Granholm visits GR to 'Save a Dream'

Batch 37 Pain is Good wrote:

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Generally, I do not believe the posters you are writing about are applying their opinions about people like you. Some people just have bad luck from time to time. Fight through it and you will have fond memories of the struggle. I can only speak for myself, that I have too struggled on and off for years especially in the 90's. New England had a real estate crash and everyone lost money. Same as today here in Michigan. I moved back and had to start all over with wife and kids. You will make it if you keep at it. Don't give up and don't wait for the govt. to help. It is a waste of precious time. Good Luck and keep at it.

Oh, trust me, we aren't even close to hoping for or waiting for help from the government.

If we did that, the seven of us would be on the streets faster than we'd get help.

No, the only way we can pull ourselves out of this is using our own muscles.

If she wants to 'Save the dream' she needs to leave office!

Don't assume anything like that because it just ain't necessarily so, partner.

whasever wrote:

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based on what?
oh i forgot U said so
well put
friggin' moonbat
Oh don't know what hat means
I'm not surprised based on well thought out response
friggin' moonbat

stop smoking crack and get a job

More style over substance from a failure as a governor! The best way to help homeowners keep their homes is for this governor, and useless state government, to enact pro- growth business regulations (for a change) and actually move Michigan out of the recession we have been wallowing in for her entire tenure as governor.

Rick wrote:

<quoted text> "Tricky **** DeVoss couldn't have done any better!!!!"

no?

""The new loans will require that the homeowner pay the entire cost. The state is not taking over the loans, but guaranteeing them through the sale of bonds through MSHDA""

It all makes sense to me . There have been over 1 million jobs lost in this State , high paying jobs at that . The people that have not lost their houses yet because of having to get a lower paying job now have a chance , plus its NOT a give away , THEY STILL HAVE TO PAY IT BACK .
Tax money ? Didn't anyone read that this is being funded through the sales of Bonds ?

Integrity 1st

GR_Mom_of_Five wrote:

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Oh, trust me, we aren't even close to hoping for or waiting for help from the government.
If we did that, the seven of us would be on the streets faster than we'd get help.
No, the only way we can pull ourselves out of this is using our own muscles.

You're a fine American family.

Ya GR_Mom_of Five you are a fine American family. Just like the woman GWB introduced on his campaign trail as a fine American because she was working three jobs just to try and make ends meet and still wasn't really getting there.

No slam on you GR_Mom. There's just something sick with people that think it's a great American who's having to work their every waking hour to get nowhere while the family suffers for lack of parents being around and real needs being met. We have become a VERY sick nation to believe hard work is what matters even when it produces nothing of significance.

Just ask any rich person if they would continue to do something that didn't produce what they needed it to.

Seenitbefore wrote:

Ya GR_Mom_of Five you are a fine American family. Just like the woman GWB introduced on his campaign trail as a fine American because she was working three jobs just to try and make ends meet and still wasn't really getting there.
No slam on you GR_Mom. There's just something sick with people that think it's a great American who's having to work their every waking hour to get nowhere while the family suffers for lack of parents being around and real needs being met. We have become a VERY sick nation to believe hard work is what matters even when it produces nothing of significance.
Just ask any rich person if they would continue to do something that didn't produce what they needed it to.

You are wrong. Instead of making everyone out to be victims, try looking at the success of people who make the right decisions and work hard toward an objective to succeed. Working they way you describe is not part of the winning formula. You must be affluent as you have some kind of quilt for being successful. It's call affluenza.

katie wrote:

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not all of these people have 'over extended' themselves. how about a family friend who is losing their house because they have lost their job?

This program that she signed will help people refinance. I'm afraid it won't help someone who has lost his job.

Incidentally, I lost my job in the mid '80s. It took almost a year to get a job delivering newspapers which I did for 11 months before I finally got another decent job which paid about $3/hr. less than I was earning. I didn't lose my house because my wife kept working and we had planned ahead for just such a situation. Thing were getting close by the time I got back to work on a "real" job, but we made it by planning ahead and avoiding other debt.

