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Red_Fist wrote: <quoted text>
McCain will use the axe and not the scalpel, if you really want change for the better. McCain hasn't even used a scalpel in the last ten years, let alone use an axe; so what makes you think he would now? Quite frankly, I think he looks tired out; I think the past years of his voting record shows that. He doesn't have that "maverick" instinct anymore; it's all talk to just get elected; his voting record PROVES THAT! He's an "angry old man" who doesn't like to lose, no matter what the game is. That anger he is carrying around every day ISN'T doing his health any good, either, so that's another HUGE THING TO THINK ABOUT!
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“Taz say Hi”
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The very format of the debate necessitated the statements of "I know how to do that" because there was not time to explain how. That said, I can see the vultures starting to descend on the 700 billion dollars, very similar to how they descended on the money involved in New Orleans. If nothing else, the bailout was a big mistake because it is just too massive for anyone in charge to fully control and defend against the vultures.
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“Why so serious?”
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Why was John McCain wondering the stage while President Obama was talking? I thought that was kinda kooky. God bless the old man.
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Morris E Smith wrote: Why was John McCain wondering the stage while President Obama was talking? I thought that was kinda kooky. God bless the old man. I was wondering the same thing. He seemed like he was having problems breathing, forcing himself to speak. I was waiting for him to fall over from passing out or a heart attack. He did not look good to me.
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“Why so serious?”
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krtnews wrote: <quoted text>
I was wondering the same thing. He seemed like he was having problems breathing, forcing himself to speak. I was waiting for him to fall over from passing out or a heart attack. He did not look good to me. I think McCain was just trying to deflect attention away from President Obama, and put it on himself. It was rather inconsiderate, but I guess McCain needs all the attention he can get at this point.
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Alvin wrote: <quoted text>No, but they had the Supreme Court, woops, was that Bush running to government again to bail him out. You had better study up on your history as it was Algore who took the issue to the SC. Funny thing was, the more Algore pushed for looser standards regarding undervotes and overvotes, the bigger the Bush lead got. Algore would have done better to keep his mouth shut.
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Bob
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Morris E Smith wrote: Why was John McCain wondering the stage while President Obama was talking? I thought that was kinda kooky. God bless the old man. I think it was Algore or John Kerry who did the same thing during a debate with President Bush. Yeah, it’s kinda weird…..maybe an attempt to distract or intimidate?
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Morris E Smith wrote: <quoted text>I think McCain was just trying to deflect attention away from President Obama, and put it on himself.
It was rather inconsiderate, but I guess McCain needs all the attention he can get at this point. I dunno - he looked a little gray to me, too.
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“Why so serious?”
Joined: Aug 6, 2008
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Bob and Lucy, I have a lot of respect for John McCain. Or at least I used to. He just seemed agitated and defensive last night. Does John McCain himself realize that he's running out of time?
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Hurley35 wrote: <quoted text>My vote was not a "protest" vote, it was an honest vote for a candidate that I can believe in and support and whose platform I agree with. I'm sick and tired of the trash the two party system throws at the voters every election and voting against a candidate instead of for a candidate. Both Parties are so corrupted with lobbyist and special interest money that I believe they are no longer answering to the people. I mean, can you truly say their is a really large difference between Republican's and Democrats except perhaps on some social issues? I don't think even a Democrat could have come up with this whole bailout plan that Bush proposed and was able to scare enough people into getting it passed. I want my country back, I want my elected officials to answer to me and I want this once great nation to return to it's founding documents, The Declaration of Independence, The Constitution, The Bill of Rights, The Federalist Papers etc. I just will not personally and I know many other people as well, who will simply not support either party any more. Perhaps we are small in numbers as of now, but I believe we will grow and the country continues to unravel. As far as incumbents, voting them out is necessary and if their replacement does a lousy job, then vote them out as well. I didn't say it would be easy, or would have an impact over-night, only that it is necessary. There was a very nice thread discussing the 3rd party issue that discussed some of these same concerns. http://www.topix.net/forum/source/wood/TV3S5F... Hurley, I may have to write you in... Hurley '08!! I share your concern and anger. I'm surprised I still have hair left on my head; it seems I've been ripping it out more than usual lately...
