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“Taz say Hi”
Joined: Jan 6, 2008
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Holland,MI
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Hurley35 wrote: <quoted text>How about if we start by applying that standard to Companies that already sell cars here. Add to that a requirement for 100% domestic content. I remember reading some years ago about Ford running afoul of the CAFE requiremants. IIRC, Ford changed 5 parts in their big rear drive ("all-American") car, changing it's classification to "import" which put it in the "import" fleet with all the high mpg cars that they imported with the Ford name on them, putting them back in compliance. In this particular example I mentioned Ford, but all the "American" manufacturers are doing the same thing.
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“Taz say Hi”
Joined: Jan 6, 2008
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Holland,MI
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Interesting, Milwaukee, home of what may be the last of the truly American made vehicles. Also appears to be home to "whateva". LOL
Incidentally, there was a period in Harley's history where the company used many foreign made parts, considered by Harley fans to be the darkest period in the company's history. Many hard core Harley lovers, to this day, refuse to buy any Harleys made during that time as those parts led to many failures on the road.
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“Boy, that escalated quickly”
Joined: Mar 14, 2008
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Grand Rapids
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Milwaukee, WI
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Gentle Taz wrote: Interesting, Milwaukee, home of what may be the last of the truly American made vehicles. Also appears to be home to "whateva". LOL
Incidentally, there was a period in Harley's history where the company used many foreign made parts, considered by Harley fans to be the darkest period in the company's history. Many hard core Harley lovers, to this day, refuse to buy any Harleys made during that time as those parts led to many failures on the road. I live in GR Taz, My internet provider routes through Milwaulkee. I believe the Harleys you are refering to were the dark days when AMF owned them.
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“Just Here”
Joined: Jan 24, 2008
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Hudsonville
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Wyoming, MI
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Whuteva wrote: <quoted text>
I live in GR Taz, My internet provider routes through Milwaulkee.
I believe the Harleys you are refering to were the dark days when AMF owned them. Yup, those were the Dark AMF years. I had an AMF Harley. It was a POS...
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tom
Caledonia, MI
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Whuteva wrote: <quoted text>
You are attempting to compare Toyota to Chinese cars?
As far as Ford vs Toyota goes you cant be serious. Ford is asking the government to bail them out to stay afloat using my tax dollars. Toyota has $75 billion in the bank just for future technology. How do you think Toyota got so profitable? Selling junk cars like Ford does? americans built the auto industry, you are way off, I have had many fords, chevy's, etc. over the las 4o years, and they were great & dependable some going 300k miles. this industry has help to build this country economically also. early imports, with excptions, were junk, but now sadly they dominate the market here, and we are paying the price now and in the future. it's true that the unions caused a lot of it, but we're all gonna suffer for it. by the way, I'm not an autoworker
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“I can't belive you wrote that!”
Joined: Apr 12, 2008
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Lakeview, MI.
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Whuteva wrote: <quoted text>
Someone with the name Union All The Way is trying to explain the cost of vehicles? Funny. Its the unions that have killed the domestic automakers. LMAOLMAOLOLOLOL..you funny anti union.
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“I can't belive you wrote that!”
Joined: Apr 12, 2008
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Whuteva wrote: <quoted text>
The pension fund is only a fraction of Ford's problem. They have been mis-managed for 30 years. GM is even worse. You forgot to say it's the Union's fault..
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“I can't belive you wrote that!”
Joined: Apr 12, 2008
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Lakeview, MI.
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Gentle Taz wrote: <quoted text>
I wonder how Toyota's $75 billion in the bank compares to Ford's pension fund? They do not have that legacy cost at Toyota. Not yet......
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“I can't belive you wrote that!”
Joined: Apr 12, 2008
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Lakeview, MI.
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Whuteva wrote: <quoted text>
You are attempting to compare Toyota to Chinese cars?
As far as Ford vs Toyota goes you cant be serious. Ford is asking the government to bail them out to stay afloat using my tax dollars. Toyota has $75 billion in the bank just for future technology. How do you think Toyota got so profitable? Selling junk cars like Ford does? OMG...WhutevaWhutevaWhutevWhut evaa..lololol
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Joined: Jul 18, 2008
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Grand Rapids
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Gentle Taz wrote: Why is it that if I buy a GM (small) pickup, I have to pay for A/C(std. eqipt.) when all I want is basic transportation? Why do so many "American" made cars have power door locks and windows standard (which makes the car more expensive to buy)?