Really? By raising the Taxes like they did on those of us still working? Raising our Property Taxes while our home valoes decrease? What a crock of ****! These Democrats have to go, they are crooks !

Mad Taxpayer wrote:

Really? By raising the Taxes like they did on those of us still working? Raising our Property Taxes while our home valoes decrease? What a crock of ****! These Democrats have to go, they are crooks !

In some circles, the increase of the income tax would not be considered a real increase as it was not even all the way to a previous level.
As for the property tax increasing while the value of your property decreased, do a little research on the Headley Amendment, also often referred to as Proposal A. The Headley Amendment has limited increases in your property tax to the rate of inflation for as long as you have owned your home. Until your taxable value has risen to match your assessed value, your property tax will continue to increase. Blame the people who voted for Proposal A.

BATCH 37,
YOU ARE WRONG...
You are wrong on a level you cannot even begin to appreciate it.
When I was little, we were poor. But I did not know I was poor. My home was squeaky clean, my clothes were hand-me-downs, but they fit okay, I guess. There was rich, delicious food and I was a very happy child.
My dad went to work every day at a job he hated most days because he needed to "provide" for his family.
My brother, now deceased, was an epileptic and my dad used to sob like a child because he could not pay the pharmacy bill for my brother's medicine.
He took a job driving a hack after supper just to make that extra money. My mother took in people's laundry (back when you could do that sort of thing) and she ironed people's shirts just for some pin money.
Then my mother decided she wanted to be a nurse and she went and got her license way back in 1970, she was 26 and had three kids at home, the eldest one with special needs.
She reasoned that she wanted a better life for her family and since my father was holdin gup his end, she would go hold up hers, too.
She went to work in a doctor's office, but soon, she went to work at a local factory as an occupational health nurse. For a long time after that, I did not see much of her. comapred to my dad and her doctor's office job, she made mad cash at the factory.
Because of this, my big sister raised me like I was her own. Absent a mother, for all intents and purposes, I was.
During this time, we moved into a nice big house, in a great neighborhood and we had a lot of toys, bicycles, clothes. My mother made maybe twice as much as my dad and WE SPENT IT.
All the while, my mother slowly disappeared form my day-to-day life. I remember seeing her, from one day to the next, for months on end as a lump under the blankets in her room while she slept after working her third shift job. it was literally years before she got to work normal shifts.
I remember that it made me sad, most of all.
I am not saying this to you to evoke pity from you, for I know you have little and I do not want or need it anyway.
I am writing this because I agree with all my heart with the gist of what seenitbefore wrote: we are all like rats in a maze, and there are way more important things than the pusuit of wealth and material things.
I am grateful to my parents for what they did.
They gave me new clothes, new shoes and I had one of the first Sony Walkman TPS L2 cassette players of the early 1980's.
When I was a kid, I played football. One day, I got knocked out at a game. My mom told my dad to buy me "the best equipment money can buy" or, in her words, "he will never play another game of football again."
The next day, my dad took me to the local sporting goods store and bought me about $200 worth of stuff; three new pairs of cleats, shoulder pads, a neck brace, forearm, elbow and hand pads. he also bought me a brand new helmet. Because I was bigger, I needed the college helmet, not the little league Riddell Pac44, I got the Pac3.

