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DeKleine sentenced to life in prison

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DRT2322

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#42
Aug 26, 2008
 
I have been cheated on. I caught my soon to be ex-husband on three different occassions, all with different women - twice in our bed. I agree that she should have been more civilized, but both were nasty to each other throughout the divorce. All I'm saying is that she didn't deserve to die. Like I said, many people are cheated on every day. It hurts, but it doesn't give you a right to murder someone. If he was that close to the edge, it was his responsibility to seek help. And no one cares to talk about the fact that he left her for his children to find. Did she push him towards that? Don't think so. This didn't necessitate murder. And there is no excuse it.
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<quoted text> She is the one and only one that pushed him over the edge with her actions - all her actions! So yes, should she have been more civilized - this outcome may have been totally different. Should at least try to be friends after a divorce for the kids - be civil - not have affairs to shove in your spouse's face!! Ever been cheated on? If not, then you don't know the pain - but Ken found out the pain.
DRT2322

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#43
Aug 26, 2008
 
If it was that he snapped, he would show remorse. Saying that he sleeps better now that he killed her - that's not someone who snapped. If he snapped, he wouldn't have planned it like he did. People who snap do it in the heat of passion. This had a lot of thought put into it.
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Clearly - he snapped!!! He loved his children and that was a big part of the problem (with her new lifestyle)
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#44
Aug 26, 2008
 
Remember the cop who killed his wife the Judge. Her lifestyle, her greed (take him for all he is worth attitude) got her killed to. So you women keep pushing the men and watch out for the consequences. I have seen too many men get screwed by lazy, greedy, selfish woman. I knew this cop and she pushed and pushed and pushed - till he snapped!
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Aug 26, 2008
 
DRT2322 wrote:
If it was that he snapped, he would show remorse. Saying that he sleeps better now that he killed her - that's not someone who snapped. If he snapped, he wouldn't have planned it like he did. People who snap do it in the heat of passion. This had a lot of thought put into it.
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Oh I suppose you work in mental health now - not - but I do. No emotions should tell ya something - good grief!!
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#46
Aug 26, 2008
 
So what does that show his children. That instead of learning how to deal with it with dignity you just snap and kill someone and leave them for your children to find. Just because she was acting a certain way doesn't constitue him murdering her. I bet you also say that women that dress a certain way deserve to get assaulted.
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Remember the cop who killed his wife the Judge. Her lifestyle, her greed (take him for all he is worth attitude) got her killed to. So you women keep pushing the men and watch out for the consequences. I have seen too many men get screwed by lazy, greedy, selfish woman. I knew this cop and she pushed and pushed and pushed - till he snapped!
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Aug 26, 2008
 

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I have been cheated on. I caught my soon to be ex-husband on three different occassions, all with different women - twice in our bed. I agree that she should have been more civilized, but both were nasty to each other throughout the divorce. All I'm saying is that she didn't deserve to die. Like I said, many people are cheated on every day. It hurts, but it doesn't give you a right to murder someone. If he was that close to the edge, it was his responsibility to seek help. And no one cares to talk about the fact that he left her for his children to find. Did she push him towards that? Don't think so. This didn't necessitate murder. And there is no excuse it.
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Three different occasions with different women. Sounds like you need help - should have left after the first one - have some dignity girl!!
DRT2322

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#48
Aug 26, 2008
 
And I knew her, and it wasn't deserved. Any reasonable human being knows it too. Having someone cheat on you, or say bad things about you, that doesn't mean you get to kill them. The cop who killed his wife the judge is just as bad. He didn't snap, and you know it. He planned this. I don't care if she was cheating, or wanted all of the money - it doesn't mean that she deserved to be killed. My ex-husband cheated, stole my paycheck right out of my purse, bought his girlfriend some nice things from Victoria's Secret with my credit card, but I didn't and wouldn't kill him. He is a cold blooded killer, bottom line. It was premeditated. Again - people who snap don't plan the crimes they commit.
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Remember the cop who killed his wife the Judge. Her lifestyle, her greed (take him for all he is worth attitude) got her killed to. So you women keep pushing the men and watch out for the consequences. I have seen too many men get screwed by lazy, greedy, selfish woman. I knew this cop and she pushed and pushed and pushed - till he snapped!
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#49
Aug 26, 2008
 
