are probably wearing, did it come about by chance or did someone make it? If you took all its parts and put them in a bag and shook it up do you think it would by chance put itself together? Any creature on this earth is more complicated than a watch.
The principles in the bible that were written thousands of years ago are still very relevent today. Things like how to be a good husband, or wife, or why listening to your parents is the wise course. Also how to treat others and how to be forgiving and kind.
You seem to be sad to me, kind of angry.I wish you could take a little time to learn what the bible really says and then make your decision.

I have another comment for your last post. You believe in the wind though you can't see it and you believe in electricity though you can't see it. This is because though you can't see those things you know they are there because of the effect of them, it is the same way with God.

You can believe in yourself and that is fine, it is the beauty of freewill, which is also in the bible.

I was only writing to you to let you see the truth can be found in the bible and the answer to your questions about war and terrorism and molesting and all the other atrocities in the world. Also I wanted to address all the other interesting points you brought up.

Lisa I am neither sad nor upset. Every time I post a comment, you quickly in turn say I am in agreement with the bible. I am not "in agreement" with the bible, quite the contrary.

Try and make a comment back to me not influnced by the bible. Do not make any bible references, do not even use the word bible. I dont belive you can. Show me some of that free will.

Please refrain from telling me how I feel. I am, as a matter of fact very happy. I am happy that I am free from the tyrany of religion, the oppression of religion and the utter enslavment of it. I am happy I am free and that I am not bound by a book or a slave to false prophets.

Oh and by the way. A star is a massive, luminous ball of plasma that is held together by gravity. Something that was created out of tangible material not by Angle's Shooting off firecrackers or whatever crazy thing your religion tells you.

Confused,
What I know comes from the bible, so I can not respond to you without it. Freewill means you have the choice, the choice to follow God's laws or abandon them.
We can agree to disagree.

Lisa wrote:

In Matthew 24 it gives the signs of the last days. It says in verse 14 that during all the chaos "and this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all the nations and then shall the end come"KJV
So the good news of Gods Kingdom has to preached so all can have a chance to learn about the future. Some change their lives and become favorable to God.There are many that really don't know about his promises or how life really should be. In 2 Peter 3:9 it says that God isn't slow respecting his promise but he doesn't want any to be destroyed but to attain repentance. So he is giving time for people to learn. So though it seems as if he doesn't care he really does, wanting as many as possible to learn.Remember he gave his Son for us. Think of how painful it was for him to see that but to know it was the only way for man to be redeemed.

Lisa, I have read all of your posts and have to say that you put everything in a way that has made a lot of sense if you are a person of faith, as I am. I just have one question for you about this post. You explain that God is waiting for more people to learn of Him and accept Him into their lives. Does it seem to you that more people are turning away from Him than ever before instead of turning to Him?

Well LMS (my initials also!) I am a person of faith, I can't even imagine how lost I would be if I didn't know what the Bible says and the hope of the future that I have. The bible calls it "the real life"
The fact that many would turn from God would be prevalent in the "last days" 2 Timothy 3:1-5 says "In the last days critical times hard to deal with will be here. Men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of God, self assuming, haughty, blasphemers, unthankful, disloyal, having no natural affection, not open to any agreement, headstrong, puffed up with pride, lovers of pleasures rather than lovers of God, having a form of Godly devotion but proving false to it's power, and from these turn away." Doesn't that sound like the evening news??

However with the global preaching and teaching there would be some that would learn and we are really seeing that happening. In Haggai 2:7 it says "And I will rock all the nations so that the desirable things of all the nations must come in and I will fill this house with glory..." and at Daniel 12:4 it says "And as for you, O Daniel, make secret the words and seal up thebook, until the time of the end. Many will rove about and true knowledge will become abundant. and again at verse 9:"And he went on to say Go Daniel because the words are made secret and sealed up until the time of the end, many will cleanse themselves and will be refined. And wicked ones will certainly act wickedly and no wicked ones at all will understand; but the ones having insight will understand.

So in the midst of the bad some would want to learn about God and would know that He is our only hope today.

Confused,
I'm sorry you are confused and clueless as to what Lisa is saying. Unfortunately there are too many like you. Lisa, Keep up the good work!

Laura wrote:

Confused,
I'm sorry you are confused and clueless as to what Lisa is saying. Unfortunately there are too many like you. Lisa, Keep up the good work!

