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DeKleine guilty of killing wife

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Jul 15, 2008
 
Slidelock and Mabel Smith,

I wonder if it would help victims come forward if they knew there were other women he crossed the line with, and that they are not the only ones. Because doesn't John Roe's suspension expire this month?
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Very well stated, I couldn't agree with you more. Clearly, John Roe did NOT have Lori DeKleine's interest (mental or physical) in mind or anybody else's. Although, John is also married with children, he was purely thinking of his own selfish, sexual gratification. What a considerate husband and father, NOT..
**Additionally, As I stated on this forum previously, I personally know of John Roe's history with previous female clients and co-workers. At which time, I also left a posting on "The Holland Sentinel" forum stating the same as I left here. As, I felt individuals in the community had the right to know.
Only to have it removed from the site, along with an email from the media director warning me not to post it again.
Apparently, individuals in Holland are content to believe that John Roes reputation should somehow be kept private. I think its a shame that Lori DeKleine didn't receive that same respect..
Mabel Smith I personally know several victims of John Roe's "therapy" as well...this guy should NEVER get his license back...we need to talk.
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How about stronger protection for the abused, and stricter punishment (and possibly) therapy for the abuser. My brother-in-law got out of hand one night with a girlfriend, who was manipulative, and would push and push his buttons (we were all on the receiving end of her craziness). Before I go on, I am NOT saying that Lori was this way. He hit her one night, and he went to jail for the weekend. He went to manditory counseling, where he was able to deal with a lot of of issues and he is now a loving husband and father, with a different person. He was wrong, but I wonder what would happen if it was just overlooked? I guess we can all sit here and speculate, but the whole sitution is sad. A Mom, sister, daughter, etc. is gone, a once respectable man is a murderer sitting in jail, and the kids are without their parents. Both families are going through such turmoil, and everyone needs our prayers and support.
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Jul 15, 2008
 
He went to anger management classes as well--another lesson learned--Sadly, one has to do a lot of homework to find a reputable counselor. There are lots of good ones, but I guess you have to be careful.

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lets not be so childish as to put people down here for their spelling. My goll you people grow up and stick to the subject.
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Jul 15, 2008
 
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Jul 15, 2008
 
any idea how widely spread john roe was with his therapy? can anyone come forward and let me know...
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Jul 15, 2008
 
Anabelle wrote:
Slidelock and Mabel Smith,
I wonder if it would help victims come forward if they knew there were other women he crossed the line with, and that they are not the only ones. Because doesn't John Roe's suspension expire this month?
If there are indeed other victims who Roe had an inappropriate relationship while counseling, these women should come forward and make statements so re-instatement of his license is not an immediate consideration. If this is true, steps should be taken to bring this out in the open so that other women can be protected and safequarded in the future. I agree with you on this one.
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Anna wrote:
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If there are indeed other victims who Roe had an inappropriate relationship while counseling, these women should come forward and make statements so re-instatement of his license is not an immediate consideration. If this is true, steps should be taken to bring this out in the open so that other women can be protected and safequarded in the future. I agree with you on this one.
Exactly! The question is how do we help provide a safe and comfortable way for these women to come forward? As it stands now the allegation process seems to protect the perpetrator therapist. I am sure these women are humiliated and who would want their medical treatment records opened? This is an extremely sensitive matter of the mind, heart, body and spirit. I am determined to find a way to unite these women (I have a feeling there are many)...any suggestions?
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The best thing is - justice will be served over and over and over for the rest of his life.
Thoughts and prayers go out to Lori's family especially her children. RIP Lori!!!!!!
Ken won't be in the "general population" in prison. He will be in "protective custody" because he was a cop. So it is very unlikely anyone can get their hands on him EVER.
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Exactly! The question is how do we help provide a safe and comfortable way for these women to come forward? As it stands now the allegation process seems to protect the perpetrator therapist. I am sure these women are humiliated and who would want their medical treatment records opened? This is an extremely sensitive matter of the mind, heart, body and spirit. I am determined to find a way to unite these women (I have a feeling there are many)...any suggestions?
Perhaps, if some of these women could all get together and discuss what happened to them in a place which was a safe environment for them, it might be a first step in helping them resolve which other steps to take in the matter. Perhaps, someone who is more qualified with dealing with abusors, perpetrators and sexual offenders could advise or counsel what actions they should take in the future.
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Anabelle wrote:
Slidelock and Mabel Smith,
I wonder if it would help victims come forward if they knew there were other women he crossed the line with, and that they are not the only ones. Because doesn't John Roe's suspension expire this month?
According to reports in the Holland Sentinel and Grand Rapids Press (the only media outlets to publish Roe's name, as far as I know), Roe's suspensions were actually for six months AND A DAY.