Hence soon to be ex-husband. You asked if I knew how it felt to be cheated on - I answered. You don't need to attack me personally. Apparently you haven't been in that situation, because you try to keep your family together.
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Three different occasions with different women. Sounds like you need help - should have left after the first one - have some dignity girl!!
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Aug 26, 2008
 
DRT2322 wrote:
And I knew her, and it wasn't deserved. Any reasonable human being knows it too. Having someone cheat on you, or say bad things about you, that doesn't mean you get to kill them. The cop who killed his wife the judge is just as bad. He didn't snap, and you know it. He planned this. I don't care if she was cheating, or wanted all of the money - it doesn't mean that she deserved to be killed. My ex-husband cheated, stole my paycheck right out of my purse, bought his girlfriend some nice things from Victoria's Secret with my credit card, but I didn't and wouldn't kill him. He is a cold blooded killer, bottom line. It was premeditated. Again - people who snap don't plan the crimes they commit.
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If you knew her then you know all the sordid details of her lifestyle (I know more than I care to know actually )and yes he did snap meeting with his lawyer, going to a couple bars and finally not being to take anymore of her crap, greed, etc - it was not premeditated - he left the bar, went to the courthouse and that is all she wrote. Had she been civil she would be alive. Not to mention the greed - she made good money - but she wanted all his and then some.
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Aug 26, 2008
 
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So what does that show his children. That instead of learning how to deal with it with dignity you just snap and kill someone and leave them for your children to find. Just because she was acting a certain way doesn't constitue him murdering her. I bet you also say that women that dress a certain way deserve to get assaulted.
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only if they are hooking for a living and that is there choice and a good chance of being assaulted in that choosen profession!
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#52
Aug 26, 2008
 
And dignity would be what - killing him like your buddy did to his wife? I think not. I tried to keep my family together, it didn't work, lesson learned. No one died from it, though.
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Hence soon to be ex-husband. You asked if I knew how it felt to be cheated on - I answered. You don't need to attack me personally. Apparently you haven't been in that situation, because you try to keep your family together.
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Yeah I was there once and that was plenty. Keeping your family together in that atmosphere - right!! Good one!! Not attacking - just common sense. Once should have been enough for any woman.
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#54
Aug 26, 2008
 
Once is enough, but you also want to trust. And it wasn't over several years - it was in quick succession, so it ended. First marriage, high school sweetheart, not easy to walk away. But my decision, and it was a lesson learned. Some take it for longer than others, although definitely wouldn't happen that way next time! But it looks like we're really good at arguing about anything we discuss. I don't think the DeKleine situation was right, you think she pushed him.(Probably because each knows one side better than the other.) You got rid of them after cheating once, I didn't. Agree to disagree? I feel like we're beating a dead horse and going in circles. Have a good one!
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<quoted text>Yeah I was there once and that was plenty. Keeping your family together in that atmosphere - right!! Good one!! Not attacking - just common sense. Once should have been enough for any woman.
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Aug 26, 2008
 
DRT2322 wrote:
Once is enough, but you also want to trust. And it wasn't over several years - it was in quick succession, so it ended. First marriage, high school sweetheart, not easy to walk away. But my decision, and it was a lesson learned. Some take it for longer than others, although definitely wouldn't happen that way next time! But it looks like we're really good at arguing about anything we discuss. I don't think the DeKleine situation was right, you think she pushed him.(Probably because each knows one side better than the other.) You got rid of them after cheating once, I didn't. Agree to disagree? I feel like we're beating a dead horse and going in circles. Have a good one! <quoted text>
Yup that's why everyone has their own opinion. Well you have a good day to and call you ex to be a scum bag for me!! Hope you bounce back.