In short, I was a rich kid.
But I missed my mom. I missed my dad. I was raised by my sister who did the best she could, but she had to take care of my brother, too...and make up for my mom's absence.
When I was in it, I knew something was wrong, but my material needs were met, there was nothing to really cry about, was there?
Until now. Now that I am 42, a combat veteran and have buried my murdered brother, and have been through a whole lot of Hell these past 5 years, I see things a lot more clearer.
I see now that my parents really did think that by getting all this stuff, they were achieving the american Dream, but now, it is a nightmare for me.
In order to have had my parents around, I would have settled for less, not played football a smuch...been less demanding...
I did not need that big a home, or that many toys. I did not need all that...stuff. A hug from my mom would have been much better; the memory would have lasted longer.
In my own child, I see what my ex-wife's pursuit of a career and money has done. My ex works third shift, no one home to make her go to bed, no one there to make breakfast, no one there to help with the homework.
But because I do not have a job, I am here. I have a home. I have food, clothing and shelter and I am the only one who has been to a parent teacher conference in the past 2 years and I am the one who cooks all the time, makes sure she gets her homework done and all of the thing I should be doing.
Except pay money...the year before last, I had our kid 187 overnights, but I had no relief...
On Friday, I go to court to get custody of our kid. though I have done all I can for our daughter, been there in every way possible, because I have no money, I am going to get mauled by ex's high profile lawyer.
Tell me, as our daughter slipped through the cracks and became more angry and unable to progress well at school, was my ex's endless and mindless pursuit of money worth it?

I do not think it was.

TheKaisho42 wrote:

In short, I was a rich kid.
But I missed my mom. I missed my dad. I was raised by my sister who did the best she could, but she had to take care of my brother, too...and make up for my mom's absence.
When I was in it, I knew something was wrong, but my material needs were met, there was nothing to really cry about, was there?
Until now. Now that I am 42, a combat veteran and have buried my murdered brother, and have been through a whole lot of Hell these past 5 years, I see things a lot more clearer.
I see now that my parents really did think that by getting all this stuff, they were achieving the american Dream, but now, it is a nightmare for me.
In order to have had my parents around, I would have settled for less, not played football a smuch...been less demanding...
I did not need that big a home, or that many toys. I did not need all that...stuff. A hug from my mom would have been much better; the memory would have lasted longer.
In my own child, I see what my ex-wife's pursuit of a career and money has done. My ex works third shift, no one home to make her go to bed, no one there to make breakfast, no one there to help with the homework.
But because I do not have a job, I am here. I have a home. I have food, clothing and shelter and I am the only one who has been to a parent teacher conference in the past 2 years and I am the one who cooks all the time, makes sure she gets her homework done and all of the thing I should be doing.
Except pay money...the year before last, I had our kid 187 overnights, but I had no relief...
On Friday, I go to court to get custody of our kid. though I have done all I can for our daughter, been there in every way possible, because I have no money, I am going to get mauled by ex's high profile lawyer.
Tell me, as our daughter slipped through the cracks and became more angry and unable to progress well at school, was my ex's endless and mindless pursuit of money worth it?

I never ever said that making money and having financial security made you successful. It's about knowing who you are and where you came from and the legacy you leave behind that success and happiness comes from. Progressives always get this point wrong.

I am not a Progressive...

I am a father. I am a house husband. I have seen death on a scale few here can truly imagine, not on some CNN newscast or in a video game, but right up all close and personal.

After that, the endless pursuit of wealth, security and whatever passes as the latest fad seems pretty damn inane, don't ya' think?

Priorities...priorities...

Funny, after all my parents hard work and effort, they will leave the earth mostly broke, with the trappings they have possessed a lifetime picked over by the buzzards from the people that they lost their wrongful death suit.

Their legacy will be gone.

The TIME I spent with my kid, she will never forget...the car drives, the bookstore...homework..slumber parties...all of that...that will be legacy enough...

But my real legacy is her and whatever success she makes of her life; the people she touches, loves and helps... After I am gone, she will be the only REAL evidence I was ever here.

How is owning a large home, a BMW and a big 401K going to beat that?



Will the legacy I leave behind

I think that no should have, as TS Eliot wrote, "..measured out my life with coffee spoons."

But, if a life can be truly measured, than its measure should never be in the amount of things accumulated or their quality...

What should be measured is not what they did, but how much others miss them. And how those people most affected by their loss, remember them...and try to emulate the GOOD qualited they once possessed.

That is a true legacy, my friend...

Mad Taxpayer wrote:

Really? By raising the Taxes like they did on those of us still working? Raising our Property Taxes while our home valoes decrease? What a crock of ****! These Democrats have to go, they are crooks !

Sure, because Engler was a genius, right?