The importance of this fact is that suspensions of longer than six months do not automatically allow reinstatement after the end of the term. Thus, he must re-apply if he wants to legally practice again.
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Hope wrote:
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Exactly! The question is how do we help provide a safe and comfortable way for these women to come forward? As it stands now the allegation process seems to protect the perpetrator therapist. I am sure these women are humiliated and who would want their medical treatment records opened? This is an extremely sensitive matter of the mind, heart, body and spirit. I am determined to find a way to unite these women (I have a feeling there are many)...any suggestions?
I agree, I would also like to help provide a safe and comfortable way for these women to come forward. Since the DeKleine story has come out, I have spoken with the two women/clients who I know, whose rights were violated by John Roe, their therapist. Unfortunately, neither are interested in coming forward. Both, said they just want to leave/put it in the past and "move on". I cannot say that I'm surprised, I also believe it is because the "allegation process seems to protect the perpetrator therapist."

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Anabelle wrote:
Slidelock and Mabel Smith,
I wonder if it would help victims come forward if they knew there were other women he crossed the line with, and that they are not the only ones. Because doesn't John Roe's suspension expire this month?
According to reports in the Holland Sentinel and Grand Rapids Press (the only media outlets that published Roe's name, as far as I know), Roe's actual suspensions were for terms of six months AND A DAY.

That's important because apparently, suspensions longer than six months do not automatically allow reinstatement at the end of the term. He must therefore re-apply if he wants to legally practice again.

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Jul 15, 2008
 
Ooops! Sorry for the double post.
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i went tohim for years...and sent many people tohim...he did not treat me in a sexual manner, yet I felt I had to leave him due to boundaries not being clear enough...i feel angry, sad, betrayed and worry about other people i sent his way..i do not want this to go on...
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MabelSmith wrote:
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I agree, I would also like to help provide a safe and comfortable way for these women to come forward. Since the DeKleine story has come out, I have spoken with the two women/clients who I know, whose rights were violated by John Roe, their therapist. Unfortunately, neither are interested in coming forward. Both, said they just want to leave/put it in the past and "move on". I cannot say that I'm surprised, I also believe it is because the "allegation process seems to protect the perpetrator therapist."
Yes. I had similar reactions from those I know. But maybe they could find strength if they came together to say ENOUGH. As far as I can tell this has been going on for years. No more women or their families should have to suffer. How can we get the word out to unite these women? A newspaper ad? A website? Flyers?
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concerned wrote:
i went tohim for years...and sent many people tohim...he did not treat me in a sexual manner, yet I felt I had to leave him due to boundaries not being clear enough...i feel angry, sad, betrayed and worry about other people i sent his way..i do not want this to go on...
YOU ARE NOT ALONE.
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Jul 15, 2008
 
i have no idea....could women in transition offer advice....i realize that there is not anyone that wnats to head this up, however, something needs to be done...are you in chicago, hope?
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Hope wrote:
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Yes. I had similar reactions from those I know. But maybe they could find strength if they came together to say ENOUGH. As far as I can tell this has been going on for years. No more women or their families should have to suffer. How can we get the word out to unite these women? A newspaper ad? A website? Flyers?
I believe its been an issue for years. I know for certain that it dates back to his days at "Behavioral Health at Holland Hospital", which has been about 7yrs (give or take). I agree the word needs to get out.
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