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#56
Aug 26, 2008
 
Not that it should matter, but Lori wasn't the only one having an affair.

Ken was carrying on a sexual relationship of his own. His lover actually testified for the prosecution during the trial.

Ken does not hold any kind of moral high ground in this issue... And he certainly had no justifiable reason for killing her.

I've been cheated on by girlfriends more times than I can easily remember. But I've never had the urge to do physical harm to the woman I was dating. I just left the relationship.... In time, the anger passed.

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Aug 26, 2008
 
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Clearly - he snapped!!! He loved his children and that was a big part of the problem (with her new lifestyle)
If that is love......

He did not love his children...are you blind?

If he loved his kids, he would NOT have KILLED their mother and then left her there to be found by them(one of them)!

That is not love.

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#58
Aug 26, 2008
 
SUE:

Pushing and pushing, being 'greedy', cheating on someone....those are not grounds for murder.

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Aug 26, 2008
 
Sue wrote:
<quoted text> She is the one and only one that pushed him over the edge with her actions - all her actions! So yes, should she have been more civilized - this outcome may have been totally different. Should at least try to be friends after a divorce for the kids - be civil - not have affairs to shove in your spouse's face!! Ever been cheated on? If not, then you don't know the pain - but Ken found out the pain.
Wrong.

HE pushed himself over the edge.
HE killed her.
HE took his children's mother away.
HE did this to himself.

Now HE gets to ROT in prison.
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#60
Aug 26, 2008
 
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I disagree....perhaps if the justice system were a little less biased instead of always feeling sorry for the woman, this never would have happened. Perhaps Ken felt it was a better option, after his wife took out a PPO,likely tried to turn his kids against him, and was busy screwing her therapist, more than likely in HIS house...read the WHOLE STORY BEFORE you pass judgement..while what he did was wrong, it certainly doesn't warrant the death penalty....save that for the idiots in the jewelry store robbery in Grand Haven.<quoted text>
AMEN!! tHIS IS EXACTLY WHAT HAPPENED AND FOR THOSE WHO JUDGE AND WANT THE DEATH PENALTY, I HOPE YOUR FAMILY MEMBER NEVER DOES ANYTHING WRONG LIKE THIS. YOU MAY BE EATING YOUR WORDS!!!
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#61
Aug 26, 2008
 
Open your eyes....obviously you aren't familiar with Michigan's legal system...its her word against his. All she has to do is SAY he did something,thats all it unfortunately takes here to ruin someone's life...As Sue stated, had she handled this differently, the outcome likely would have been different.Again, what he did was not right, but when he felt he had nothing to lose, perhaps he felt spending life locked up was the better option. Don't blame the HPD....remember, only Ken knows what really happened, not you or I...
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Never once did I say that she was a saint. I'm sure that she did things that shouldn't have been done throughout their messy divorce, as did Ken. But it's completely ignorant to post a comment saying that she asked for it. No one deserves to be murdered. You're forgetting some pretty awful things about the situation as well - like that he left her for his children to find. Great parenting right there. He may have been punished, but not as he should have. He ended her life - forever changing the lifes of her children, family, and those who knew her. He still has his, and we all get to pay for it out of our checks. The worst part about it, is there is no remorse. And as for wrong ends of accusations, you have to have police reports to file a PPO. Sounds like there was something substantial to back up her need for protection.(Clearly - if he killed her.)And this isn't a fairytale world. Things like this happen, but it doesn't make them right. He is a murderer, bottom line. She may have said things about him that weren't true, as he did about her. That doesn't mean that she deserved to die. So go on and continue to defend someone who admitted to stealing the life of another, scarred his children by leaving her for them to find, and then shows no remorse whatsoever, and even claims to sleep better now that he killed her.
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