How typical. I do not agree with you. So like every religious nut-bag out there. You in turn insult My intelligence.

Here is the news sister. When you die you die. There is not heaven nor hell. You are worm-food. You do not get judged by some bald dude at golden gates. You do not fly around as an Angel nor do you get poked in the **** by some demon.

Your whole bout on religion is based on nothing but word of mouth and a book. There is NOTHING tangible you can show me that proves there is a god. But sure as heck there are religious people on TV blabbing about how they need your money for the good of the church? if god is all knowing and powerfull WHY CANT HE JUST GIVE YOU MONEY? no you will come up with another friggen bible quote or say that this is god challenging us or the devil took all the money... so the only way to get it back is to give it all to some evangilist on TV. You base nothing on reality, you people make excuse after excuse for HUMAN mistakes and problems... a priest molests some kids... "the devil got him and made him do evil"... no the **** is SICK IN THE HEAD... My word! would you people start taking responsibility for your own actions!

It must be nice to always have that fall back crutch...

Lisa wrote: "The God of heaven will set up a kingdom that will never be brought to ruin. It will crush and put an end to all these kingdoms and it itself will stand till times indefinite" I look forward to that day...that will be a time when true justice and love will rule on the earth.”

The Bible has nothing which scientific and logical and no facts. I’ve always liked the idea of God and Heaven. It really is a nice thought. The bible explains a variety of “miracles”, all of which mysteriously happened before photography or television could capture them. Now, the miracles we get are a bunch of nutjobs who think that Mary appeared in a mud puddle or something. There are no facts to support God, because God is a concept created by man to deal with man’s fears and fear of dying.

Maybe if more people like you focused on the present-day, trying to make things better NOW instead of being so obsessive and horny for the this fictitious end of days, the world would be a better place.

Well I have to say once again that of the two that don't believe the word of God at least one of them agree with what it says. First of all Confused writes that we are worm food when we die. In the bible (this is not for Confused so i will write the word) it says at Ecclesiastes 9:5 "for the living are concious that they will die but as for the dead, they are concious of nothing at all, neither do they have any wages for the rememberance of them has been forgotten."

Verse 10"all that your hand finds to do, do it with your very power for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge in Sheol, the place to which you are going." Sheol is the grave, so I guess it could be said we are "worm food" when we die.
In John chapter 11 Jesus likened death to sleep. He resurrected a friend of his and I would guess that if you were a friend of Jesus then if there was a heavenly life, you would be in line for it. Actually if he was in heaven it would have been cruel for Jesus to resurrect him. But that was not the case. His friend Lazarus was resurrected after 4 days of being dead and yet he was happy and did speak at all of what happened while he was dead. He was just that, dead. So I guess it could be said we are worm food at death.
You will find that the dead do have a hope, but for the present they are dead.

And that is the way they would stay if it hadn't been for the sacrifice that the only perfect man made for us.

Now as for scientific facts, the bible is not a science book but when it comes to science it is accurate, which one would expect from the Creator. Remember how it was in the 1400s that people learned that the earth was round? The bible says the "he is dwelling above the circle of the earth" at Isaiah 40:22 (written in 732 b.c.e. And in Job 26:7 it says "the earth hangs on nothing" (written in 1473 b.c.e.)
so while these "wise" philosophers were saying the earth was being held up by elephants or some such nonsense, the bible was accurate again.

I am not here to debate though. I just would like to show that when someone says there is no God or the bible is inaccurate, they are usually not familiar with what it says and though they don't listen to God, they will ascribe to the philosophy of man. It is sad.
Also as to doing something now, a true christian will follow Christ and if everyone did that ...ie....being a good citzen, loving all people, and so on, we would not be in the mess we are in today.