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Businessminded
Grand Rapids, MI
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Hurley35 wrote: <quoted text>My vote was not a "protest" vote, it was an honest vote for a candidate that I can believe in and support and whose platform I agree with. I'm sick and tired of the trash the two party system throws at the voters every election and voting against a candidate instead of for a candidate. Both Parties are so corrupted with lobbyist and special interest money that I believe they are no longer answering to the people. I mean, can you truly say their is a really large difference between Republican's and Democrats except perhaps on some social issues? I don't think even a Democrat could have come up with this whole bailout plan that Bush proposed and was able to scare enough people into getting it passed. I want my country back, I want my elected officials to answer to me and I want this once great nation to return to it's founding documents, The Declaration of Independence, The Constitution, The Bill of Rights, The Federalist Papers etc. I just will not personally and I know many other people as well, who will simply not support either party any more. Perhaps we are small in numbers as of now, but I believe we will grow and the country continues to unravel. As far as incumbents, voting them out is necessary and if their replacement does a lousy job, then vote them out as well. I didn't say it would be easy, or would have an impact over-night, only that it is necessary. There was a very nice thread discussing the 3rd party issue that discussed some of these same concerns. http://www.topix.net/forum/source/wood/TV3S5F... Thanks for your reply. I appreciate your passion and I don't have the answers but I don't think the answer is voting 3rd party. I think the first step is waking American's UP and keeping them involved. Again, how? I have no idea. How do you get people to truly care. I think most are hypocrits - whining crying until an election year. For me, knowing Perot had no chance after all the $ he had and spent and got NO electoral votes, it made me realize that it's gonna take one heck of a canidate and miracle for it to happen. 3rd parties have been around since the beginning and still nobody has got in. For me, I guess I find that like most things, balance is a good thing. Democrats & Republicans represent the extreme of both sides and the Moderates often are the deciding votes. The key is getting the Congress to work together and stop the corruption. That's my opinion. I'd start with that bill to stop all Pork Spending. To ME, that could change the political game since you'd start to make any lobbiest VERY transparent and thus stop the strong-hold both parties have. In the meantime, I'm going with the best choice of the 2 - to do otherwise simply gives Obama the win and that's how Clinton won the first time. That's my 2 cents. Thanks again for sharing.
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Bob
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Bob wrote: <quoted text>
You had better study up on your history as it was Algore who took the issue to the SC. Funny thing was, the more Algore pushed for looser standards regarding undervotes and overvotes, the bigger the Bush lead got. Algore would have done better to keep his mouth shut. My bad....I meant to say Florida SC.
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boring debate.
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What about McCains $300B plan for the homes in foreclosure and homes that are now worth less than the homeownwers owe? Does this mean that those of us who pay our bills on time will get a bail out too? 35% of the loans that are in default belong to illegal immigrants. If they get 5% loans then the rest of us should be able to refinance at 5%. More GOP Socialism paid for by the middle class.
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“Just Here”
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Give it a rest2 wrote: <quoted text>
Hurley, I may have to write you in... Hurley '08!!
I share your concern and anger. I'm surprised I still have hair left on my head; it seems I've been ripping it out more than usual lately... I'm not available LOL. There isn't any amount of money that could convince me to take that job. I don't think I'm angry, more concerned for my children's and grandchildren's future and also fed up with the status-quo. Actually since making my decision to vote for Baldwin I've been very much at peace. I know for me I made the right choice and rather than actually having to pay attention to all the two-party rhetoric, I can sit back and laugh at them making fools of themselves.
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Hurley35 wrote: <quoted text>I'm not available LOL. There isn't any amount of money that could convince me to take that job. I don't think I'm angry, more concerned for my children's and grandchildren's future and also fed up with the status-quo. Actually since making my decision to vote for Baldwin I've been very much at peace. I know for me I made the right choice and rather than actually having to pay attention to all the two-party rhetoric, I can sit back and laugh at them making fools of themselves. Yeah, I don't envy the next president one bit. I have a theory that given our current econmic situation, the next president is doomed to go down in history as being ineffective. Our situation isn't one that I feel can be turned around in 4 years. I also feel a sense of peace in finding a candidate I am proud to back. The only thing that still irks me is the media's refusal to give equal time and mention of ALL the candidates. Even though I've already decided on my candidate, I still want to know what the others are saying. I want to be informed on all levels, and it'd be great if an unbiased media actually existed...
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Batch 37 Pain Is Good
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Alvin wrote: <quoted text>No, but they had the Supreme Court, woops, was that Bush running to government again to bail him out. And the court was made up of moderate and liberal judges.
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“I'm just sayin”
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Satchmo wrote: <quoted text>
Who's denying kids access to healthcare? No one that I've heard. Everyone in this country has healthcare. Unfortunately... no, not everyone in the country has healthcare. That's the harsh reality of it all and that is why the healthcare topic is always a part of the presidential elections. If I were to lose my job, which thank goodness I have great health insurance provided for me and my kids through, it would cost me on my own over $600 a month to buy my health insurance on my own. I wouldn't be able to do that and not everyone qualifies for state or federal funded healthcare programs if they are unemployed. Now, take a look at the unemployment rates, homeless rates, and poverty levels in the United States and then tell me that "everyone in this country has healthcare". The fact is.. no, they don't.
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“I'm just sayin”
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oops... must have hit submit twice, sorry!:)
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Alvin
Grand Rapids, MI
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Batch 37 Pain Is Good wrote: <quoted text>And the court was made up of moderate and liberal judges. I found this interesting, you might too. http://www.iknowwhatyoudidlastelection.com/bu...
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