Window stickers make for some interesting reading sometimes as to the assembly plant location and domestic content of the vehicle. A US assembled vehicle containing 100% US content is a rarity, if not almost non existent. Maybe if I buy a Harley-Davidson motorcycle might fill that bill. The trouble is, that Harley is not practical during our Michigan winters. I understand that. I bought a Ford Focus in 1999 or 2000..i swear everything was standard on it even though i didnt want it...still cost a ton. Also the biggest POS i've ever owned. Got worse gas mileage than my Subaru Outback. In 1997 I bought a floor demo Honda Civic 8 miles on the odometer...it had ZERO things in it...including no radio...i paid 6k for it. Loved that car...had to get rid of it though since putting a car seat in and out a 2 door car sucks.
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“I can't belive you wrote that!”
Joined: Apr 12, 2008
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Lakeview, MI.
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Hurley35 wrote: <quoted text>How about if we start by applying that standard to Companies that already sell cars here. Well most do...MOST.How about if NO foreign owned car company can SELL or MAKE a car here??? Think our economy would be "better"?
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“Boy, that escalated quickly”
Joined: Mar 14, 2008
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Grand Rapids
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Union All The Way wrote: <quoted text>
Well most do...MOST.How about if NO foreign owned car company can SELL or MAKE a car here??? Think our economy would be "better"? You sound anti-free market and full of socialism. A Union guy saying he wants to take away auto producing jobs here in the US. Go figya!
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“I can't belive you wrote that!”
Joined: Apr 12, 2008
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Lakeview, MI.
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Whuteva wrote: <quoted text>
You sound anti-free market and full of socialism.
A Union guy saying he wants to take away auto producing jobs here in the US. Go figya! Key word...foreign..not big 3...not union.
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tom
Caledonia, MI
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Union All The Way wrote: <quoted text>
Key word...foreign..not big 3...not union. you're scared, or you should be, because of what the future holds for tier one UAW workers & wages, it is what it is, and guess what? You Lose.
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“I can't belive you wrote that!”
Joined: Apr 12, 2008
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Lakeview, MI.
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tom wrote: <quoted text> you're scared, or you should be, because of what the future holds for tier one UAW workers & wages, it is what it is, and guess what? You Lose. Hey Chucklehead...fyi been retired and have a business which leaves me comfortable enough for you to look in the mirror at the monkey.
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“Disgruntled ”
Joined: Apr 16, 2008
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Wyoming MI
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Kinda sad how the unions end up getting all the blame here but oh well gotta blame someone.
Did you see where VICE GRIPS are going to be made in China now. Last I heard they were not union made. Just good ole made in the USA until now.
Made and invented in Ark, I believe. Ta Ta Vice Grips
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“I can't belive you wrote that!”
Joined: Apr 12, 2008
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Lakeview, MI.
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turdface wrote: Kinda sad how the unions end up getting all the blame here but oh well gotta blame someone.
Did you see where VICE GRIPS are going to be made in China now. Last I heard they were not union made. Just good ole made in the USA until now.
Made and invented in Ark, I believe. Ta Ta Vice Grips Union to blame kinda old since they took it up the wazoo giving up lots of bennies and wages for the next generation. Called Gook Gripes now. hehehe
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“Just Here”
Joined: Jan 24, 2008
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Hudsonville
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turdface wrote: Kinda sad how the unions end up getting all the blame here but oh well gotta blame someone.
Did you see where VICE GRIPS are going to be made in China now. Last I heard they were not union made. Just good ole made in the USA until now.
Made and invented in Ark, I believe. Ta Ta Vice Grips Great! I'd better go buy a life-time supply for myself. The last thing I want in my tool box is Vise-Grips that are made in China!.
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“I can't belive you wrote that!”
Joined: Apr 12, 2008
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Lakeview, MI.
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Hurley35 wrote: <quoted text>Great! I'd better go buy a life-time supply for myself. The last thing I want in my tool box is Vise-Grips that are made in China!. Life time supply? 2.
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oh snap
Okemos, MI
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Do you realize how many Chinese products you already buy/own? Ever shop at a Walmart? 90% Chinese imports. You want cheap crap? It has to come from somewhere other than the USA.
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