Lisa wrote:

Well I have to say once again that of the two that don't believe the word of God at least one of them agree with what it says. First of all Confused writes that we are worm food when we die. In the bible (this is not for Confused so i will write the word) it says at Ecclesiastes 9:5 "for the living are concious that they will die but as for the dead, they are concious of nothing at all, neither do they have any wages for the rememberance of them has been forgotten."
Verse 10"all that your hand finds to do, do it with your very power for there is no work nor devising nor knowledge in Sheol, the place to which you are going." Sheol is the grave, so I guess it could be said we are "worm food" when we die.
In John chapter 11 Jesus likened death to sleep. He resurrected a friend of his and I would guess that if you were a friend of Jesus then if there was a heavenly life, you would be in line for it. Actually if he was in heaven it would have been cruel for Jesus to resurrect him. But that was not the case. His friend Lazarus was resurrected after 4 days of being dead and yet he was happy and did speak at all of what happened while he was dead. He was just that, dead. So I guess it could be said we are worm food at death.
You will find that the dead do have a hope, but for the present they are dead.
And that is the way they would stay if it hadn't been for the sacrifice that the only perfect man made for us.
Now as for scientific facts, the bible is not a science book but when it comes to science it is accurate, which one would expect from the Creator. Remember how it was in the 1400s that people learned that the earth was round? The bible says the "he is dwelling above the circle of the earth" at Isaiah 40:22 (written in 732 b.c.e. And in Job 26:7 it says "the earth hangs on nothing" (written in 1473 b.c.e.)
so while these "wise" philosophers were saying the earth was being held up by elephants or some such nonsense, the bible was accurate again.
I am not here to debate though. I just would like to show that when someone says there is no God or the bible is inaccurate, they are usually not familiar with what it says and though they don't listen to God, they will ascribe to the philosophy of man. It is sad.
Also as to doing something now, a true christian will follow Christ and if everyone did that ...ie....being a good citzen, loving all people, and so on, we would not be in the mess we are in today.

Right after you wrote that I agree with the bible and I started to see numbers with semi-colons is when I stopped reading.

Yet another post that you assume I agree with something that I do not read nor look at or even have in my home. Thats like me saying to you. Hitler likes ice cream and you like ice cream so you must agree with Hitler. So now you and Hitler like ice cream you are now a Nazi pig. Congrats.

Stop quoting books or I will help you with them. Here is one from an old favorite.

I am Sam
Sam I am

That Sam-I-am!
That Sam-I-am!
I do not like that Sam-I-am!

Here we can agree this book tells us not to like that Sam-I-am.

I don't like Sam now. Thank you book for pre-determining my likes and dislikes.

Confused, in your earlier posts you eluded to having faith at one point in time. Did something happen in your life that removed your faith or did it change as you grew up and began to have your own ideas and beliefs?

I know I grew up Lutheran so I had to go to catechism (sp?) and was confirmed, had my first communion, etc. However, as I got older I began to not like the idea of organized religion. I feel each organized religious group has this idea that their interpretation of the Bible is the correct one and if you don't worship in the manner or way they say you should then you are wrong. I just don't agree with that. Anyway, I know you are not a religious person so I won't babble on anymore I was just curious if there was something that happened that made you seem so angry with religion.

Joanie wrote:

The Bible has nothing which scientific and logical and no facts. I’ve always liked the idea of God and Heaven. It really is a nice thought. The bible explains a variety of “miracles”, all of which mysteriously happened before photography or television could capture them. Now, the miracles we get are a bunch of nutjobs who think that Mary appeared in a mud puddle or something. There are no facts to support God, because God is a concept created by man to deal with man’s fears and fear of dying.
Maybe if more people like you focused on the present-day, trying to make things better NOW instead of being so obsessive and horny for the this fictitious end of days, the world would be a better place.

There are still miracles. My twin sons in particular were healed of a hearing disability after we prayed with an elder at our church.

As far as there being no proof that God exists... I am a wildlife biologist. I spent eight years in at GVSU studying genetics, statistics, evolution, etc. Let me tell you frankly that evolution, from a mathematical and statistical point of view, makes no sense. I think that if it wasn't for the fact that it undermines belief in God, scientists would have laughed it out of existence long ago. The only way it makes statistical sense is if there was someone guiding and directing it. Creation itself is proof of God's existence.

This is a very sad story!! I could never harm a child in any way. But they are with Jesus now and this so called dad will pay dearly for what he's done to these kids.

Mom in Jenison wrote:

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There are still miracles. My twin sons in particular were healed of a hearing disability after we prayed with an elder at our church.
As far as there being no proof that God exists... I am a wildlife biologist. I spent eight years in at GVSU studying genetics, statistics, evolution, etc. Let me tell you frankly that evolution, from a mathematical and statistical point of view, makes no sense. I think that if it wasn't for the fact that it undermines belief in God, scientists would have laughed it out of existence long ago. The only way it makes statistical sense is if there was someone guiding and directing it. Creation itself is proof of God's existence.

So I guess missing cookies and half a glass of milk denotes Santa Claus exists? Your argument is a moot point. You consider creation in general proof of gods existence? Have you heard of Ida the Darwinius masillae fossil? I can't argue the point any more it's redundent. Every time I ask for proof of something about religion the only thing I get in return is "Look at that Flower! That's proof without a doubght god exists!" I will ask again. If nobody told you about god, would you beleive in god? You are breed through osmosis to inherintly be a slave. I hear of such things as you are gods creature and god is the all powerfull ruler and king. Sounds to me like slavery... you go and pray at a church and what does he give you? but a world full of hate, tyrany and disgust. If he was all powerfull. Why does he condone pain, suffering and hatered? Your god sounds alot to me like Hitler....

Confused this is directed to you but includes everyone else also. I am one of the hundreds of people that spent weeks searching the waters around Dauphin Island, you can believe in God or not you have a choice because that is the way my God designed it. I can tell you that as I searched I spent much time talking with my GOD trying to understand how this happen. I was there because I needed to be not because I wanted to be. We all searched hard but at the same time hoping that we found reason to believe they were alive and not find their tiny bodies. You say you are in the Army well my son is also and everyday I talk to my GOD asking that he be kept safe. As a member of our Armed Forces let me say thank you, as someone who does not believe let me say that when times are good we should say thank you, when they are bad we need to ask for guidance and I can tell you much of my guidance has come from my GOD. Soldiers like you make it ok for all of us to believe and to express our beliefs just think before you condemn someone else for their beliefs, isn't that what you are fighting for?

Their Luong gone now.

NBSSAR wrote:

Confused this is directed to you but includes everyone else also. I am one of the hundreds of people that spent weeks searching the waters around Dauphin Island, you can believe in God or not you have a choice because that is the way my God designed it. I can tell you that as I searched I spent much time talking with my GOD trying to understand how this happen. I was there because I needed to be not because I wanted to be. We all searched hard but at the same time hoping that we found reason to believe they were alive and not find their tiny bodies. You say you are in the Army well my son is also and everyday I talk to my GOD asking that he be kept safe. As a member of our Armed Forces let me say thank you, as someone who does not believe let me say that when times are good we should say thank you, when they are bad we need to ask for guidance and I can tell you much of my guidance has come from my GOD. Soldiers like you make it ok for all of us to believe and to express our beliefs just think before you condemn someone else for their beliefs, isn't that what you are fighting for?

NBSSAR,

Thank you for your appreciation it does mean alot. Thank you to you're son as well for his service. I do not condone people for their belife, However I do condon people for using their belife structure as a constant fall back crutch. Think of it this way. Religion is a handy tool when it comes to laying blame. The war in iraq? Mostly a battle over oil however at the same time these people are blowing up themselves along with innocent women and children in the name of their GOD. When natural disater happens we say it is GOD's wrath. When a child is murdered you all say well GOD needed another angel... I mean are you #@!$ kidding me? come on.

I fight for freedom.. and you can use freedom as an umbrella cure all for everything you enjoy. i.e. walking down the street without fear of being shot, religion, shopping at stores etc...

I don't fight for anything else but that. I do not beleive in god so I do not fight for him. I fight for your freedom to specificly beleive in whatever you like however in this same junction I have more then earned the right to not beleive. Do you see what I am saying?

Whats wrong with the crazy people these days?

You absolutely have the right to believe in what you want to or don't want to. It is your right as a human. And guess what, no one had to fight for that for you. It is just that way. I believe in the God of the scriptures and whether or not the country I live in says I have freedom to do that, I would anyway.
In Gods eyes all people are equal so it doesn't matter what country a person is fighting for he will not bless them. He doesn't back any of the wars in the world now. In fact anyone that reads the scriptures knows that God is not ruling the world today. The world reflects it's ruler's personality and so with the wars, murders, terrorism, violence, greed and all other heinous things in this world today, it is quite obvious who rules the world.
And as for people becoming angels, angels were created angels, people do not become angels when they die. Not all people that believe in God believe those illogical teachings.